Why George Bush is Insane

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Oh Oh!!! Then you better NOT watch FOX news!!!

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Originally posted by Bamafnatk:
I would luve for GWB & all in Washington DC on the Hill, to take the same test as the ones at our Nuclear Pamts have to take before being hired, the 500 quesstions test , one or two are "Did you love your mother ? " -- "Can you tell the Truth ? " -- " Do you hear voices ? " hmmmmmmmm may not be many of the leaches left to suck us down deeper.

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Originally posted by NashBama:

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Oh Oh!!! Then you better NOT watch FOX news!!!

Fox news isn't as biased as ICH. Alan Colmes, a liberal, works for them as do other liberals. Yes, it leans a little republican, but CNN leans a little democrat. I watch both channels. However, both CNN and Fox attempt to report honestly and are actual news organizations. Sites like ICH and capitol hill blue do not and should be disregarded when it comes to news. Those sites are simply opinions, not necessarily facts.

The truth is neither on the left nor the right, it's somewhere in the middle. You should not rely on one site or channel to get your information, you should look at both sides and make up your own mind. If you only look at things from one point of view, you're getting half the story.

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LOL Nash... Sorry but I couldn't help but giggle at this comment, not to take anything away from what you said, I just had to GIGGLE when you used FOX NEWS and TRUTH in the SAME comment!! hehe

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Originally posted by NashBama:

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LOL Nash... Sorry but I couldn't help but giggle at this comment, not to take anything away from what you said, I just had to GIGGLE when you used FOX NEWS and TRUTH in the SAME comment!! hehe

So tell me the specific Fox news story that you've seen and found to be untrue and when it aired. Be specific, I'd like to know the actual story and the facts that prove it to be fictional with intent to mislead. Not something you've heard about, but a story that you have personally watched and determined on your own that it is false.

ALL of them ... FOX has nothing but propaganda on it...

I watch FOX a lot!!! I want to see what America is being spoon-fed. Sometimes they even surprise me at the depths they go to shove that spoon too!

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ALL of them ... FOX has nothing but propaganda on it...

I watch FOX a lot!!! I want to see what America is being spoon-fed. Sometimes they even surprise me at the depths they go to shove that spoon too!

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Originally posted by NashBama:

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ALL of them ... FOX has nothing but propaganda on it...

I watch FOX a lot!!! I want to see what America is being spoon-fed. Sometimes they even surprise me at the depths they go to shove that spoon too!

You did not answer my question. Please provide just one specific story that Fox has aired and the facts that prove it's propaganda.

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Originally posted by that smart chick:

that smart chick... was that meant for me? Just because "I" don't like FOX's slant on the news?

I DO watch it though, because I TRY to be informed...

If that post was for me, I am sad to say that I didn't think you had that in you.... but I guess you do

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I DID TOO answer your question!!!! But if you want me to be a little more specific, O'Reilly... he CLAIMS to be unbiased, but when he gets the "other-side" on there, he doesn't allow them to speak... that is just one of their talk shows though...

But when reporting the news, there DEFINITELY is a different slant than any other News Channel I have ever watched... They are a very Bush oriented Channel... and there is no doubt about it.

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Originally posted by NashBama:

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I DID TOO answer your question!!!! But if you want me to be a little more specific, O'Reilly... he CLAIMS to be unbiased, but when he gets the "other-side" on there, he doesn't allow them to speak... that is just one of their talk shows though...

But when reporting the news, there DEFINITELY is a different slant than any other News Channel I have ever watched... They are a very Bush oriented Channel... and there is no doubt about it.

Nope, still didn't answer. I asked for a SPECIFIC news story that you found to be untrue. O'Reily is not news, it's a talk show for entertainment.

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Originally posted by NashBama:

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I DID TOO answer your question!!!! But if you want me to be a little more specific, O'Reilly... he CLAIMS to be unbiased, but when he gets the "other-side" on there, he doesn't allow them to speak... that is just one of their talk shows though...

But when reporting the news, there DEFINITELY is a different slant than any other News Channel I have ever watched... They are a very Bush oriented Channel... and there is no doubt about it.

Nope, still didn't answer. I asked for a SPECIFIC news story that you found to be untrue. O'Reily is not news, it's a talk show for entertainment.

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Originally posted by NashBama:

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I DID TOO answer your question!!!! But if you want me to be a little more specific, O'Reilly... he CLAIMS to be unbiased, but when he gets the "other-side" on there, he doesn't allow them to speak... that is just one of their talk shows though...

But when reporting the news, there DEFINITELY is a different slant than any other News Channel I have ever watched... They are a very Bush oriented Channel... and there is no doubt about it.

Nope, still didn't answer. I asked for a SPECIFIC news story that you found to be untrue. O'Reily is not news, it's a talk show for entertainment.

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No, my notions are not preconceived... I spend just as much time watching FOX, as I do CNN, MSNBC, CBS, ABC and read the paper and USA Today and Reuters, so my 'notions' are based on the balance of watching them all... but I cannot help but notice that FOX is the most biased one of them all.

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Originally posted by EdEKit:

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Originally posted by NashBama:

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I DID TOO answer your question!!!! But if you want me to be a little more specific, O'Reilly... he CLAIMS to be unbiased, but when he gets the "other-side" on there, he doesn't allow them to speak... that is just one of their talk shows though...

But when reporting the news, there DEFINITELY is a different slant than any other News Channel I have ever watched... They are a very Bush oriented Channel... and there is no doubt about it.

Nope, still didn't answer. I asked for a SPECIFIC news story that you found to be untrue. O'Reily is not news, it's a talk show for entertainment.

Two http://mediamatters.org/items/200704030006

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Originally posted by NashBama:

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No, my notions are not preconceived... I spend just as much time watching FOX, as I do CNN, MSNBC, CBS, ABC and read the paper and USA Today and Reuters, so my 'notions' are based on the balance of watching them all... but I cannot help but notice that FOX is the most biased one of them all.

Yet you cannot provide any examples. All news outlets are a little biased, most are biased towards the left. However, they are still reputable news sources unlike the sites that pba and EdKit frequent.

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Originally posted by NashBama:
Let's look at the facts here. The site you linked says about itself: "Media Matters for America is a Web-based, not-for-profit, 501(c)(3) progressive research and information center dedicated to comprehensively monitoring, analyzing, and correcting conservative misinformation in the U.S. media."

In simple terms, this means it is a liberal web site who's goal is to discredit conservative information outlets. Since Fox is considered by many to be conservative, it's on their target list.

Now let's look at the link you provided regarding Fox's report on California schools banning the Declaration of Independence because it mentions God.

"FOX peddles false report that California school "banned Declaration of Independence because it mentions God"

http://mediamatters.org/items/200412090002

This is misleading. The original story was actually about a lawsuit, Williams v. Vidmar. Williams, the teacher, provided a number of historical documents that made mention of God. One of those was the Declaration of Independence. Some parents felt as if he was teaching religion and a lawsuit followed. Find out the real facts concerning the case for yourself.

From the NSBA, National School Board Association.

http://www.nsba.org/site/doc_cosa.asp?TRACKID=&VID=50&CID=438&DID=35934

From the Alliance Defense Fund, the organisation that filed the lawsuit.

http://www.alliancedefensefund.org/news/pressrelease.aspx?cid=3411

Finally, the only result given for a search on the case from Fox News.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,140889,00.html

Look at the facts and you'll see that Media Matters has skewed and twisted the facts in an attempt to discredit Fox. I've said before that Fox does lean Republican just as CNN leans Democrat, but they are still actual news. The link you posted fails to disprove anything.

No Kindred, I was not trying to bait you. My point is that you have a preconceived notion about what Fox news is and that you do not bother to investigate the facts to find out if it is true or not. Someone you trust told you Fox is propaganda and you believe them without bothering to find out for yourself. Your failure to provide even one example that proves Fox purposely misleads as you claim proves my point.

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Originally posted by NashBama:
I've already proved one site biased, I'm not going to waste my time debunking the rest of them. I provided non-biased, non-partisan links to back up my claims. Why can't you do the same? Posting biased sites proves absolutely nothing.

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A California federal district court has rejected an elementary school teacher's free speech, due process, and establishment of religion claims against a school district for intervening after receiving complaints about his classroom promotion of his religious views. However, the court ruled that he stated a valid legal claim for violation of his federal equal protection rights, based on his allegation that he was treated differently from other teachers because of his Christian beliefs and because he was required to obtain prior approval from the principal before distributing any supplemental classroom materials. The principal began requiring Steven J. Williams, a teacher at Stevens Creek Elementary School (SCES) in Cupertino, California, to submit any proposed supplemental classroom materials to her for approval before distributing them in the classroom.

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Originally posted by NashBama:
None of my links proved the Fox story wrong, just the opposite, they proved you wrong. You didn't read them. From the ADF.

"“Throwing aside all common sense, the district has chosen to censor men such as George Washington and documents like the Declaration of Independence. The district’s actions conflict with American beliefs and are completely unconstitutional,” said ADF Senior Counsel Gary McCaleb. “In addition, they have wrongfully applied their policy to only one teacher, who is a professed Christian.”


From MSNBC:

"The Phoenix-based Alliance Defense Fund, which is representing Williams, says the school’s policy effectively bans the teacher from handing out such important historical documents as the Declaration of Independence, which says: “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator . . . “

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6929031/

Why didn't Media Matters attack MSNBC for running the same story? Is it because NBC News is usually slanted towards the Democrats?

From San Diego's Union Tribune:

"Declaration of Independence banned at Bay-area school"

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/state/20041124-1309-life-declaration.html

Not a very conservative area, nor newspaper yet it's the same story Fox ran. You say Fox lied, did the U-T as well?

The site you tried to use to prove your point actually helped in proving mine. Media Matters attempted to skew the facts and mislead gullible readers like you that Fox intentionally ran a false report. In reality, it was Media Matters than peddled a false story.

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The Phoenix-based Alliance Defense Fund, which is representing Williams, says the school’s policy effectively bans the teacher from handing out such important historical documents as the Declaration of Independence, which says: “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator . . . “

Nonsense, say school district officials. In fact, the Declaration of Independence is right in the students’ textbooks, district communications manager Jerry Nishihara points out. What’s not in the textbooks — and for good reason, school officials say — is the material Williams was handing out to students on his own.

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The district lost on one issue. They either had to require ALL instructors to preclear all mentions of religion, or they had to stop preclearing Steven Williams.
The MSNBC headline is "Students stuck in
culture war crossfire" In the list of outlets that carried the story, "Guest host and MSNBC political analyst Monica Crowley, MSNBC's Scarborough Country, November 29," Fox, 8 separate programs, beginning November 24 and ending December 7. The Claim that the School district was attempting to censor Washington and Jefferson is LAUGHABLE. Williams did censor both of them. He presented only their references to God and Christianity. The school district text books present complete works.
I hate to disillusion you, But the infamous Congressman Cunningham represented San Diego. The home of the Miramar Naval Air station, The San Onofre Marine Training Station and
the home port of 98 ships. The San Diego Naval Station is the largest port for the Pacific Fleet.
The political scene in California is about as diversified as any place you can name. And San Diego is solidly Republican.

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Originally posted by NashBama:

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The district lost on one issue. They either had to require ALL instructors to preclear all mentions of religion, or they had to stop preclearing Steven Williams.
The MSNBC headline is "Students stuck in
culture war crossfire" In the list of outlets that carried the story, "Guest host and MSNBC political analyst Monica Crowley, MSNBC's Scarborough Country, November 29," Fox, 8 separate programs, beginning November 24 and ending December 7. The Claim that the School district was attempting to censor Washington and Jefferson is LAUGHABLE. Williams did censor both of them. He presented only their references to God and Christianity. The school district text books present complete works.
I hate to disillusion you, But the infamous Congressman Cunningham represented San Diego. The home of the Miramar Naval Air station, The San Onofre Marine Training Station and
the home port of 98 ships. The San Diego Naval Station is the largest port for the Pacific Fleet.
The political scene in California is about as diversified as any place you can name. And San Diego is solidly Republican.

All of which has nothing to do with the topic at hand. You tried to show that Fox purposely mislead viewers and you failed.

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I see it differently. You tried to demonstrate the credibility of Fox News. You could not succeed in that effort. They are not credible, and they are radically biased. I know for certain that the "news" is influenced by a conservative bias, and so do you. Any attempt by you to PROVE otherwise is Bound to fail. On the commentary side, they don't even make a pretense of being unbiased. You also know that.

I think you are on a fool's errand, and you are trying to make a silk purse. I would not go so far as to say the quality of your raw material is as good as a sow's ear. You seem to be trying to weave it from "whole cloth."

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Originally posted by BradshawBruin02:
Nash, your argument has become "If it leans right, it does not mislead, but if it leans left it does." Is that correct?

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Originally posted by EdEKit:

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Originally posted by NashBama:

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No, my notions are not preconceived... I spend just as much time watching FOX, as I do CNN, MSNBC, CBS, ABC and read the paper and USA Today and Reuters, so my 'notions' are based on the balance of watching them all... but I cannot help but notice that FOX is the most biased one of them all.

Yet you cannot provide any examples. All news outlets are a little biased, most are biased towards the left. However, they are still reputable news sources unlike the sites that pba and EdKit frequent.

Southern Patriot, this is beyond worth bothering with. GO AWAY KID, YA BOTHER ME.

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Originally posted by Southern Patriot:

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Originally posted by EdEKit:

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Originally posted by NashBama:

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No, my notions are not preconceived... I spend just as much time watching FOX, as I do CNN, MSNBC, CBS, ABC and read the paper and USA Today and Reuters, so my 'notions' are based on the balance of watching them all... but I cannot help but notice that FOX is the most biased one of them all.

Yet you cannot provide any examples. All news outlets are a little biased, most are biased towards the left. However, they are still reputable news sources unlike the sites that pba and EdKit frequent.

Southern Patriot, this is beyond worth bothering with. GO AWAY KID, YA BOTHER ME.

Who the hell are you to tell me to "GO AWAY KID, YA BOTHER ME"? You posted a supposed example of FOX being biased and I shot you down. Refute my point or you go away. You just can't accept the fact that one of your beloved sites can be wrong, or at a minimum very biased for liberal views.

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Nash, your argument has become "If it leans right, it does not mislead, but if it leans left it does." Is that correct?