quote: Originally Posted by Nathan Evans:To correct a couple of things: 1. The writer did NOT say that Mary was not the Mother of God. Writer gave the greek translation of theotokos. 2. Women don't give birth to natures, they give birth to children. The child that came forth from Mary's womb was Jesus, who is God. Her child had a human nature and a divine nature. But to separate the two natures is heresy. Thus Christians correctly call Mary the Mother of God. Luther did, Calvin did, zwingili did, the church fathers did, etc etc! Praised be Jesus forever!
Hi Nathan,
You tell me, "1. The writer did NOT say that Mary was not the Mother of God. Writer gave the greek translation of theotokos."
From your post:
From Catholic Answers: Understood correctly, the title Mother of God (Greek: Theotokos, "God-bearer") does not mean that Mary is the source of Christ's divine nature, nor does it mean Mary is the Mother of the Father, or the Holy Spirit.
To me, this is saying that Mary is NOT the Mother of God.
You tell me, "2. Women don't give birth to natures, they give birth to children. The child that came forth from Mary's womb was Jesus, who is God. Her child had a human nature and a divine nature."
True, and that human child she bore was Jesus. She gave birth to the human nature of Jesus Christ. You and I both know that she did NOT give birth to the divine nature of Jesus Christ, which is the preexisting, eternal God. So, she gave birth to our Lord (Luke 1:43), Jesus -- but, she did NOT give birth to the divine eternal God. So, Mary is the mortal mother of the human nature of Jesus; but she is NOT the Mother of God.
I will ask you the same question which VP danced around and would not answer:
1. Was God born? If so, He is not God, for God is eternal.
2. Did God die? If so, He is not God, for God is eternal.
Obviously, the answer to both questions is NO. Only the mortal (Hebrews 2:17) human nature of Jesus Christ was born and died.
Finally, you tell me, "But to separate the two natures is heresy."
I say that Jesus Christ had two natures: God the Son, His divine nature, eternal and preexisting. The Son of Man, His mortal human nature (Hebrews 2:17), born of a woman and died on the cross.
If showing those as two distinct natures is heresy -- then, saying that God is a Trinity: Father, Son, Holy Spirit -- God manifested in three distinct Persons -- should also be a heresy in your thinking.
But, you and I both know that the Trinity is, indeed, God manifested in three separate, distinct Persons. And, we both know that Jesus Christ had two separate and distinct natures: Fully God and Fully Man. If one is a heresy, both have to be heresies.
God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,
Bill