You are beginning to understand why I do not engage Mr. Bill in any discussions anymore.
He is incapable of reason.
In order to have a discussion, both sides must understand the concepts of reason, evidence, and logic.
Both sides must define terms by which they could be proven wrong.
You will not find any such conditions arguing with Mr. Bill. He is incapable of such bravery and intellect.
I say this not to insult Bill, but as a matter of fact. I do not hate Bill, I pity him. His intellectual arrestment is the result of a belief in an ancient dogma that has been discredited in many ways.
I will not ask you to forgive him his reticence. He forgives no one, and deserves no forgiveness.