Why the GOP Thinks You're Stupid

On the eve of the 110th Congress, we're about to hear fabled tales of economic growth, and as the Decider wrote in the WSJ, 'record revenues.'

Given the massive tax cuts we’ve had over the years, I began wondering how exactly Bush could justify using that word.

Do a little googling and you'll see it's not the first time the administration has suggested loudly declared that its tax cuts have led to “record” revenues. Check out this graph released from the Treasury Department from about a year ago.



http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2005/12/growth_in_feder.html

You'll see the first chart at the top of that page. Again, click on it to enlarge but the image is larger and has brighter contrast.

http://www.gpoaccess.gov/usbudget/fy05/sheets/hist01z3.xls. (second link for OMB Table 1.3)


Another big factor is simple population growth. Every person added is one more car, one more tube of toothpaste, one more can of beans, one more of every consumable item, all of which adds to the Gross Domestic Product and to increased federal tax revenues. The government doesn't have to lift a finger and the economy will "grow" at the population growth rate. Roughly, that's about 1% a year, a significant amount when applied to those revenue figures.


1.From this, it looks like the tax cuts have been an overwhelming success, shooting revenues up past even Internet-boom levels. So what gives?

2.The trick they're using is that they aren’t adjusting for inflation in calculating revenues. Here’s the OMB table that explains what I mean (click on it for larger image):

3.The administration is using current dollars rather than constant dollars (i.e., dollars adjusted for inflation). In constant dollars (or especially as a percentage of the GDP), the tax cuts did not lead to “record” revenues, or even to positive ones. Our revenues are still lower than they were before Bush took office.

4.So when you hear conservative Republicans defend tax cuts, know that their statements relie on disingenuousness and a presumption of your ignorance. IOW, as your common sense and the numbers tell you, when you hear Republicans claim that tax cuts increase revenue - it's just, well, a lie.


5.Sad so many up in DC think it cant happen here, because nothing lasts forever does it? Look at the new laws and power Bush has demanded, and received does it scare you? I see bad news coming if things don't change to restore our rights. So many have died to ensure our freedoms lets make there sacrifice mean something.

6.It should be scaring everyone and they need to know how the GOP is lying from false claims regarding alleged 'record revenues' to searching first-class mail without a warrant.



7.It's time for a great many people to start speaking up loudly.

Well when people finally realize that the man is nothing but a civil servant maybe we can get something done. We elect the idiots to serve us not rule like some sort of tin god, I'm sick and tired of this great men status these numb-nuts have enjoyed.

Politicians are like diapers they need changed often and for the same reason!

What we need is to have them elected by the popular vote, and rid ourselves of this electoral college garbage. We need to have a way to fire them when they get to high on there own BS.

Remember one thing anybody can be replaced its why we have a so to speak chain of command
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well, I guess we will see how the other side can do. We will have to wait a day more though because one guy wanted to go see his home team get worked. I guess the buckeye's had the same work ethic.
Statistics remind me of the 6 ft man who drowned in a river with an average depth of 3 ft
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Originally posted by dkn:
well, I guess we will see how the other side can do. We will have to wait a day more though because one guy wanted to go see his home team get worked. I guess the buckeye's had the same work ethic.
Statistics remind me of the 6 ft man who drowned in a river with an average depth of 3 ft


You COULD be right, because everything dubbya did was slowly, then after 2004 he slammed while we were already being acclimated to HIS almighty ways.

I know Americans are easily swayed, or maybe it would be better if I said it is easier to just do NOTHING, say NOTHING, and HOPE it all turns out right.

But we Americans need to MAKE our Congress and Senate work for US because WE THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES own the country... or we are supposed to... as things are now, we aren't even in the ballpark.
we the people were never supposed to own the country. that was all a paper lie. we took the country over from rich white nobility and turned it over to rich white nobility. It is all part of the plan passed down through the generations to keep certain families in power. google Bilderbergers, Council of Foreign Relations and follow the trail
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Originally posted by dkn:
we the people were never supposed to own the country. that was all a paper lie. we took the country over from rich white nobility and turned it over to rich white nobility. It is all part of the plan passed down through the generations to keep certain families in power. google Bilderbergers, Council of Foreign Relations and follow the trail


Oh, I believe you, dkn... because that is what is going on right now in D.C.... But WE THE PEOPLE are supposed to matter, and to dubbya we don't... only HIS agenda does. Sometimes I wonder if he has more power, or if Cheney is the brains of the outfit. It is hard to figure.
If you will follow this link I think you will find this is a plagiarized post.

http://lawandpolitics.blogspot.com/2007_01_01_archive.html

Check out Wednesday January 3rd post entitled Record Revenues

I know its hard coming up with your own ideas but maybe we don't need to hear from you 10 times a day especially if you are going to copy someone else's word and claim it as your own.
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Originally posted by Ubermensch:
If you will follow this link I think you will find this is a plagiarized post.

http://lawandpolitics.blogspot.com/2007_01_01_archive.html

Check out Wednesday January 3rd post entitled Record Revenues

I know its hard coming up with your own ideas but maybe we don't need to hear from you 10 times a day especially if you are going to copy someone else's word and claim it as your own.


Uber, I don't have time right now to look at that, but I will as soon as I get home... I HATE PLAGIARIZING!!!!

If one is going to do that, then give the person who wrote it the CREDIT... by the way, isn't plagiarizing illegal???
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Uber, I don't have time right now to look at that, but I will as soon as I get home... I HATE PLAGIARIZING!!!!

If one is going to do that, then give the person who wrote it the CREDIT... by the way, isn't plagiarizing illegal???
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Although unethical, and with this particular poster, nauseating, I believe it's only plagarism if it's for profit.
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Originally posted by Ubermensch:
I think in this case its just a ethical issue. I would like to think he was in such a hurry that he didn't credit the author but he elaborated, continuing the authors points with his own.


Are you accuseing me of plagiarizing?
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Originally posted by Ubermensch:
If you will follow this link I think you will find this is a plagiarized post.

http://lawandpolitics.blogspot.com/2007_01_01_archive.html

Check out Wednesday January 3rd post entitled Record Revenues

I know its hard coming up with your own ideas but maybe we don't need to hear from you 10 times a day especially if you are going to copy someone else's word and claim it as your own.


Sorry, I thought i did give the author credit, as I left two links.
The title of this forum should read, "Why the GOVERNMENT Thinks You're Stupid". Both parties are guilty of bending the truth. I am so sick of listening to everyone who tries to prove Bush is a liar. I have yet to see one honest politician on either side of the political fence. There is no doubt that some of the policies of the Whitehouse have not been as successful as planned, but at the same time there have been some policies that have worked out really well.

The only way to right this country's ship is to get back to family values. The people of this country have it so good they believe all this garbage about how bad of shape we are in. Every citizen is given the tools to succeed here through our education system. So what if not everyone has a chance to be President, that doesn't mean you can 't be successful. It's time for us to stop whining and take the initiative to become more responsible citizens.

For some that might mean to buy health insurance instead of a new car you don't need. For others to not procreate if you do not have the means. For others to put away some of your money so you can retire without worrying about social security. The reason we are the greatest country is because our founding fathers and previous generations had to suffer to reach their goals. We don't even have the faintest clue about what they went through.

So please quit blaming government and take a look in the mirror. Despite government we still have more than any other country in the world.
Two things.

First, go to http://opensecrets.org/ and follow the money, you'll see that both parties are just two sides of the same coin. They're both reaming us. Tax and overspend vs borrow and overspend. How long can your household go spending more than it takes in? Not very long.

Also http://www.cagw.org (Citizens Against Government Waste)

Second, there is absolutely nothing wrong with pasting reprinted material on this board, as long as you credit the source and have permission if necessary.
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Originally posted by PBA54:
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Originally posted by Ubermensch:
If you will follow this link I think you will find this is a plagiarized post.

http://lawandpolitics.blogspot.com/2007_01_01_archive.html

Check out Wednesday January 3rd post entitled Record Revenues

I know its hard coming up with your own ideas but maybe we don't need to hear from you 10 times a day especially if you are going to copy someone else's word and claim it as your own.


Sorry, I thought i did give the author credit, as I left two links.


I have no problem with you ignoring me, or no one else as far as that goes. First of all, this message board is freedom of speech, or supposedly. You don't have to read my posts nor does anyone else. And maybe I got a little carried away about posting too many posts at once but I can control that. But lets really get down to the basics as to why you dislike my posts. Number one, you disagree with my posts and this is typical on all message boards of right wingers and far right conservatives like yourself because you are afraid that people on this board might catch on to what's going on in the conservative world and you wouldn't want that to happen, now would you? The right wingers, the far righters, always try to find a way to discredit the messenger and this is your attack on me to try to discredit my posts. But, you do not intimidate me and I hope the others are not intimidated by you and will stand up to you. Maybe you feel like you can scare me off. That's not going to happen because I have been a part of the media a long time myself and I love informing people of the truth. And I also enjoy posting things to see what type of reaction it gets just out of curiousity. You've condemned every post I've put up. You're one of the smarter ones of the rightwing in this forum and you have a few in here who kiss your butt but I can debate you at any time. I can get on your level or below. So, challange me any way you wish because I will stay right with you. You have not been able to reply to any of my posts as far as debate. That's why we post is to get a debate, a discussion going on pertaining to the post. But instead, you try to find ways to discredit the post and accusing me of not crediting the author, which I thought I did because the links were there and anybody in this forum can see that. I will not get on your level to name calling. People like you try to bring the worse out of people and I have noticed that you have been able to accomplish that with some people. You might as well give up with me because I've dealt with jerks all my life, like you. As for the people in here, you are not the judge. Let these people read and decide for themselves. You're basically saying like hey folks, don't read the TimesDaily, it's all fiction. I looked it up in my republican dictionary. You have sites that lean towards what you believe in, like the media, you would argue that FOX is better than CNN. Why? Because FOX caters to your needs and belief's. I'm one voice and I'm just trying to get people to research the truth and think for themselves and not have people like yourself thinking for them. And that's what you are trying to do by telling them hey, ignore PBA because themax has all the answers. Believe like themax and you will be ok. Well, let me tell you something themax. I don't believe like you do. I don't see things like you see them. This is America, the land of the free and I believe in God and the Constitution of the United States of America and not some moron like yourself that falls for the propaganda of the far right.
PBA: You continue to amaze me, and by the way you did give the website which isn't plagurism, with your insight. I totally agree, what more can I say? You hit the nail on the head, unfortuantely some people revel in their herd philosophy, and a lot of Republicans like to (CAN'T RESIST BRENTENMAN) DRINK THE KOOL-AID! LOL THE DOG
Anyone who looks at this post and the link I provided objectively can clearly see it is blatant plagiarism. The two links he provided were used in the backup the original article. He did not provide a link to the original article and expanded on it with no clear distinction between his own thoughts and the ones he plagiarized.

In addition this guy is spamming the forums with every left wing article he can get his hand on and people are a little sick of it.

I think these are two pretty very obvious important things to point out.
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Originally posted by MADDOG 20/20:
PBA: You continue to amaze me, and by the way you did give the website which isn't plagurism, with your insight. I totally agree, what more can I say? You hit the nail on the head, unfortuantely some people revel in their herd philosophy, and a lot of Republicans like to (CAN'T RESIST BRENTENMAN) DRINK THE KOOL-AID! LOL THE DOG


Thank you!! and thanks for all you do!
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Originally posted by Ubermensch:
Anyone who looks at this post and the link I provided objectively can clearly see it is blatant plagiarism. The two links he provided were used in the backup the original article. He did not provide a link to the original article and expanded on it with no clear distinction between his own thoughts and the ones he plagiarized.

In addition this guy is spamming the forums with every left wing article he can get his hand on and people are a little sick of it.

I think these are two pretty very obvious important things to point out.


Dude you are so full of it and I'am getting alittle sick of you accuseing me!
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Originally posted by elijah495:
Uber has a long history of relying on the axiom.."The best defense is a good offense"...he attacks because there is no depth in his discussions...he may not disagree with you at all...he just has nothing constructive to add..


Thanks for pointing that out about Uber,make sure you check out everything he posts. He might be spamming the forums with every right wing article he can get his hand on to fool people to think like the right wing!
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Originally posted by alacharger:
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Uber, I don't have time right now to look at that, but I will as soon as I get home... I HATE PLAGIARIZING!!!!

If one is going to do that, then give the person who wrote it the CREDIT... by the way, isn't plagiarizing illegal???



Although unethical, and with this particular poster, nauseating, I believe it's only plagarism if it's for profit.[/QUOTE]

How to respond to the charge of Plagerism? Its a sticky problem.
Let me try, by quoting Kr King on a totally off topic subject of historical interest. "I fear I am integrating my people into a burning building."

That is a plagerism. I am not quoting Dr King, I am Quoting Rev. Farrakahn, who was quoting Harry Belefonte, who, according to Farrakahn was quoting Dr. King from a private conversation.
By Claiming I am quoting Dr King, I am plagerizing Rev Farrakahn. He was not plagerizing, he QUOTED Mr. Belefonte. properly written it would say, Rev. Farrakahn says Harry Belefonte told him that Dr. King said, "I fear that I am integrating my people into a burning building."
Plagerism is using someone else's work in a way that makes it seem to be your own. Cut and paste, without identification of the author is plagerism. I DON'T THINK THIS POST WAS THAT AT ALL.
Now to the issue of who thinks who is stupid.
It is not stupidity the GOP is depending on for its control of public opinion, it is ignorance. The GOP tries very hard to control the flow of information. So de the Democrats. It can be VERY HARD to show, demonstrate, or otherwise prove that the world is not flat. If, like Copernicus, you do the work to demonstrate the spherical earth, someone burns you at the stake for saying it, YOU LOOSE ALL CREDIBILITY. If the government claims Tax Revenues are at their highest level in history, and you attempt to prove otherwise, and (in my estimation) prove your position, you can be metaphorically burned at the stake for saying what you proved.
The Plagerism charge, true or not, does not alter the facts presented, and do not disprove the truth of the criticism that was made. CORPORATE PROFITS ARE UP 45% AND WAGES ARE UP 3% AND TAX REVENUES REFLECT THAT. Good, corporations that are taking more of our hard earned money in the form of their private taxation, called profit, are giving a portion to the government that ALLOWS them to increase their wages by 45% while our wages increas 3%, not adjusted for inflation. And Tax Revenues are up, also not adjusted for inflation, or population increase, or the alternate minimum tax.
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Originally posted by jptorisky:
The title of this forum should read, "Why the GOVERNMENT Thinks You're Stupid". Both parties are guilty of bending the truth. I am so sick of listening to everyone who tries to prove Bush is a liar. I have yet to see one honest politician on either side of the political fence. There is no doubt that some of the policies of the Whitehouse have not been as successful as planned, but at the same time there have been some policies that have worked out really well.

The only way to right this country's ship is to get back to family values. The people of this country have it so good they believe all this garbage about how bad of shape we are in. Every citizen is given the tools to succeed here through our education system. So what if not everyone has a chance to be President, that doesn't mean you can 't be successful. It's time for us to stop whining and take the initiative to become more responsible citizens.

For some that might mean to buy health insurance instead of a new car you don't need. For others to not procreate if you do not have the means. For others to put away some of your money so you can retire without worrying about social security. The reason we are the greatest country is because our founding fathers and previous generations had to suffer to reach their goals. We don't even have the faintest clue about what they went through.

So please quit blaming government and take a look in the mirror. Despite government we still have more than any other country in the world.


Yup, you are in the 1/3 who thinks it is all garbage, I just bet you that on a huge forum if you said that, you would be run off...

It is NOT garbage!!! It is FACT,

You think dubbya is RIGHT when he chooses to ignore the law? You think he is right in taking away your freedoms???

Wow... I just do not get how some people can put on those blinder.... UNLESSSSSSS they are one of the elite, the rich, the 'untouchables'...

Mad Mad Mad Mad
Yup, you are in the 1/3 who thinks it is all garbage, I just bet you that on a huge forum if you said that, you would be run off...

It is NOT garbage!!! It is FACT,

You think dubbya is RIGHT when he chooses to ignore the law? You think he is right in taking away your freedoms???

Wow... I just do not get how some people can put on those blinder.... UNLESSSSSSS they are one of the elite, the rich, the 'untouchables'...

Mad Mad Mad Mad
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My freedoms have not been encroached upon. If anything my freedoms have been saved through the sacrifices that our great military has made since 9/11. I guess that by taking responsiblity for myself and not relying on government to hold my hand I am not affected like some of the weaker SPIRITS in this country.

Why don't you just admit that whatever Bush says or does you are for the opposite view. This is America's problem. Instead of disagreeing and debating we hold grudges about a so called stolen election and act like three year olds who don't get their way
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Originally posted by Kindred_Spirit:
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Originally posted by jptorisky:
The title of this forum should read, "Why the GOVERNMENT Thinks You're Stupid". Both parties are guilty of bending the truth. I am so sick of listening to everyone who tries to prove Bush is a liar. I have yet to see one honest politician on either side of the political fence. There is no doubt that some of the policies of the Whitehouse have not been as successful as planned, but at the same time there have been some policies that have worked out really well.

The only way to right this country's ship is to get back to family values. The people of this country have it so good they believe all this garbage about how bad of shape we are in. Every citizen is given the tools to succeed here through our education system. So what if not everyone has a chance to be President, that doesn't mean you can 't be successful. It's time for us to stop whining and take the initiative to become more responsible citizens.

For some that might mean to buy health insurance instead of a new car you don't need. For others to not procreate if you do not have the means. For others to put away some of your money so you can retire without worrying about social security. The reason we are the greatest country is because our founding fathers and previous generations had to suffer to reach their goals. We don't even have the faintest clue about what they went through.

So please quit blaming government and take a look in the mirror. Despite government we still have more than any other country in the world.


Yup, you are in the 1/3 who thinks it is all garbage, I just bet you that on a huge forum if you said that, you would be run off...

It is NOT garbage!!! It is FACT,

You think dubbya is RIGHT when he chooses to ignore the law? You think he is right in taking away your freedoms???

Wow... I just do not get how some people can put on those blinder.... UNLESSSSSSS they are one of the elite, the rich, the 'untouchables'...

Mad Mad Mad Mad


AMEN!

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