I loved Alf.
Peace Dwight.
quote:Originally posted by b50m:
Odd that Bill loved your website, Dwight, until he discovered you were Mormon.
Hi B,
I did visit his blog. But, as soon as I saw it is a Mormon blog -- I left. It was that and his explanation that one must go back 65 blogs and read forward. Whoa! My writings may tend to be long -- but, to tell folks to go back to my very first post and read forward? No thank you.
Yes, I do read Mormon information. I have quite a few books from the Mormon church and about the Mormon church in my personal library -- including the writings of Mormon church leaders. So, I am not adverse to reading their material -- since I know who and what they are -- and what they are not -- they are not Christian, regardless of the name on their church.
God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,
Bill
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quote:Originally posted by b50m:
Mormonism has been and continues to be criticized by some Christian fundamentalists because of its peculiar beliefs and doctrines. Although many of the doctrines do strongly distinguish Mormonism from any other Christian faith, the belief that Jesus of Nazareth is the Christ, the Lord and Savior of all mankind, includes Mormonism in Christianity.
Hi B,
The Jesus Christ of the Mormon church is NOT the Jesus Christ of the Bible. Our Jesus Christ is deity, the preexisting God the Son.
Their Jesus Christ is a created being, like the angels and us -- and is the spirit brother of Lucifer/Satan. Not my Jesus Christ.
God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,
Bill
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quote:Originally posted by C.O.B.R.A.:
The real name is The church of JESUS CHRIST. The "of LATTER DAY Saints", was added to differentiate between the original organization Jesus Christ started in Bibical times and this restoration by Jesus Christ ,of His original organization, in our day and age, hence, The church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter Day saints.
Dwight
Hi Dwight,
So, let's clear the air. Is YOUR Jesus Christ deity, the same deity given us in John 1:1-5?
Is YOUR Jesus Christ the preexisting Son of God?
Or, is YOUR Jesus Christ a created being?
Who, specifically, is YOUR Jesus Christ?
Let's test your answers against the writings of the Presidents of your church.
God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,
Bill
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quote:Originally posted by C.O.B.R.A.:
Again, These are not BELIEFS, they are knowledge. I now challenge each reader in here to do as James 1:5 tells us to and ask God in the name of Jesus Christ if these things I have written are true And He WILL answer you by the power of the Holy Ghost and by the power of the Holy Ghost ye may KNOW.The TRUTH of ALL. things!
I asked, I must still be on hold.
quote:Originally posted by House of David:quote:Originally posted by thenagel:
Oh yay.
another is mary the mother of god thread.
next i think we are due for a rehashing of 'once saved always saved' and 'is baptism necessary'.
i think next week we have scheduled another round of 'did god make people gay,' and 'why jesus hates haircuts.
stay tuned for the repetative repetition competitive competition, sponsored by the department of redundancy department, live on the here we go again network.
Nagle,
I don't know if you meant to be funny, but your post always crack me up and make me smile.
sometiems yes, sometiems no...
but often, even when discussing something deadly serious, there is no reason to not throw in somethign to lighten the mood a touch.
it's a few of the rules i live by-
1. don't sweat the petty things
2. don't pet the sweaty things.
3. it's all petty things.
4. if you can't laugh about it, it isn't worth the time to think about it.
there is to much serious in this world.. and it's all over in a flash. time is to short to take yourself or anyone else seriously. if there is a subject you ( in general, not you personally) think is to sacred and important to make fun of.. you need to lighten up and get out more.
is religion to important to poke fun at?religion? HA. one mans faith is the next mans belly laugh.
politics? PUH-LEASE.. those people can't even keep track of who they are supposed to be screwing over anymore.
so, my goal is entertain myself - when it stops being entertaining it stops being worth spend time on.
this forum is rapidly becoming not with the time. same old crap, same old words, same old arguments, same old people making the same old points.
it's to the point now, i'd bet next weeks lunch money that any one of us regulars could take the point of any of the other regulars and use the same arguments for or against a position they would use themself.
i know veep could spout thebill just as well as he can...b50m could prolly do me pretty easy (hush you perverts, you know what i meant) and i could prolly do a convincing jank or billy joe.
it's losing the fun factor, fast.
so, i'm just gonna entertain myself. if i entertain others, even better, but i'm only responsible for my own amusement.
so in the mean time.. lighten up, smile a little more, and remember - it's all a pretty big joke that we havn't been told the punchline to yet, because i'm pretty sure the joke is about us...
so find the funny....
watch christopher titus's stand up. watch robin williams and eddie izzard. live love and laugh a little while you still have the time
As the great Sidney Freedman once said -
"Ladies and gentlemen, take my advice, pull down your pants and slide on the ice."
quote:Originally posted by Bill Gray:
Hi David,
Yes, you have quoted a lot of Scripture -- but, not one single verse which calls Mary the Mother of God. The one where you try to make the allusion of this, Luke 1:39-45, makes absolutely no mention of Mary as the Mother of God.
All the other Scripture passages -- and your accompanying comments -- are true. However, not a single one show Mary as the Mother of God.
You try to bombard us with lots of Scripture passages -- hoping we will just take your word that these prove Mary to be the Mother of God and the Queen of Heaven. But, you have given zero proof and have proven nothing.
David, using the Bible, you CANNOT prove Mary to be the Mother of God, nor that she was conceived without sin, nor that she went into heaven without dying -- for NONE of these are Biblical. Mariology is NOT Biblical.
I did insert two comments in red text just to explain away your allusions.
God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,
Bill
You mention Matthew. How about Matthew 1:18 (from the KJV but they all read pretty much the same)?
Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
quote:Originally posted by Bill Gray:
Hi Dwight,
So, let's clear the air. Is YOUR Jesus Christ deity, the same deity given us in John 1:1-5?
Is YOUR Jesus Christ the preexisting Son of God?
Or, is YOUR Jesus Christ a created being?
Who, specifically, is YOUR Jesus Christ?
Let's test your answers against the writings of the Presidents of your church.
God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,
Bill
So, when the Word becomes flesh, isn't that the "creation" of an earthly being? Go ahead and argue the semantics, but that is all it will be.
Your intolerance of other Christian sects is very unchristian.
Have a blissed day, Bill.
quote:Originally posted by Bill Gray:
Hi Jan,
If I am in a discussion and ALL of the other participants are female -- and then I say that many females disagreed with me -- does this make me a male chauvinist? No, it just means that I have addressed the facts as they are at that time.
And, in this discussion, since all of my Roman Catholic Friends happen to be female -- and they are joined by you and B50 -- if I say that the ladies are disagreeing with me; does this make me a male chauvinist? No. Once again, I am just addressing the facts.
Y'all have a wonderful day and God bless you,
Bill
The facts are that to demean other men you call them "ladies". Obviously you think women are inferior to men. It matches with your cult's take on women in general. Why deny it? Embrace it, Bill. The Bible says they are inferior, they must be so.
Have another Blissed day.
quote:Originally posted by thenagel:
it's to the point now, i'd bet next weeks lunch money that any one of us regulars could take the point of any of the other regulars and use the same arguments for or against a position they would use themself.
So true, except for buffalo. Who knows what he will say next?
Bill, your getting way to complex for yourself and tripping yourself up. God wants ALL His children to return to Him, therefore, He Gave instructions to ALL the people all over the world, through their prophets. ALL the prophets from all over the world were told to WRITE. Remember, GOD IS THE SAME TO ALL PEOPLE. Now, you only have the record of the Jews. Its called the Bible. If you go to my blog and read post 69 it talks all about you. As for you quit reading my blog because you had to read too much I will straight up call you a liar on that point because as much as you search the internet to get material to slam the people around in here, you would gladly read ALL my posts to find wrongness in it so you could slam me around in here. Bill, you quit reading my blog because it is full of GODS TRUTH and it shakes the very foundation of what you want to believe is true. The Bible, Bill, you know why it is so unclear in its teachings? Because it has been changed over the years by bad men and because it has gone through so many translations. The book of Mormon another testiment of Jesus Christ is Gods teachings to the people that came from Israel and lived on the American Continent. They are the same teachings that were in the Bible till it was corrupted by man. God knew man would do that to the Bible so He prepared a second book, un corrupted by man to be a second witness to our Savior Jesus Christ. The two books go hand in hand as a witness of Him. Ya see, one of our standard works IS the KJV of the Bible. We believe the Bible to be the true word of God as far as it is translated correctly. The BOM another testiment of Jesus Christ CLARIFIES jumbled up doctrines in the Bible. Being as I know you are un teachable I will go no further with you. To the person on hold,(Crusty ), go read my post on recognizing answers to your prayers 68 and post 70 about learning by the Holy Ghost. http://cherokeesrealcobra.blogspot.com
Dwight
Dwight
Holy Smoke! *cue the 'twilight zone theme*
quote:Originally posted by Tomme73:quote:Originally posted by House of David:quote:Originally posted by Tomme73:
I guess all of Mary's other children were miracle babies, too! Jesus was her "firstborn Son," not her ONLY Son. Give me a break!
As has often been pointed out, Aramaic had no word for "cousin," so the word for brother was used in its place.
Desperation, maybe? It seems especially desperate to me, since the books of the New Testament were written in GREEK. The Greek word for cousin is "anepsios." The Greek word for brother is "adelphos." Also, when men who penned the parts of the Bible that were written in Aramaic wanted to differentiate between "brother" and other "relatives", they wrote "brother" and "relatives." If they had meant "cousins" but had no word for it, they would have used their word for "relatives" as they did in Ezekiel 11:15.
You can point all you like, but as long as you're pointing in the wrong direction, I'll continue to point you in the right direction.
House of David, you never responded to this one. Did you miss it or are you at a loss for an argument against factual information?
quote:Originally posted by C.O.B.R.A.:
Bill, your getting way to complex for yourself and tripping yourself up. God wants ALL His children to return to Him, therefore, He Gave instructions to ALL the people all over the world, through their prophets. ALL the prophets from all over the world were told to WRITE. Remember, GOD IS THE SAME TO ALL PEOPLE. Now, you only have the record of the Jews. Its called the Bible. If you go to my blog and read post 69 it talks all about you. As for you quit reading my blog because you had to read too much I will straight up call you a liar on that point because as much as you search the internet to get material to slam the people around in here, you would gladly read ALL my posts to find wrongness in it so you could slam me around in here. Bill, you quit reading my blog because it is full of GODS TRUTH and it shakes the very foundation of what you want to believe is true. The Bible, Bill, you know why it is so unclear in its teachings? Because it has been changed over the years by bad men and because it has gone through so many translations. The book of Mormon another testiment of Jesus Christ is Gods teachings to the people that came from Israel and lived on the American Continent. They are the same teachings that were in the Bible till it was corrupted by man. God knew man would do that to the Bible so He prepared a second book, un corrupted by man to be a second witness to our Savior Jesus Christ. The two books go hand in hand as a witness of Him. Ya see, one of our standard works IS the KJV of the Bible. We believe the Bible to be the true word of God as far as it is translated correctly. The BOM another testiment of Jesus Christ CLARIFIES jumbled up doctrines in the Bible. Being as I know you are un teachable I will go no further with you. To the person on hold,(Crusty ), go read my post on recognizing answers to your prayers 68 and post 70 about learning by the Holy Ghost. http://cherokeesrealcobra.blogspot.com
Dwight
Cobra,
I kinda like you Mormon dudes.
I have the gift of prophesy myself.
Quite a gimmick you got there.
Too bad all you Mormons are going to hell; not being COC and all.
[COBRAquote]To the person on hold,(Crusty[/quote]
Crusty is of this world; only, at certain hours of the day. You may get a busy(phone off the hook).
Crusty is of this world; only, at certain hours of the day. You may get a busy(phone off the hook).
quote:Originally posted by C.O.B.R.A.:
Well well well, hmmmm, Bill, you got some things right but have stumbled over a few. The same for the rest of you. Lets put aside names of religious organizations for a few minutes. Bill, you are good at locating things on the net that back your BELIEFS. Having a belief does not make it true. A belief is just that, a belief. Now what you should be working towards in a religious matter, is a SURE KNOWLEDGE of any given religious principle. This can only be obtained by following James 1:5.
When you receive a SURE KNOWLEDGE of something by the POWER OF THE HOLY GHOST, you no longer need a belief of that thing. A Holy Ghost witnessed sure knowledge of something ALWAYS trumps a belief. Now as for the Catholics and those religions that broke from them, people, you cannot think that everything in those religions are true. So many join a religion and accept everything it teaches as true WITHOUT ASKING GOD ABOUT EACH ISSUE AND TEACHING. There is trouble in doing this. I will now take some time to share a few things I know as sure knowledge truths.
Mary IS the mother of Jesus Christ the first born son of God in the flesh.
Jesus Christ IS the Son of God but He is also the God of the old testiment. The word God being used as a title.
Jesus Christ is the Reedemer and Savior of us all, and there are four basics that Will get you into heaven. 1 Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. 2. Repentance. 3 . Baptism by Immersion by one having the power and authority from God and 4. Laying on of hands for the receiving of the Holy Ghost, by one having the power and authority to do so from God.
Again, These are not BELIEFS, they are knowledge. I now challenge each reader in here to do as James 1:5 tells us to and ask God in the name of Jesus Christ if these things I have written are true And He WILL answer you by the power of the Holy Ghost and by the power of the Holy Ghost ye may KNOW.The TRUTH of ALL. things! It really works. And to you Athiest out there, you might no want to try it because He WILL answer you then that will blow your whole athiest thing! :0)
Dwight
Listen up, C.O.B.R.A. The passage you purport to cite, James 1:5, does not assert that we can use God as some kind of divine encyclopedia. Here is how YOU purport to represent that verse:
"James 1:5 tells us to and ask God in the name of Jesus Christ if these things I have written are true And He WILL answer you by the power of the Holy Ghost and by the power of the Holy Ghost ye may KNOW.The TRUTH of ALL things!"
Now HERE is what the verse actually says, C.O.B.R.A.:
"If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him."
Your false representation of James 1:5 entirely omits the apostle's reference to"wisdom," C.O.B.R.A.
What gives here, C.O.B.R.A.?? Why is there such a vast difference in the way you represent that scripture and the way it actually appears in the Bible? I know why, and you do, too, C.O.B.R.A. What you have done is to slither in here and try to deceive readers of this forum into believing that the passage cited reads the way you would LIKE it to read. As bastardized by you, it reflects an aspect of your Mormon theology that you would like to propagate to the unwitting.
Well, that won't work on me, C.O.B.R.A., because I am intimately familiar with the Mormon teaching concerning inquiries to the Lord for confirmation of the teaching of by Joseph Smith. Mormons are taught to pray to God and ask Him to confirm in their hearts that the Book of Mormon is true and that Joseph Smith is a prophet of God. Here is an example of what the BOM says with regard to this teaching of your cult:
"Behold, I would exhort you that when ye shall read these things, if it be wisdom in God that ye should read them, that ye would remember how merciful the Lord hath been unto the children of men, from the creation of Adam even down until the time that ye shall receive these things, and ponder it in your hearts.
And when ye shall receive these things, I would exhort you that ye would ask God, the Eternal Father, in the name of Christ, if these things are not true; and if ye shall ask with a sincere heart, with real intent, having faith in Christ, he will manifest the truth of it unto you, by the power of the Holy Ghost. And by the power of the Holy Ghost ye may know the truth of all things."
From this it should be obvious that you have purposely distorted James 1:5 in an attempt to torque it into agreement with the Book if Mormon.
I have had discussions with numerous Mormons and have showed them indisputable evidence of the falsity of the Book of Mormon and of the inconsistency of the teaching of Ole Joe Smith, and when backed up on these matters and unable to form any sensible answer, they just tell me that they have prayed to God and He has told them that the BOM is true and Smith is a prophet and that is enough for them. They are just as intellectually dishonest as you are, C.O.B.R.A., and they are relying not on "wisdom," of which James speaks, but on their emotions, which is a reliance on something that can be legal tender for a ticket to hell.
C.O.B.R.A., if you have any integrity, you will apologize to this forum for the sleazy trick you have tried to pull here. How shameful to distort the words of Holy Scripture as egregiously as you have done!
quote:Originally posted by buffalo:quote:Originally posted by C.O.B.R.A.:
Bill, your getting way to complex for yourself and tripping yourself up. God wants ALL His children to return to Him, therefore, He Gave instructions to ALL the people all over the world, through their prophets. ALL the prophets from all over the world were told to WRITE. Remember, GOD IS THE SAME TO ALL PEOPLE. Now, you only have the record of the Jews. Its called the Bible. If you go to my blog and read post 69 it talks all about you. As for you quit reading my blog because you had to read too much I will straight up call you a liar on that point because as much as you search the internet to get material to slam the people around in here, you would gladly read ALL my posts to find wrongness in it so you could slam me around in here. Bill, you quit reading my blog because it is full of GODS TRUTH and it shakes the very foundation of what you want to believe is true. The Bible, Bill, you know why it is so unclear in its teachings? Because it has been changed over the years by bad men and because it has gone through so many translations. The book of Mormon another testiment of Jesus Christ is Gods teachings to the people that came from Israel and lived on the American Continent. They are the same teachings that were in the Bible till it was corrupted by man. God knew man would do that to the Bible so He prepared a second book, un corrupted by man to be a second witness to our Savior Jesus Christ. The two books go hand in hand as a witness of Him. Ya see, one of our standard works IS the KJV of the Bible. We believe the Bible to be the true word of God as far as it is translated correctly. The BOM another testiment of Jesus Christ CLARIFIES jumbled up doctrines in the Bible. Being as I know you are un teachable I will go no further with you. To the person on hold,(Crusty ), go read my post on recognizing answers to your prayers 68 and post 70 about learning by the Holy Ghost. http://cherokeesrealcobra.blogspot.com
Dwight
Cobra,
I kinda like you Mormon dudes.
I have the gift of prophesy myself.
Quite a gimmick you got there.
Too bad all you Mormons are going to hell; not being COC and all.
You're being sarcastic right? You aren't really make a broad sweeping judgment that all mormons (LDS) are going to hell......
quote:Originally posted by Tomme73:quote:Originally posted by Tomme73:quote:Originally posted by House of David:quote:Originally posted by Tomme73:
I guess all of Mary's other children were miracle babies, too! Jesus was her "firstborn Son," not her ONLY Son. Give me a break!
As has often been pointed out, Aramaic had no word for "cousin," so the word for brother was used in its place.
Desperation, maybe? It seems especially desperate to me, since the books of the New Testament were written in GREEK. The Greek word for cousin is "anepsios." The Greek word for brother is "adelphos." Also, when men who penned the parts of the Bible that were written in Aramaic wanted to differentiate between "brother" and other "relatives", they wrote "brother" and "relatives." If they had meant "cousins" but had no word for it, they would have used their word for "relatives" as they did in Ezekiel 11:15.
You can point all you like, but as long as you're pointing in the wrong direction, I'll continue to point you in the right direction.
House of David, you never responded to this one. Did you miss it or are you at a loss for an argument against factual information?
Tommie73,
I saw it, and I disagree with you.
I was just apathetic towards your remark and didn't respond to you. No Biggie...
quote:Originally posted by beternU:
How shameful to distort the words of Holy Scripture as egregiously as you have done in the effort to peddle your cultic doctrines to the unwary!
speak for yourself! im perfectly wary of all those who profess absolute knowledge of fairy tales. you an cobra speak in tongues with equal nonsensity!
quote:Sez CrustyMac:
I asked, I must still be on hold.
You halfwit...don't you know nowadays you have to "Press #1" for "regular" and #2. for "occasionally call in"...
You probably got Customer Service in Karachi...
quote:Originally posted by Unobtanium:quote:Originally posted by beternU:
How shameful to distort the words of Holy Scripture as egregiously as you have done in the effort to peddle your cultic doctrines to the unwary!
speak for yourself! im perfectly wary of all those who profess absolute knowledge of fairy tales. you an cobra speak in tongues with equal nonsensity!
Grow up, yourself. But if you want to remain in a state of puerile oblivion and accept such blatant tampering with scripture as C.O.B.R.A. has perpetrated, then be my guest!
And Unob, next time you post, try to put up something with substance. Anyone can post ad hominem insults; it takes a bit of intelligence to apply locic to a subject and form up a credible response.
quote:Sez rp:
Holy Smoke! *cue the 'twilight zone theme*
I dunno...I was thinking more like...
"Picture yourself in a boat on a river...
With tangerine trees, and marmalade skies...
Somebody calls you, you answer quite slowly...
A girl with kaleidoscope eyes..."
quote:Originally posted by House of David:quote:Originally posted by Tomme73:quote:Originally posted by Tomme73:quote:Originally posted by House of David:quote:Originally posted by Tomme73:
I guess all of Mary's other children were miracle babies, too! Jesus was her "firstborn Son," not her ONLY Son. Give me a break!
As has often been pointed out, Aramaic had no word for "cousin," so the word for brother was used in its place.
Desperation, maybe? It seems especially desperate to me, since the books of the New Testament were written in GREEK. The Greek word for cousin is "anepsios." The Greek word for brother is "adelphos." Also, when men who penned the parts of the Bible that were written in Aramaic wanted to differentiate between "brother" and other "relatives", they wrote "brother" and "relatives." If they had meant "cousins" but had no word for it, they would have used their word for "relatives" as they did in Ezekiel 11:15.
You can point all you like, but as long as you're pointing in the wrong direction, I'll continue to point you in the right direction.
House of David, you never responded to this one. Did you miss it or are you at a loss for an argument against factual information?
Tommie73,
I saw it, and I disagree with you.
I was just apathetic towards your remark and didn't respond to you. No Biggie...
How can you disagree with FACTS??? New Testament = written mostly in Greek, a language that DOES have a word for "cousin." Wait. I remember now. Tradition is more your thing. My bad.
Sorry YOU see it that way, ISN'T THERE WISDOM IN KNOWING TRUTH? All I can say is I follow James 1:5 in every aspect of my life AND IT WORKS! As for using God as an encyclopedia WHO ELSE SHOULD I LOOK TO FOR KNOWLEDGE AND TRUTH? a human? Ask God about everything! You becha! HE ALWAYS ANSWERS ME!
Nothing to apologize for here, truth IS truth. Go pray and ask God for answers and truth about everything, therein is great wisdom. Try it, your life may just get better!
Dwight
Nothing to apologize for here, truth IS truth. Go pray and ask God for answers and truth about everything, therein is great wisdom. Try it, your life may just get better!
Dwight
quote:Originally posted by beternU:quote:Originally posted by C.O.B.R.A.:
Well well well, hmmmm, Bill, you got some things right but have stumbled over a few. The same for the rest of you. Lets put aside names of religious organizations for a few minutes. Bill, you are good at locating things on the net that back your BELIEFS. Having a belief does not make it true. A belief is just that, a belief. Now what you should be working towards in a religious matter, is a SURE KNOWLEDGE of any given religious principle. This can only be obtained by following James 1:5.
When you receive a SURE KNOWLEDGE of something by the POWER OF THE HOLY GHOST, you no longer need a belief of that thing. A Holy Ghost witnessed sure knowledge of something ALWAYS trumps a belief. Now as for the Catholics and those religions that broke from them, people, you cannot think that everything in those religions are true. So many join a religion and accept everything it teaches as true WITHOUT ASKING GOD ABOUT EACH ISSUE AND TEACHING. There is trouble in doing this. I will now take some time to share a few things I know as sure knowledge truths.
Mary IS the mother of Jesus Christ the first born son of God in the flesh.
Jesus Christ IS the Son of God but He is also the God of the old testiment. The word God being used as a title.
Jesus Christ is the Reedemer and Savior of us all, and there are four basics that Will get you into heaven. 1 Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. 2. Repentance. 3 . Baptism by Immersion by one having the power and authority from God and 4. Laying on of hands for the receiving of the Holy Ghost, by one having the power and authority to do so from God.
Again, These are not BELIEFS, they are knowledge. I now challenge each reader in here to do as James 1:5 tells us to and ask God in the name of Jesus Christ if these things I have written are true And He WILL answer you by the power of the Holy Ghost and by the power of the Holy Ghost ye may KNOW.The TRUTH of ALL. things! It really works. And to you Athiest out there, you might no want to try it because He WILL answer you then that will blow your whole athiest thing! :0)
Dwight
Listen up, C.O.B.R.A. The passage you purport to cite, James 1:5, does not assert that we can use God as some kind of divine encyclopedia. Here is how YOU purport to represent that verse:
"James 1:5 tells us to and ask God in the name of Jesus Christ if these things I have written are true And He WILL answer you by the power of the Holy Ghost and by the power of the Holy Ghost ye may KNOW.The TRUTH of ALL things!"
Now HERE is what the verse actually says, C.O.B.R.A.:
"If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him."
Your false representation of James 1:5 entirely omits the apostle's reference to"wisdom," C.O.B.R.A.
What gives here, C.O.B.R.A.?? Why is there such a vast difference in the way you represent that scripture and the way it actually appears in the Bible? I know why, and you do, too, C.O.B.R.A. What you have done is to slither in here and try to deceive readers of this forum into believing that the passage cited reads the way you would LIKE it to read. As bastardized by you, it reflects an aspect of your Mormon theology that you would like to propagate to the unwitting.
Well, that won't work on me, C.O.B.R.A., because I am intimately familiar with the Mormon teaching concerning inquiries to the Lord for confirmation of the teaching of by Joseph Smith. Mormons are taught to pray to God and ask Him to confirm in their hearts that the Book of Mormon is true and that Joseph Smith is a prophet of God. Here is an example of what the BOM says with regard to this teaching of your cult:
"Behold, I would exhort you that when ye shall read these things, if it be wisdom in God that ye should read them, that ye would remember how merciful the Lord hath been unto the children of men, from the creation of Adam even down until the time that ye shall receive these things, and ponder it in your hearts.
And when ye shall receive these things, I would exhort you that ye would ask God, the Eternal Father, in the name of Christ, if these things are not true; and if ye shall ask with a sincere heart, with real intent, having faith in Christ, he will manifest the truth of it unto you, by the power of the Holy Ghost. And by the power of the Holy Ghost ye may know the truth of all things."
From this it should be obvious that you have purposely distorted James 1:5 in an attempt to torque it into agreement with the Book if Mormon.
I have had discussions with numerous Mormons and have showed them indisputable evidence of the falsity of the Book of Mormon and of the inconsistency of the teaching of Ole Joe Smith, and when backed up on these matters and unable to form any sensible answer, they just tell me that they have prayed to God and He has told them that the BOM is true and Smith is a prophet and that is enough for them. They are just as intellectually dishonest as you are, C.O.B.R.A., and they are relying not on "wisdom," of which James speaks, but on their emotions, which is a reliance on something that can be legal tender for a ticket to hell.
C.O.B.R.A., if you have any integrity, you will apologize to this forum for the sleazy trick you have tried to pull here. How shameful to distort the words of Holy Scripture as egregiously as you have done!
quote:Originally posted by C.O.B.R.A.:
Bill, your getting way to complex for yourself and tripping yourself up. God wants ALL His children to return to Him, therefore, He Gave instructions to ALL the people all over the world, through their prophets. ALL the prophets from all over the world were told to WRITE. Remember, GOD IS THE SAME TO ALL PEOPLE. Now, you only have the record of the Jews. Its called the Bible. Dwight
Hi Dwight,
The picture you paint leaves me with the image of you in the kitchen, mixing bowl in front of you -- creating your own religion. First, you toss in a large supply of Mormonism, with its committee of gods; then miss in a created Jesus Christ in the image of Joseph Smith -- and, for flavor we add in a cup of Universalism from our friends over at the Universalist Unitarian church. And, since we have included our Unitarian friends in your religion recipe -- we have to include a teaspoon of their Humanist Manifesto which they helped create and write.
And, now you have your main dish for lunch -- a mixture of Mormonism, Universalism, and Secular Humanism. Don't forget to shake well before consuming -- for it surely will give you heartburn. It also offers a great deal of other heat; but, we will discuss that later.
In summary, my Friend -- you are dining on a great lunch of Cultism. Enjoy!
God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,
Bill
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Ouch not the cult word. You sound so much like BG. Go get your Funk and Wagnals and look up Cult. The way I read it's ALL RELIGIOUS GROUPS ARE CULTS!
I feel you are upset with the thing about us bearing our testimonies, I believe that is because you cannot argue about a persons personal testimony nor can you prove it false
Also, if you had one, obtained by following James 1:5 you wouldn't be so angry at someone for having something you don't. As for missrepresenting the Scripture, I'm glad you went and checked it out, shows you are interested. I do paraphrase at times but give the reference for you to get it word for word. Trying to misslead? No.
Go read my blog then pray and ask God if it's true, there is wisdom in In doing that. And what does James 1:5 say? If any of ye lack wisdom, ask of God?
Go do it ! Dwight
I feel you are upset with the thing about us bearing our testimonies, I believe that is because you cannot argue about a persons personal testimony nor can you prove it false
Also, if you had one, obtained by following James 1:5 you wouldn't be so angry at someone for having something you don't. As for missrepresenting the Scripture, I'm glad you went and checked it out, shows you are interested. I do paraphrase at times but give the reference for you to get it word for word. Trying to misslead? No.
Go read my blog then pray and ask God if it's true, there is wisdom in In doing that. And what does James 1:5 say? If any of ye lack wisdom, ask of God?
Go do it ! Dwight
quote:Tommie73,
I saw it, and I disagree with you.
I was just apathetic towards your remark and didn't respond to you. No Biggie...
How can you disagree with FACTS??? New Testament = written mostly in Greek, a language that DOES have a word for "cousin." Wait. I remember now. Tradition is more your thing. My bad.
Tomme, please consider that the use of "brother" was used and is used in more ways than boy offspring from same mother. lol.
like I could call you my "Brother" in Christ.
Right? Buffalo calls Bill Gray "Bro Bill"- and I don't believe they are related. Most of the Apostles letters (ie to the Corinthians, Phillipians, etc) are begun: Dear Brothers and Sisters.
So, we believe Mary was ever-virgin, and did not bear any other children.
You don't have to believe that- it changes nothing.
I stated my belief and I do not indoctrinate anyone. I don't think heaven is contingent on whether or not someone believes Jesus had blood brothers or not.
BILL, I can hardly believe my eyes, YOU EDITED my original post then put my name on the bottom. You left out the things I said about you and your philosophy of religion and why the Bible is confusing on some issues and much more. It's all om PAGE 4 Folks, for the original FULL INFORMATION POST, go back. Bill has added my name to a shortened version to make it's look like that is all I said. It is an out of context portion of a complete idea now appearing as a complete idea. QUITE DECEITFUL there Bill, your God tell you to do that?
IT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN SO BAD IF YOU TRANSFERED THE ENTIRE QUOTE, or if you transfered what you did. But when YOU put my name at the end of what you transferred and made it appear as if that were all i wrote, that was just satan following deciet on your part, And you present yourself in here as an all knowing MAN OF GOD.
IT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN SO BAD IF YOU TRANSFERED THE ENTIRE QUOTE, or if you transfered what you did. But when YOU put my name at the end of what you transferred and made it appear as if that were all i wrote, that was just satan following deciet on your part, And you present yourself in here as an all knowing MAN OF GOD.
quote:Originally posted by Bill Gray:quote:Originally posted by C.O.B.R.A.:
Bill, your getting way to complex for yourself and tripping yourself up. God wants ALL His children to return to Him, therefore, He Gave instructions to ALL the people all over the world, through their prophets. ALL the prophets from all over the world were told to WRITE. Remember, GOD IS THE SAME TO ALL PEOPLE. Now, you only have the record of the Jews. Its called the Bible. Dwight
Hi Dwight,
The picture you paint leaves me with the image of you in the kitchen, mixing bowl in front of you -- creating your own religion. First, you toss in a large supply of Mormonism, with its committee of gods; then miss in a created Jesus Christ in the image of Joseph Smith -- and, for flavor we add in a cup of Universalism from our friends over at the Universalist Unitarian church. And, since we have included our Unitarian friends in your religion recipe -- we have to include a teaspoon of their Humanist Manifesto which they helped create and write.
And, now you have your main dish for lunch -- a mixture of Mormonism, Universalism, and Secular Humanism. Don't forget to shake well before consuming -- for it surely will give you heartburn. It also offers a great deal of other heat; but, we will discuss that later.
In summary, my Friend -- you are dining on a great lunch of Cultism. Enjoy!
God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,
Bill
quote:Originally posted by Tomme73:
Tommie73,
I saw it, and I disagree with you.
I was just apathetic towards your remark and didn't respond to you. No Biggie...
HoD,
How can you disagree with FACTS??? New Testament = written mostly in Greek, a language that DOES have a word for "cousin." Wait. I remember now. Tradition is more your thing. My bad.[/QUOTE]
tom,
Tradition-
1 Cor 11:1-2 Be imitators of me, as I am of Christ. I praise you because you
remember me in everything and hold fast to the traditions, just as I handed them to you.
2 Thess 3:6-7 We instruct you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ
to shun any brother who conducts himself in a disorderly way and not according
to the tradition they receive from us.
2 Thess 2:14-15 to this end he has also called you through our gospel to
possess the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore, brothers, stand firm
and hold fast to the traditions that you were taught, either by a oral statement
or by a letter of ours.
Jn 21:25 There are also many other things that Jesus did, but if these were to be described individually, I do not think the whole world could could contain
the books that would be written.
Acts 20:34-35 You know very well these hands have served my needs and my
companions. In every way Ihave shown you by hard work of that sort we must
help the weak, and keep in mind the words of the Lord Jesus who himself said,
It is more blessed to give than to receive. (Jesus said this which is not
found in the gospels)
Rom 10:17 Faith comes from what is heard.
1Cor 15:1-2 Being saved if you hold fast to the word I preached.
2 Pet 1:20 No prophecy is a matter of private interpretation.
2 Pet 3:15-16 And consider the patience of our Lord as salvation, as our
beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, also wrote to
you, speaking of these things as he does in all his letters. In them there
are things that are hard to understand that the ignorant and unstable distort
to their own destruction, just as they do the other scripture.
Gifted,
I wanted to share with you this point;
Consider what happened at the foot of the cross. When he was dying, Jesus entrusted his mother to the apostle John (John 19:26–27). The Gospels mention four of his "brethren": James, Joseph, Simon, and Jude. It is hard to imagine why Jesus would have disregarded family ties and made this provision for his mother if these four were also her sons.
I wanted to share with you this point;
Consider what happened at the foot of the cross. When he was dying, Jesus entrusted his mother to the apostle John (John 19:26–27). The Gospels mention four of his "brethren": James, Joseph, Simon, and Jude. It is hard to imagine why Jesus would have disregarded family ties and made this provision for his mother if these four were also her sons.
and a very good point it is, HoD.
Also- remember when Mary and Joseph could not find Jesus- and travelled back to find him teaching- don't you think they would have mentioned siblings? There are few stories of Jesus' childhood, but a sibling and that relationship surely would have been hit on...
Also- remember when Mary and Joseph could not find Jesus- and travelled back to find him teaching- don't you think they would have mentioned siblings? There are few stories of Jesus' childhood, but a sibling and that relationship surely would have been hit on...
quote:Originally posted by Gifted Child:quote:Originally posted by Tomme73:quote:Originally posted by House of David:
Tommie73, I saw it, and I disagree with you. I was just apathetic towards your remark and didn't respond to you. No Biggie...
HoD, How can you disagree with FACTS??? New Testament = written mostly in Greek, a language that DOES have a word for "cousin." Wait. I remember now. Tradition is more your thing. My bad.
Tom, Tradition -
1 Cor 11:1-2 Be imitators of me, as I am of Christ. I praise you because you remember me in everything and hold fast to the traditions, just as I handed them to you.
2 Thess 3:6-7 We instruct you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ to shun any brother who conducts himself in a disorderly way and not according to the tradition they receive from us.
2 Thess 2:14-15 to this end he has also called you through our gospel to possess the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore, brothers, stand firm and hold fast to the traditions that you were taught, either by a oral statement or by a letter of ours.
Jn 21:25 There are also many other things that Jesus did, but if these were to be described individually, I do not think the whole world could could contain the books that would be written.
Acts 20:34-35 You know very well these hands have served my needs and my companions. In every way Ihave shown you by hard work of that sort we must help the weak, and keep in mind the words of the Lord Jesus who himself said, It is more blessed to give than to receive. (Jesus said this which is not found in the gospels)
Rom 10:17 Faith comes from what is heard.
1Cor 15:1-2 Being saved if you hold fast to the word I preached.
2 Pet 1:20 No prophecy is a matter of private interpretation.
2 Pet 3:15-16 And consider the patience of our Lord as salvation, as our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, also wrote to you, speaking of these things as he does in all his letters. In them there are things that are hard to understand that the ignorant and unstable distort to their own destruction, just as they do the other scripture.
Hi Child,
I will concede that the first three Scripture passages which you quote do use the word "traditions" -- which, in this context means only the oral teachings of the apostles and disciples. Those were needed UNTIL the Bible was finished. Once God had, through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, given us the Bible -- there was no more need for oral teachings or traditions. We now have the Bible which is God's full revelation to man for teaching in salvation and our daily Chrisitian walk.
Just as we no longer have prophets to declare the Word of God; we no longer rely upon oral teachings and traditions to give us the Word of God.
Yes, I know that your next question will be, "Well, Bill, if we no longer need oral teaching -- why do we have pastors and teachers?"
That is a valid question. We have learned pastors and teachers to explain what is written in God's Word and to lead us in studying God's Written Word. In other words, they are our guides. They do not replace or add to what is written in God's Word, the Bible.
Now, let's compare this to the Roman Catholic Doctrines and Traditions. These Doctrines and Traditions not only add to God's Written Word -- in times of disagreement, they take authority OVER God's Written Word, the Bible. And, this is where we tell you that the Roman Catholic church has gone off the straight path and is wandering lost in the forest of false teachings.
But, Child, let's look at YOUR attempt toward false teaching. Apparently you searched for Scripture passages which would support your "traditions." In this respect, you are like the person who wants to find a mechanic; so you Google search for "car" -- and then asssume that every link you find is a "garage."
A good example is your use of 2 Peter 3:15-16 to prove that there should be other books of authority besides the Bible:
2 Peter 3:13-16 (nasb), "But according to His promise we are looking for new heavens and a new earth, in which righteousness dwells. Therefore, beloved, since you look for these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, spotless and blameless, and regard the patience of our Lord as salvation; just as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you, as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction."
Peter is teaching about the coming Rapture when Jesus Christ will return without warning -- so, Peter teaches that we should always be ready for His return to claim His church. And, in the specific phrase you have highlighted -- Peter is telling his followers that many people, i.e., non-believers and false teachers, will take Paul's writings and twist them to mean what Paul never intended his writing to mean. Peter tells them that these false teachers (don't feel too uncomfortable) have also twisted the meanings of other Scriptures, meaning other portions of Scripture, other Bible passages.
This is NOT other Scripture as in the Roman Catholic's Traditions -- but, other portions of our Scripture, the Bible.
In trying to make 2 Peter 3:16 mean something other than what Peter had written under inspiration of the Holy Spirit -- you are doing the same thing that Peter warns his followers about in this passage.
No, Child, there is ONLY ONE book of God's revelation to man -- the Bible. Nothing else is needed.
God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,
Bill
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quote:Originally posted by vplee123:
and a very good point it is, HoD.
Also- remember when Mary and Joseph could not find Jesus- and travelled back to find him teaching- don't you think they would have mentioned siblings? There are few stories of Jesus' childhood, but a sibling and that relationship surely would have been hit on...
Hi VP,
Assuming you had six kids or more, like Mary, and one was lost. In searching for little Johnny -- would you go around saying, "I have six kids -- but, have you seen little Johnny today?"
My Friend, you are stretching VERY thin.
Don't you see that if you had a relationship with Jesus Christ built upon the Bible -- instead of a religion built upon Traditions -- you would not need to stretch so hard to find the Truth?
God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,
Bill
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quote:Originally posted by House of David:
Gifted,
I wanted to share with you this point;
Consider what happened at the foot of the cross. When he was dying, Jesus entrusted his mother to the apostle John (John 19:26–27). The Gospels mention four of his "brethren": James, Joseph, Simon, and Jude. It is hard to imagine why Jesus would have disregarded family ties and made this provision for his mother if these four were also her sons.
HoD
Kraven explaned that Jewish law awhile back.
That proved Jesus is an only child (like me) and didn't have other family.
quote:Originally posted by vplee123:
and a very good point it is, HoD.
Also- remember when Mary and Joseph could not find Jesus- and travelled back to find him teaching- don't you think they would have mentioned siblings? There are few stories of Jesus' childhood, but a sibling and that relationship surely would have been hit on...
Hi Veep,
I wanted to shared a neat little scripture study from the gospel of Mark and Matthew;
Mark 6:3
Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him.
Matthew 27:55-56
And many women were there beholding afar off, which followed Jesus from Galilee, ministering unto him: Among which was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James and Joses, and the mother of Zebedees children.
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According to Mark 6:3, didn't it say that this Mary was the mother of Jesus and was also the mother of James and Joses? But Matthew 27 says that a different Mary is the mother of James and Joses. Well, we know that this Mary (mother of James and Joses) was NOT the mother of Jesus because it says she was looking on from afar and Jesus’ mother was standing at the foot of the cross.
quote:Originally posted by House of David:quote:Originally posted by vplee123:
and a very good point it is, HoD.
Also- remember when Mary and Joseph could not find Jesus- and travelled back to find him teaching- don't you think they would have mentioned siblings? There are few stories of Jesus' childhood, but a sibling and that relationship surely would have been hit on...
Hi Veep,
I wanted to shared a neat little scripture study from the gospel of Mark and Matthew;
Mark 6:3
Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him.
Matthew 27:55-56
And many women were there beholding afar off, which followed Jesus from Galilee, ministering unto him: Among which was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James and Joses, and the mother of Zebedees children.
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According to Mark 6:3, didn't it say that this Mary was the mother of Jesus and was also the mother of James and Joses? But Matthew 27 says that a different Mary is the mother of James and Joses. Well, we know that this Mary (mother of James and Joses) was NOT the mother of Jesus because it says she was looking on from afar and Jesus’ mother was standing at the foot of the cross.
That "looking afar off" situation does not prove anything, H. of D. Look at John 19:25, which places Mary Magdalene at the foot of the cross. You are portraying some kind of situation where you assume that the women involved all occupied either one place or another--either "afar off" or "at the foot of the cross." Mary Magdalene is portrayed as being in both places. What it is probable is that these women, including Mary the mother of Jesus, did not find some fixed station to occupy during the entire period of the crucifixion. If Mary Magdalene was at the foot of the cross at one time and afar off at another, the same could have been true for Mary the mother of Jesus, could it not?
[QUOTE]Originally posted by C.O.B.R.A.:
Sorry YOU see it that way, ISN'T THERE WISDOM IN KNOWING TRUTH? All I can say is I follow James 1:5 in every aspect of my life AND IT WORKS! As for using God as an encyclopedia WHO ELSE SHOULD I LOOK TO FOR KNOWLEDGE AND TRUTH? a human? Ask God about everything! You becha! HE ALWAYS ANSWERS ME!
Nothing to apologize for here, truth IS truth. Go pray and ask God for answers and truth about everything, therein is great wisdom. Try it, your life may just get better![QUOTE]
Well, C.O.B.R.A., if you want to petition the Lord God Almighty to advise you personally and directly concerning each and every belief you find it necessary for Him to confirm or condemn, have at it.
I believe God has spoken plainly in His word, the Bible. For instance, when the Word teaches as it does on marriage--or the absence of same--in heaven, I do not need to pray to God to tell me that His Word means what it says, namely: "The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage: But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage....(Luke 22:34 & 35).
That teaching of Jesus is clear enough for me on the subject of whether there will be marriages in heaven, C.O.B.R.A. I don't need to ask God if He really means what He says on that topic. He has made it very plain. And what He has provided in His word directly refutes the LDS doctrine that earthly marriages will continue in heaven!
I do not need to pray to God to advise me on the nature of God and Man. Specifically, I do not need to ask him about the heretical LDS doctrine that a human male can "progress" to a status comparable to that which God Himself occupies. I do not have to ask my God whether He was once a man, as LDS doctrine asserts. My source of information, the Word of God, tells me all I need to know on that issue, namely, "Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.."(James 1:17) See also Malachi 3:6---"I am the Lord, I change not...."
So, C.O.B.R.A., if it makes you comfortable, you just continue to submit your entreaties to God to confirm those LDS doctrines about which you have already made up your mind, but which can NOT be confirmed by the Word of God itself. And you just keep on telling yourself that God has spoken to you and that you are sure of that because you feel all tingly or teary. But if you want to grow in the knowledge of the truth, I suggest you jettison that emotional claptrap and hunker down with the Word and let God speak to you through that medium. I suggest that you read Psalm 119 and see what is said there about the power of that Word!
Sorry YOU see it that way, ISN'T THERE WISDOM IN KNOWING TRUTH? All I can say is I follow James 1:5 in every aspect of my life AND IT WORKS! As for using God as an encyclopedia WHO ELSE SHOULD I LOOK TO FOR KNOWLEDGE AND TRUTH? a human? Ask God about everything! You becha! HE ALWAYS ANSWERS ME!
Nothing to apologize for here, truth IS truth. Go pray and ask God for answers and truth about everything, therein is great wisdom. Try it, your life may just get better![QUOTE]
Well, C.O.B.R.A., if you want to petition the Lord God Almighty to advise you personally and directly concerning each and every belief you find it necessary for Him to confirm or condemn, have at it.
I believe God has spoken plainly in His word, the Bible. For instance, when the Word teaches as it does on marriage--or the absence of same--in heaven, I do not need to pray to God to tell me that His Word means what it says, namely: "The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage: But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage....(Luke 22:34 & 35).
That teaching of Jesus is clear enough for me on the subject of whether there will be marriages in heaven, C.O.B.R.A. I don't need to ask God if He really means what He says on that topic. He has made it very plain. And what He has provided in His word directly refutes the LDS doctrine that earthly marriages will continue in heaven!
I do not need to pray to God to advise me on the nature of God and Man. Specifically, I do not need to ask him about the heretical LDS doctrine that a human male can "progress" to a status comparable to that which God Himself occupies. I do not have to ask my God whether He was once a man, as LDS doctrine asserts. My source of information, the Word of God, tells me all I need to know on that issue, namely, "Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.."(James 1:17) See also Malachi 3:6---"I am the Lord, I change not...."
So, C.O.B.R.A., if it makes you comfortable, you just continue to submit your entreaties to God to confirm those LDS doctrines about which you have already made up your mind, but which can NOT be confirmed by the Word of God itself. And you just keep on telling yourself that God has spoken to you and that you are sure of that because you feel all tingly or teary. But if you want to grow in the knowledge of the truth, I suggest you jettison that emotional claptrap and hunker down with the Word and let God speak to you through that medium. I suggest that you read Psalm 119 and see what is said there about the power of that Word!
I don't just pray for a sure knowledge of beliefs, I pray for guidance in every aspect of my life. I pray for protection, I pray for strength and health. I prayed once and told God if He wanted me married He needed to send me a woman because my picker was broken and I always picked the wrong woman. A week later a woman contacted me and I prayed again and asked if this was the woman He was sending me. God affermed it so I asked her to marry me two weeks after we met and we have been happily married in our tenth year. God says pray about everything,He says keep a prayer in your heart,He says pray over your crops. Isn't it wonderful to have a Loving Father that wants you to contact Him about everything?
How does it go? Ask and ye shall receive? Is that right? And something about knock and it's shall be opened unto you? Something about, if ya lack wisdom ASK GOD? I take God serious about these things AND I know they are true cause I tried them and it has been proven time and time again to be true. You miss out on so much when you BELIEVE IN JESUS BUT DON'T BELIEVE JESUS. I will do all I can to turn everyone on to prayer. God hears and answers all prayers. When I work on a car I start with a prayer to be guided to the source of trouble and guess what, yep God answers prayers. Got lost in Germany once, I prayed for guidance and was inspired to follow a certain car. Guess what, it went to the exact place I was looking for! Spent twenty years in the Army, protection through prayer. Remember! !!!Satan teaches you not to pray. Satan tells you that you don't have to pray. Satan tells you not to bother God by praying about petty stuff. Don't know about you but experience has taught me that prayer is two way communication with my Father in Heaven and it works! !!
Sorry your so down on the RESTORED church of Jesus Christ, sorry you THINK the doctrine is false, but you will never know for a fact if it's true or false unless you pray to God and ask Him if it's true or false. If I didn't pray and ask if He sent me my wife, I would have missed out on ten of the greatest years with a woman in my life!
I WILL continue to pray about everything because prayer is a true principle and it works! I say all these things in the name of Jesus Christ! AMEN! !!
How does it go? Ask and ye shall receive? Is that right? And something about knock and it's shall be opened unto you? Something about, if ya lack wisdom ASK GOD? I take God serious about these things AND I know they are true cause I tried them and it has been proven time and time again to be true. You miss out on so much when you BELIEVE IN JESUS BUT DON'T BELIEVE JESUS. I will do all I can to turn everyone on to prayer. God hears and answers all prayers. When I work on a car I start with a prayer to be guided to the source of trouble and guess what, yep God answers prayers. Got lost in Germany once, I prayed for guidance and was inspired to follow a certain car. Guess what, it went to the exact place I was looking for! Spent twenty years in the Army, protection through prayer. Remember! !!!Satan teaches you not to pray. Satan tells you that you don't have to pray. Satan tells you not to bother God by praying about petty stuff. Don't know about you but experience has taught me that prayer is two way communication with my Father in Heaven and it works! !!
Sorry your so down on the RESTORED church of Jesus Christ, sorry you THINK the doctrine is false, but you will never know for a fact if it's true or false unless you pray to God and ask Him if it's true or false. If I didn't pray and ask if He sent me my wife, I would have missed out on ten of the greatest years with a woman in my life!
I WILL continue to pray about everything because prayer is a true principle and it works! I say all these things in the name of Jesus Christ! AMEN! !!
quote:Originally posted by beternU:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by C.O.B.R.A.:
Sorry YOU see it that way, ISN'T THERE WISDOM IN KNOWING TRUTH? All I can say is I follow James 1:5 in every aspect of my life AND IT WORKS! As for using God as an encyclopedia WHO ELSE SHOULD I LOOK TO FOR KNOWLEDGE AND TRUTH? a human? Ask God about everything! You becha! HE ALWAYS ANSWERS ME!
Nothing to apologize for here, truth IS truth. Go pray and ask God for answers and truth about everything, therein is great wisdom. Try it, your life may just get better![QUOTE]
Well, C.O.B.R.A., if you want to petition the Lord God Almighty to advise you personally and directly concerning each and every belief you find it necessary for Him to confirm or condemn, have at it.
I believe God has spoken plainly in His word, the Bible. For instance, when the Word teaches as it does on marriage--or the absence of same--in heaven, I do not need to pray to God to tell me that His Word means what it says, namely: "The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage: But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage....(Luke 22:34 & 35).
That teaching of Jesus is clear enough for me on the subject of whether there will be marriages in heaven, C.O.B.R.A. I don't need to ask God if He really means what He says on that topic. He has made it very plain. And what He has provided in His word directly refutes the LDS doctrine that earthly marriages will continue in heaven!
I do not need to pray to God to advise me on the nature of God and Man. Specifically, I do not need to ask him about the heretical LDS doctrine that a human male can "progress" to a status comparable to that which God Himself occupies. I do not have to ask my God whether He was once a man, as LDS doctrine asserts. My source of information, the Word of God, tells me all I need to know on that issue, namely, "Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.."(James 1:17) See also Malachi 3:6---"I am the Lord, I change not...."
So, C.O.B.R.A., if it makes you comfortable, you just continue to submit your entreaties to God to confirm those LDS doctrines about which you have already made up your mind, but which can NOT be confirmed by the Word of God itself. And you just keep on telling yourself that God has spoken to you and that you are sure of that because you feel all tingly or teary. But if you want to grow in the knowledge of the truth, I suggest you jettison that emotional claptrap and hunker down with the Word and let God speak to you through that medium. I suggest that you read Psalm 119 and see what is said there about the power of that Word!
quote:I WILL continue to pray about everything because prayer is a true principle and it works! I say all these things in the name of Jesus Christ! AMEN! !!
COBRA, I think God has you in heart... and you obviously have him in yours... and I'm confident you'll be in heaven...