World War III (World War 3)

If there ever was, or when there ever is,, a World War 3 that involves major players such as the United States, China, and/or Russia on the world stage in heated and direct military conflict then God help us all.  I've been spending a little time watching YouTube videos ,of a military nature, that shows capabilities or rumored capabilities of the militaries of both the United States and Russia.  I realize that China, the United Kingdom, France, Germany, and Israel as well as other players have advanced military weapon systems and arsenals but I've just been watching some of the depictions of what we and Russia have to bear off at each other and it's freighting, awesome, and scary. 

Frankly it's very scary and sobering to see the advancement of weapons and weapon systems designed to make its owner invincible or at least give them a chance to prevail over their enemy without the enemy having a chance to compete equally.  Many of these systems and weapons are  designed as first strike weapons or weapon systems that would not give the enemy a chance to retaliate or respond.  Part of the safety of our respective arsenals is that it made the theory/doctrine of mutually assured destruction a certainty or almost certainty giving each nation a valid reason not to start something with the other and to avoid conflict at all cost.   The real sobering thing is to realize that these are the weapons and weapon systems that the Nations are owning up to having or have in development and you know that the best stuff or most potent and most destructive things are being kept in secret and there may be a thought that crosses one of the leader's minds that maybe we could get everything over with by one massive pre-emptive strike without any fear that there could be a reprisal or response on behalf of the one attacked.  Maybe such damage and destruction could be inflicted initially that the will to fight would be eliminated and thus plant the seed of thought that a war could be won by overwhelming first attack and that we or they have weapons, offensive and defensive, that would allow for a first strike.

What all that says to me is the best scenario for any Nation in todays technological and modern field of battle is to NOT FIGHT AT ALL!   That said you just know that there are some crazy, idiotic and mentally deficient players out there like the leader of North Korea that have no sense or rational thinking about them.  They are crazy enough to start something that could very easily escalate and bring in other players and start a very tedious and fragile conflict that could  bring about just that which everyone is hoping to avoid.  While we have been developing weapons that are targeted and purposed to intercept missiles and weapons that would be incoming to attack us there are chances that some of these new, untried, and untested in battle, weapons would fail leaving catastrophic results.

Literally it is possible that we could see conflict that would or could make our planet inhabitable and change our way of life totally for a generational future period of time.  Let us hope that calmer heads prevail and that even our enemies recognize that players like IRAN and N. Korea pose as great a threat to their peace as they do to ours and in return they will seek, as friends or allies, to control a situation involving, no less than, a mad man.

The danger with respect to IRAN though is different in that these are religious zealots who actually believe that if they unleash Nuclear War and seek to totally wipe out Israel or another Western Foe then it will bring about their Islamic messiah, "The Mahdi" or 12th Imam about and start the Islamic End Times.  In their religion, that of Islam, the Muslims believe that their messiah figure, called the Mahdi, will come in the last days, RULE the world and bring the whole world to Islam and establish total Islamic rule over the entire world.   They believe that all they have to do is START the conflict with Israel or the West and the Mahdi, who is waiting to come onto the scene, will then decide to come to earth and set up His Kingdom.   That's what sets IRAN apart from say someone like N. Korea.  They feel  (and BELIEVE) that their Salvation and the World's conversion to Islam is within their power and all they have to do is destroy Israel (the Jews) and/or the West (America, England, France, etc ..) with whatever means they have at their disposal, and all they have to do is pull the trigger, release the weapon and start the fight.

It would be akin or like if say a Christian leader who had Nuclear weapons at their disposal and use actually believing that IF THEY USED the weapons and started a fight, a conflict, a war, then the fact that they started the war would cause Christ Jesus/God to come back to earth to set up His promised Kingdom. 

So rather than the choosing of the time being the domain and choice of God or Allah these leaders of Islam, of IRAN, feel that the timing and choice is in their hands and IF they have the means then there is a very good likelihood that they would chance using them and choose to unleash them against Israel or the United States not fearing any reprisal much like a suicide bomber does.  There isn't any fear of mutually assured destruction because they fully believe that in using the weapon and starting the war they would be bringing about their Islamic End Times, bringing about their ultimate Religious leader, the Mahdi, the 12th Imam, and Allah/God would then prevail against the West/Israel on their behalf so they don't fear any retaliation.  They don't believe there would be assured destruction of their nation or their lives because they believe God/Allah would intercede on their behalf and prevent the West/Israel from attacking and defeating them.

That's why it's so dangerous for IRAN to possess and have a Nuclear Weapon.  Our leaders and politicians though are not looking at this from a Religious perspective but from a political one.  They say or feel/believe that no one in their right mind would attack us given the likelihood that we would then retaliate and wipe them out in response.  They, the politicians do not realize that the doctrine of mutually assured destruction no longer is pertinent in a nation like IRAN where there is no dividing line between Government and Religion but Islam is the Government and the Government, as well as the military, is controlled by the Religious/Islamic leaders.

It's a tender, tedious, and scary time we live in and filled with unbelievable destructive weapons and methods of Killing and fighting  a war.   Just some food for thought.

Be as the Bereans ( Acts 17:11 )
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Bestworking posted:
direstraits posted:

The small anti-ICBM capabilities we have on the west coast are probably adequate for the Norks.  There is nothing in the European theater, or our east coast, thanks to Obama.   

I wish someone would swat that fly.

You remember all those flies attracted to Obama -- flies know their lord and master.

direstraits posted:
Bestworking posted:
direstraits posted:

The small anti-ICBM capabilities we have on the west coast are probably adequate for the Norks.  There is nothing in the European theater, or our east coast, thanks to Obama.   

I wish someone would swat that fly.

You remember all those flies attracted to Obama -- flies know their lord and master.

And all this time I thought it was those s*** sandwitches  ............

Obama lied to us about the treaty with Iran.  Now, one of his minions is bragging about it.  Sickening!

http://www.weeklystandard.com/article/2002252

The first ayatollah in the regime stated that it was worth Iran burning in complete destruction if it meant the triumph of Islam.  Western apologists explained this away as hyperbole.  We in the west have mostly forgotten the madness of the true religious fanatic (mostly to the good).  We did see variants in the first portion of the 20th century.  Communist fanatics exterminated 180 million as part of their new religion.  Japanese slaughtered hundred of thousands of civilians and threw their own lives way in suicidal banzai attacks and as kamikaze pilots -- all to propitiate a divine emperor-god.  National Socialism founded a syncretic religion based on leader, folk and blood.  Then, slaughtered millions in its defense.

I'd take the Islamists at their word.

What is really sickening is how, for Democrats, and a great number of others including the national media, the fact that they lied about it isn't news and worth condemnation with no fears of impeachment for such deception, as the opposing party, the Republicans, certified that they would remove impeachment from off the table with regards to anything that Obama might do in the future.  I guess we have become accustomed to being lied to regarding major diplomatic and foreign situations when we, collectively, didn't raise a stink about the Administration, Hillary, and the Democrats lying about Benghazi and the attack that killed four of our citizens there in Libya.   Heck we rewarded Susan Rice, the mouthpiece of those lies on the Sunday morning news shows, by promoting her and now very likely will elect Hillary to President all without knowing exactly what happened and why regarding Benghazi. 

We, as a nation, still don't know who arranged for or ordered the security for the compound and our Ambassador, what security was requested by the Ambassador and when, nor do we know where the President was during the attack or what decisions he made with regards to it.  We still don't know who called off the response to the attack and issued the stand down order to our troops and military that could have responded, at least, in time to save two if not more of the lives that were lost.  We still don't know who ordered Susan Rice to lie to the American people about the cause of the attack or the circumstances around it.

We put an innocent American in prison, the one who made the YouTube video they blamed for the attack, who as far as I know is still setting in jail.  We, as a nation, government, and media, seems to have not cared that our President continued to lie about the cause even to the United Nations for weeks after the attack when if anyone should know the entire truth and what happened it is the President.  We accepted the response, from Hillary Clinton, under interview, of "What does it matter now", when ask officially about some of the issues that we didn't know then and still don't know now. 

So why concern ourselves with yet another lie and boasting of a lie coming from this Administration when Democratic voters and the media and most everyone else don't seem to care?  Seems depending on the party you belong to lying is a bonus and a valid acceptable way to achieve the desired ends such as when Harry Reid lied openly, from the Podium in the Senate, regarding Mitt Romney's taxes and him paying them, in the 2012 presidential campaign, the same campaign that the Benghazi lies were allowed to go on in order not to make the President and his Administration look bad.  Harry Reid was bragging about his lie and how it may have cost Mitt Romney the election, even though most of us know Mitt Romney cost his own self the election when he failed to press the President on the Benghazi lie in the 3rd Presidential debate between them.  Not even lies under oath, by a President, seems to be reason for actually impeaching the President as it was when Bill Clinton lied under oath regarding Monica and their relationship.  We allow statements like it all depends on what the definition of the word "sex" or "is" is.  

Fact is that depending on the party and who's doing it, Lying IS and can be acceptable and politically expedient even if those lies are to the American People as a whole.  We don't shame the liar anymore we promote him or her and reward them.  We may, as a nation, even reward them with ascension to the Presidency knowing that lying is the Modus operandi these days as it is with Hillary calling the relatives of those killed in Benghazi, liars themselves as if to shame them.  She (Hillary) calls the relatives of the dead, killed in Benghazi, under her leadership, liars because they dare reveal the lie that Hillary said to them regarding why their relatives were killed.    No longer is the qualifying factor ... if you get caught, in play but it's give it a little bit of time and once you've accomplished that which you lied to accomplish it's fair game to brag about it.  Again, no fears that the media will hold you accountable or that the American public might object.  Heck we all know Hillary's lies or many of them yet look at the numbers that are openly supporting, voting, and wanting to make her President.

It' SAD and disgusting, and that's no lie!

 

Keeping with the topic

http://www.mirror.co.uk/tech/r...able-satan-2-7935675

Why would anyone create such a weapon if there was not an intent to possibly use it in a first strike situation.  This is the danger of appearing too weak or indecisive that someone might think twice that they could actually survive a retaliation to a first strike or that what's left would be too unwilling to strike back but rather negotiate.  I may be wrong but I think one thing, in today's world, that insures our safety is our ability to utterly destroy anyone that would seek to strike us.

Not that Donald Trump would do that but his reputation so far is to strike back at anyone that hits him only to strike back in a highly amped up way several times greater.

The US and Soviet Union had MIRV warheads on their ICBMs for years.  Thru treaties both powers cut the number of missiles and the number of warheads to one each.  Both powers are subject to inspection of their facilities.  If, we found the Russians once more engaged in multiple warheads, we could do the same.  Sounds like the old Russian bear is indulged in scare tactics as much as anything.  Putin has a hard time meeting payroll with the cut in natural gas and oil prices. 

I suspect Putin is posturing.  Its the religious fanatics with nukes that concern me the most. 

direstraits posted:

The US and Soviet Union had MIRV warheads on their ICBMs for years.  Thru treaties both powers cut the number of missiles and the number of warheads to one each.  Both powers are subject to inspection of their facilities.  If, we found the Russians once more engaged in multiple warheads, we could do the same.  Sounds like the old Russian bear is indulged in scare tactics as much as anything.  Putin has a hard time meeting payroll with the cut in natural gas and oil prices. 

I suspect Putin is posturing.  Its the religious fanatics with nukes that concern me the most. 

For good reason it should because Islamic End Times teachings are interpreted by some of the more radical Islamic fanatics to be that they could bring about their messiah, the Mahdi, and End Times prophecies by unleashing Jihad/war upon the West, Israel, and non-believers.  Islamic End Times prophecy is that their messiah (the Mahdi, 12th Imam) will come followed by Islamic Jesus (actually different than the Christian Christ but referring to the same person) and they will together bring the world to Islam.  Those that do not and will not convert (to Islam) will suffer death with beheading being the preferred method. 

IRAN could very well believe that unleashing a Nuclear weapon upon Israel would be a part of their End Times prophecy and direction.  There is NO mutual destruction deterrent as has kept Russia, China, and America at bay but with IRAN they believe Allah protects them from reprisal and retaliation and thus would bless them for the ultimate suicide bomb.  Jerusalem would never be a target due to the significance it has to the Muslim religion however there are other cities that they would have no problem unleashing such a weapon on.

Then the result would be exactly what you and everyone else, that is rational and knowledgeable knows which could bring the world into nuclear conflict.  No one wins such a scenario.  So with the lunatic in North Korea that might actually think he could win a conflict, knowing China is backing him up, IRAN believes Allah (God) has their back and if giving them the bomb SO THEY CAN USE IT.    

Should make every Democrat think twice about their vote since the revelation that those in the Obama administration purposely and braggingly lied about the Iran leadership in order to achieve public support for the ultimate agreement that we signed with them that gives them an uncontested path to the Nuclear weapon that they so desire. 

I don't know that my wife and I will ever have to worry about this, given our ages, but our Children and grandchildren as well as their children will have to deal with this in their future.   

gbrk posted:
direstraits posted:

The US and Soviet Union had MIRV warheads on their ICBMs for years.  Thru treaties both powers cut the number of missiles and the number of warheads to one each.  Both powers are subject to inspection of their facilities.  If, we found the Russians once more engaged in multiple warheads, we could do the same.  Sounds like the old Russian bear is indulged in scare tactics as much as anything.  Putin has a hard time meeting payroll with the cut in natural gas and oil prices. 

I suspect Putin is posturing.  Its the religious fanatics with nukes that concern me the most. 

For good reason it should because Islamic End Times teachings are interpreted by some of the more radical Islamic fanatics to be that they could bring about their messiah, the Mahdi, and End Times prophecies by unleashing Jihad/war upon the West, Israel, and non-believers.  Islamic End Times prophecy is that their messiah (the Mahdi, 12th Imam) will come followed by Islamic Jesus (actually different than the Christian Christ but referring to the same person) and they will together bring the world to Islam.  Those that do not and will not convert (to Islam) will suffer death with beheading being the preferred method. 

IRAN could very well believe that unleashing a Nuclear weapon upon Israel would be a part of their End Times prophecy and direction.  There is NO mutual destruction deterrent as has kept Russia, China, and America at bay but with IRAN they believe Allah protects them from reprisal and retaliation and thus would bless them for the ultimate suicide bomb.  Jerusalem would never be a target due to the significance it has to the Muslim religion however there are other cities that they would have no problem unleashing such a weapon on.

Then the result would be exactly what you and everyone else, that is rational and knowledgeable knows which could bring the world into nuclear conflict.  No one wins such a scenario.  So with the lunatic in North Korea that might actually think he could win a conflict, knowing China is backing him up, IRAN believes Allah (God) has their back and if giving them the bomb SO THEY CAN USE IT.    

Should make every Democrat think twice about their vote since the revelation that those in the Obama administration purposely and braggingly lied about the Iran leadership in order to achieve public support for the ultimate agreement that we signed with them that gives them an uncontested path to the Nuclear weapon that they so desire. 

I don't know that my wife and I will ever have to worry about this, given our ages, but our Children and grandchildren as well as their children will have to deal with this in their future.   

Democrats don't care about the future ,or your children's future, or their children's future. They live in the "now" and want all that government will give them now, and future generations be ****ed.

How do you overcome that? I mean most of their voters vote mostly on whatever lies they are told without carrying to research it out.  They vote "D" because they believe the stereotypes the Democratic party sells them on.

So how do you over come that?

gbrk posted:

How do you overcome that? I mean most of their voters vote mostly on whatever lies they are told without carrying to research it out.  They vote "D" because they believe the stereotypes the Democratic party sells them on.

So how do you over come that?

You can try. Try to keep the radical over the top Dems out of office, and vote out the ones already in.

gbrk posted:

How do you overcome that? I mean most of their voters vote mostly on whatever lies they are told without carrying to research it out.  They vote "D" because they believe the stereotypes the Democratic party sells them on.

So how do you over come that?

During the Civil War, they set up an Underground Railroad.

 

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