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For Christian evangelist Ray Comfort, author of “God  Doesn’t Believe in Atheists,” the idea that everyone at some core level has  a cognizance of a higher power isn’t new.

But now a Hong Kong-based science writer has posted an  article on the Science20 blog under the headline “Scientists discover that  atheists might not exist, and that’s not a joke.”

 

Writer Nury Vittachi, who explains he is based at a creativity research lab  there and is “fascinated by metaphysics” and the theories of the multiverse,  said he has written a lot of books, has been published by Scholastic and once  was shortlisted for a prize for a children’s book on relativity.

On the Science20 site, which was set up to “modernize science communication,  publishing, collaboration and public participation,” he posts articles that are  not filtered for size, and there are no political or cultural agendas.

 

Vittachi writes, provocatively, that God, “if he is around, may be amused to  find that atheists might not exist.”

 

He cites several reasons for his suggestion, including that scientists are  becoming more and more aware “that a metaphysical outlook may be so deeply  ingrained in human thought processes that it cannot be expunged.”

 

He suggests something that would be concerning to atheists, that “what you  actually believe is not a decision you make for yourself.”

 

“Your fundamental beliefs are decided by much deeper levels of consciousness,  and some may well be more or less set in stone,” he said.

 

He quotes Graham Lawton in the New Scientist, who wrote: “Atheism is  psychologically impossible because of the way humans think. … They point to  studies showing, for example, that even people who claim to be committed  atheists tacitly hold religious beliefs, such as the existence of an immortal  soul.”

 

And Vittachi quotes Pascal Boyer, from Nature, saying, “A slew of cognitive  traits predisposes us to faith.”

 

Comfort, who leads the Living Waters  ministry and is known for his innovative and successful Christian evangelism  methods, cited a response he sent earlier to someone who claimed to be an  atheist, yet was curious about Christianity.

 

“It’s important to understand that an atheist is someone who believes the  scientific impossibility that nothing created everything. Some fundamental  atheists will deny this by trying to redefine ‘nothing’ as being ‘something,’ because such a thought makes them look like a fool, which is precisely what the  Bible says that they are (see Psalm 14:1),” he wrote.

 

“As Christians, we’re not asking the world to believe the Bible. What we are  asking them to believe is the gospel. The early church didn’t have the Bible as  we know it, so they didn’t go around saying ‘Repent and believe the Bible.’ The  Old Testament scrolls were kept in the synagogue, not many could read, there was  no such thing as the printing press, and the New Testament hadn’t been  compiled,” he said.

 

“The Bible is a book written for the godly – as a lamp to our feet and a  light to our path. It’s a special book written for the humble of heart, and  those who try and read it without a humble heart are like a man trying to read  Shakespeare in the dark. It will be senseless. However, when we believe the  gospel, repent and trust alone in Jesus we come out of the kingdom of darkness  into the kingdom of light. God opens the eyes of our understanding, and a major  part of that illumination will be that the Scriptures will suddenly come alive,” he said.

 

He recommends an online evaluation called NeedGod.com  that enables people to determine for themselves what they believe.

 

Commentator  Alex Kocman at the Barbwire.com blog noted the Bible affirms God has made  himself known even to those who haven’t read the Bible.

 

“In Romans 1:18-23, the apostle Paul writes that ‘what can be known about God  is plain to them’ – that is, all men – and that ‘his invisible attributes,  namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever  since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are  without excuse.’ He then goes so far as to state that all such people ‘knew God’ (v. 21).

 

The implication, thus, is that man innately assumes the existence of  his Creator until he convinces himself to think otherwise.”

 

Vittachi argues several points:

 

  • In the United States, 38 percent of people who identified themselves as  atheist or agnostic went on to claim to believe in a God or a Higher Power (Pew  Forum, ‘Religion and the Unaffiliated,’ 2012),” he explains. “While the U.K. is  often defined as an irreligious place, a recent survey by Theos, a think tank,  found that very few people – only 13 per cent of adults – agreed with the  statement ‘humans are purely material beings with no spiritual element.’”
  • He also said there is an evolutionary purpose. “Social scientists have long  believed that the emotional depth and complexity of the human mind means that  mindful, self-aware people necessarily suffer from deep existential dread.  Spiritual beliefs evolved over thousands of years as nature’s way to help us  balance this out and go on functioning. If a loved one dies, even many  anti-religious people usually feel a need for a farewell ritual, complete with  readings from old books and intoned declarations that are not unlike  prayers.”
  • Literature supports the idea, he argues: “It appears that stories exist to  establish that there exists a mechanism or a person – cosmic destiny, karma,  God, fate, Mother Nature – to make sure the right thing happens to the right  person. Without this overarching moral mechanism, narratives become records of  unrelated arbitrary events, and lose much of their entertainment value.”

 

And where does atheism fit?

 

“Albert Einstein, who had a life-long fascination with metaphysics, believed  atheism came from a mistaken belief that harmful superstition and a general  belief in religious or mystical experience were the same thing, missing the fact  that evolution would discard unhelpful beliefs and foster the growth of helpful  ones. He declared himself ‘not a ‘Freethinker’ in the usual sense of the word  because I find that this is in the main an attitude nourished exclusively by an  opposition against naive superstition.’”

 

“We may be fooling ourselves if we think that we are making the key decisions  about what we believe, and if we think we know how deeply our views pervade our  consciousnesses,” Vittachi writes. “It further suggests that the difference  between the atheist and the non-atheist viewpoint is much smaller than probably  either side perceives. Both groups have consciousnesses which create for  themselves realities which include very similar tangible and intangible  elements. It may simply be that their awareness levels and interpretations of  certain surface details differ.”

 

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http://www.wnd.com/2014/07/sci...sts-might-not-exist/

 

 

 

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quote:  Originally Posted by INVICTUS:

There are people that believe in God until they don't.  And those that didn't until they did.  Some people can't remember when they ever did believe in God and many can't tell you a time in their life when they didn't believe.  But to claim they have never existed is some what of a stretch.

Vic, my Friend,

 

Can ANYONE truly say that they have never believed in God?   Unless a person has always considered himself/herself the absolute center of the universe -- that person has to believe in God. 

 

They may call Him something else, i.e., the Great Spirit, a power bigger that me, the power of the universe, etc.   But, any rational person will always believe is some power greater than himself/herself.

 

We Christians know that power is God.  Atheists believe it is the universe, a big bang, evolution -- or at least they will cling to one or more of those beliefs -- because those they can ignore.  God they cannot ignore. 

 

So, like the bogeyman under the bed -- they keep telling themselves, "He is not there!   He is not there!   He is not there!"  And, for some they actually convince themselves, to some degree, that He is not there.

 

But, He is!  And one day ALL of us WILL stand before Him in judgment -- heaven or hell.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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quote:  Originally Posted by Bestworking:

I had to see who this comfort guy is, and, as suspected, he is an idiot! LOL!!

Jennifer Best, my Friend,

 

You tell us that Ray Comfort, Christian evangelist, is an idiot because he wrote the book “God  Doesn’t Believe in Atheists.”

 

But, I am curious.  If he had been an atheist who wrote a book titled "Atheists Don’t Believe in God” -- would he then have been a genius?

 

Not biased or prejudiced, are you?

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Devil Was Once An Angel

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Isn't Ray Comfort the guy who teamed up with Kirk Cameron to show that bananas were created by God as the perfect food for humans?  What an idiot.  Those two morons used a modern day banana - the product of centuries of hybridization, which looks nothing like a banana from Biblical times. 

 

It's no wonder Bill is in his corner.  They share the same IQ.

Crusty, my Friend,

 

You tell us, "Isn't Ray Comfort the guy who teamed up with Kirk Cameron to show that bananas were created by God as the perfect food for humans?  What an idiot.  Those two morons used a modern day banana - the product of centuries of hybridization, which looks nothing like a banana from Biblical times."

 

Let me call upon your extensive knowledge.  What did a banana look like in Biblical times?

 

Inquiring minds want to know.  Or, are you just huffing and puffing, blowing smoke?

 

Trying to help you out (how did you get in?), I found this web site for you, but no bananas:

 

Foods of the Bible
Bible Foods with Scripture References

By

http://christianity.about.com/.../foodsofthebible.htm

 

Have you always wanted to prepare a biblical feast? Perhaps you'd just like to learn more about the different foods mentioned in the Bible. This complete "grocery list" includes spices, fruits, vegetables, grains, fish, fowl, meats and other foods and drinks of the Bible. Scripture references are provided for each of the Bible foods.

Fruits and Nuts

  • Apples (Song of Solomon 2:5)
  • Almonds (Genesis 43:11; Numbers 17:8)
  • Dates (2 Samuel 6:19; 1 Chronicles 16:3)
  • Figs (Nehemiah 13:15; Jeremiah 24:1-3)
  • Grapes (Leviticus 19:10; Deuteronomy 23:24)
  • Melons (Numbers 11:5; Isaiah 1:8)
  • Olives (Isaiah 17:6; Micah 6:15)
  • Pistachio Nuts (Genesis 43:11)
  • Pomegranates (Numbers 20:5; Deuteronomy 8:8)

Crusty, my Friend, can you tell me if these are modern bananas -- or Biblical bananas?

 Bananas

 

Bless your little heart!

 

Bill

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Vic, my Friend,

 

I can see why you copy/paste so much.  When you attempt to write anything more that your PERIOD -- all you can accomplish is a mangled mess of childish and inane ranting.   So, maybe you should just rest your brain from the horrible exercise of attempting to write three comprehensive sentences -- and just stick to your PERIOD copy/pasting.

 

Bless your little PERIOD heart!

 

Bill

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Originally Posted by CrustyMac:

Isn't Ray Comfort the guy who teamed up with Kirk Cameron to show that bananas were created by God as the perfect food for humans?  What an idiot.  Those two morons used a modern day banana - the product of centuries of hybridization, which looks nothing like a banana from Biblical times. 

 

It's no wonder Bill is in his corner.  They share the same IQ.

Jennifer Best, my Friend,

 

I offer you the same question I gave to our infantile Friend:

 

Crusty, my Friend,

 

You tell us, "Isn't Ray Comfort the guy who teamed up with Kirk Cameron to show that bananas were created by God as the perfect food for humans?  What an idiot.  Those two morons used a modern day banana - the product of centuries of hybridization, which looks nothing like a banana from Biblical times."

 

Let me call upon your extensive knowledge.  What did a banana look like in Biblical times?

 

Inquiring minds want to know.  Or, are you just huffing and puffing, blowing smoke?

 

Trying to help you out (how did you get in?), I found this web site for you, but no bananas:

 

Foods of the Bible
Bible Foods with Scripture References

By

http://christianity.about.com/.../foodsofthebible.htm

 

Have you always wanted to prepare a biblical feast? Perhaps you'd just like to learn more about the different foods mentioned in the Bible. This complete "grocery list" includes spices, fruits, vegetables, grains, fish, fowl, meats and other foods and drinks of the Bible. Scripture references are provided for each of the Bible foods.

Fruits and Nuts

  • Apples (Song of Solomon 2:5)
  • Almonds (Genesis 43:11; Numbers 17:8)
  • Dates (2 Samuel 6:19; 1 Chronicles 16:3)
  • Figs (Nehemiah 13:15; Jeremiah 24:1-3)
  • Grapes (Leviticus 19:10; Deuteronomy 23:24)
  • Melons (Numbers 11:5; Isaiah 1:8)
  • Olives (Isaiah 17:6; Micah 6:15)
  • Pistachio Nuts (Genesis 43:11)
  • Pomegranates (Numbers 20:5; Deuteronomy 8:8)

Crusty, my Friend, can you tell me if these are modern bananas -- or Biblical bananas?

 Bananas

Bless your little atheist heart!

 

Bill

Originally Posted by Bestworking:
Originally Posted by CrustyMac:

Isn't Ray Comfort the guy who teamed up with Kirk Cameron to show that bananas were created by God as the perfect food for humans?  What an idiot.  Those two morons used a modern day banana - the product of centuries of hybridization, which looks nothing like a banana from Biblical times. 

 

It's no wonder Bill is in his corner.  They share the same IQ.

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Vic said

Banana brain just used this phrase "Trying to help you out (how did you get in"

for the 47th time. If bananas were created by God as the perfect food, why

create food beyond that one? Is God wasteful or what.............. 

(Just trying to help the troll out, how did the pathetic snapperhead get in..??)

 

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I guess you know Best, troll breath has to come out of his coffin at 5am

to lie about what has been written which is none of his business.

Does this mean extended nap time, or does he just go home to crash?

 

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Crusty, my Friend,

 

You tell us, "Isn't Ray Comfort the guy who teamed up with Kirk Cameron to show that bananas were created by God as the perfect food for humans?  What an idiot.  Those two morons used a modern day banana - the product of centuries of hybridization, which looks nothing like a banana from Biblical times."

 

Let me call upon your extensive knowledge.  What did a banana look like in Biblical times?

 

 

Bill

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LOL!!!  So if a food isn't mentioned in the Bible, it didn't exist?  LOL!!!!!  What an idiot.

 

Google is your friend, Bill. 

 

Link about the history of bananas

 

Ignorance really is bliss for you, isn't it Bill?

 

Here is a Kleenex to wipe the drool off your chin.

 

 

bill kleenex

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Crusty, my Friend,

 

No one is questioning that the banana existed in Biblical days.  However that was not the point YOU have tried to make.

 

You said, 'Those two morons used a modern day banana - the product of centuries of hybridization, which looks nothing like a banana from Biblical times."

 

And, I asked you, "Let me call upon your extensive knowledge.  What did a banana look like in Biblical times?"

 

It is obvious from your statement that YOU know that a banana was different in those days -- and what a banana looked like in Biblical days.

 

So, I am asking you, "What did a banana look like in Biblical times?"

 

Either you have an answer -- or as usual, you are huffing and puffing, blowing smoke, and have no idea what you are saying.  Which fits for me.

 

Bless your little huffing and puffing heart!

 

Bill

quote:   Originally Posted by INVICTUS:

Why would anybody except a troll get so BENT out of shape over a phallic shaped food...??? 

Vic, my Friend,

 

Very interesting that YOU should view the banana as a phallic symbol.  Is there something YOU are trying to tell us?  Inquiring minds want to know.

 

Bless your little phallic heart!

 

Bill

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quote:   Originally Posted by INVICTUS:

Why would anybody except a troll get so BENT out of shape over a phallic shaped food...??? 

Vic, my Friend,

 

Very interesting that YOU should view the banana as a phallic symbol.  Is there something YOU are trying to tell us?  Inquiring minds want to know.

 

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You're the one that let everyone know you're out of the bisexual closet.

Now you've made yourself the defender of the banana and all things

phallic in shape. Dory being a guy's name I've wonder sometimes............

But hey, you like what you like and you are what you like.

 

 

 

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Crusty, my Friend,

 

No one is questioning that the banana existed in Biblical days.  However that was not the point YOU have tried to make.

 

You said, 'Those two morons used a modern day banana - the product of centuries of hybridization, which looks nothing like a banana from Biblical times."

 

And, I asked you, "Let me call upon your extensive knowledge.  What did a banana look like in Biblical times?"

 

It is obvious from your statement that YOU know that a banana was different in those days -- and what a banana looked like in Biblical days.

 

So, I am asking you, "What did a banana look like in Biblical times?"

 

Either you have an answer -- or as usual, you are huffing and puffing, blowing smoke, and have no idea what you are saying.  Which fits for me.

 

Bless your little huffing and puffing heart!

 

Bill

_____________

 

I posted a link for you.  Read it, dumbass.

 

 

Bill jackass

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quote:  Originally Posted by CrustyMac:
quote: Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Crusty, my Friend,

 

No one is questioning that the banana existed in Biblical days.  However that was not the point YOU have tried to make.

 

You said, 'Those two morons used a modern day banana - the product of centuries of hybridization, which looks nothing like a banana from Biblical times."

 

And, I asked you, "Let me call upon your extensive knowledge.  What did a banana look like in Biblical times?"

 

It is obvious from your statement that YOU know that a banana was different in those days -- and what a banana looked like in Biblical days.

 

So, I am asking you, "What did a banana look like in Biblical times?"

 

Either you have an answer -- or as usual, you are huffing and puffing, blowing smoke, and have no idea what you are saying.  Which fits for me.

 

Bless your little huffing and puffing heart!    Bill

I posted a link for you.  Read it, dumbass. 

Crusty, my Friend,

 

I love the way you atheists dialogue!  Duh!

 

With that level of intelligence, I am surprised humans are not still living in caves.

 

Bless your little caveman heart!

 

Bill

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