quote:Originally posted by Bill Gray:quote:Originally posted by b50m:
Bill, thank you for realizing your error. Since we are now on the same page and the AIDS virus did come from chimps, that would throw out that 'God did it to punish homosexuals'.
Hi B50,
I have never believed that God punishes people for being gay. Through the effects of our own sins; we punish ourselves. If I were a non-believer who took drugs or got drunk -- and, because of this action I have an accident and am maimed; this is not God punishing me, this is my own action causing me harm. Yet, if I then become a believer -- I am forgiven -- but, I am still a maimed believer.
God does not punish anyone for being gay. However, a person who is living an active homosexual lifestyle cannot be a Christian -- for the two are polar opposites. A person can fool himself into believing he is living a Christian life; but, he is not. A person can find churches which will tell him his homosexual lifestyle if okay with God -- but, that church and its leaders are misleading this person.
Gay theologians will attempt to rewrite the Genesis account of Sodom saying that their sin is really being inhospitable -- but, that theologian is lying to himself and to all who follow him.
Just as a Christian believer cannot be possessed by demonic spirit; a Christian believer cannot live a homosexual lifestyle.
The person who is living an active homosexual lifestyle is punishing himself by denying Jesus Christ and by not being born again. As Jesus Christ tells us in John 3:3, "You must be born again to see the kingdom of God" -- and a person living a homosexual lifestyle is not born again.
Therefore, he is bringing a self imposed condemnation, i.e., punishment upon himself. He is punishing himself by condemning himself to live eternally with Satan, rather than living eternally with God.
Yet, up until that last breath -- that self imposed punishment can be reversed if this person will sincerely turn from the world and turn to follow Jesus Christ, i.e., repent and believe. But, one must pray that this last breath does not come unexpectedly -- before this person has a chance to repent and believe.
God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,
Bill
Dang it.
this sucks.
but i have to admit, publically, that i acctually don't find anything in this post of bills to disagree with.
he isn't belittling homosexuality, or threating them with hellfire, or calling them sick or perverted or anything, or condeming them.
he just points out that be bible forbids active homosexuality,(which it does) and that if you choose to ignore it, it can prevent you from going to heaven. (which is true, if you believe in that sort of thing)
Granted, he took a long time to say it, and threw some scripture in there too.
what is happening to the world, when I agree with a post about homosexuals with Bill?