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Originally posted by alwilliams767:
Hi David, would you mind responding to what I wrote? I would be interested in your take.

Al


Hi Al, Sorry for the delay. Just noticed this. I assume this is a serious question and not just an excuse for hurling insults. Hence, I will give it serious consideration.

"But they go to far when they positively assert that there absolutely is no god. One can not prove the non-existence of god anymore than one can prove the existence of god. And any person who says that they can prove that god either does or does not exist is either a fool (thinking to prove god does not exist) or is missing the real crux of the religious experience.”

Is a person “going to far when they positively assert that there absolutely is no“: Zeus, tooth fairy, green unicorns--ad infinitum. I say that neither God nor any of the above exist because there is not one shred of evidence that they do. I will say, that if I am presented evidence for their existence, I will become a “knower.” I could say that there is a certain probability that God exists, but that probability is infinitesimally small.

Of course I cannot prove God doesn’t exist. It is impossible to prove that something that doesn’t exist, doesn’t exist. That in itself may be pretty strong evidence for non-existence.

“Because religion, true religion, is the relationship of the individual with that ideal which he designates god. And the ideal of God is always the highest concept of goodness, which the individual in question can conceive.”

God is one of man’s greatest inventions. He can be anything you want him to be, think anything you want him to think, do anything you want him to do. And then when he fails to live up to your expectations, wants and ideals, you can find a myriad of excuses for his actions or inactions.

“And the truth of god is infinitely greater than even the highest concept of the most advanced of men.”

My point exactly. This statement is true solely in your mind. Due to lack of evidence, it is groundless and only a personal belief.

“There are no values in nature. Nature does not respect the concept of good or evil. Mechanistic machines, inhabiting a mechanistic and non spiritual universe could never hunger for truth, adore beauty of crave goodness. Because truth, beauty and goodness are not material values.”

No, they are human values. They are given meaning by the human mind.

“There can really be no real disagreement between science and true religion.”

There is absolute disagreement between science and true religion. The only time that there isn’t disagreement is if by chance a religious proclamation happens to be supported by evidence. Once this happens, it is no longer religion. Religion is the trash bin that contains the rejects from science. Science is objective, religion is subjective; and never the twain shall meet.

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