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Reply to "Jesus was a Sociaist"

Originally Posted by SeniorCoffee:
Do you deny his teachings on giving and sharing? One his ideas of justice. As well as his admonitions against acquiring  riches? Read Luke 12:13-31.

Luke 12

13  And one of the company said unto him, Master, speak to my brother, that he divide the inheritance with me.

14 And he said unto him, Man, who made me a judge or a divider over you?

15 And he said unto them, Take heed, and beware of covetousness: for a man’s life consisteth not in the abundance of the things which he possesseth.

16 And he spake a parable unto them, saying, The ground of a certain rich man brought forth plentifully:

17 And he thought within himself, saying, What shall I do, because I have no room where to bestow my fruits?

18 And he said, This will I do: I will pull down my barns, and build greater; and there will I bestow all my fruits and my goods.

19 And I will say to my soul, Soul, thou hast much goods laid up for many years; take thine ease, eat, drink, and be merry.

20 But God said unto him, Thou fool, this night thy soul shall be required of thee: then whose shall those things be, which thou hast provided?

21 So is he that layeth up treasure for himself, and is not rich toward God.

22  And he said unto his disciples, Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat; neither for the body, what ye shall put on.

23 The life is more than meat, and the body is more than raiment.

24 Consider the ravens: for they neither sow nor reap; which neither have storehouse nor barn; and God feedeth them: how much more are ye better than the fowls?

25 And which of you with taking thought can add to his stature one cubit?

26 If ye then be not able to do that thing which is least, why take ye thought for the rest?

27 Consider the lilies how they grow: they toil not, they spin not; and yet I say unto you, that Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.

28 If then God so clothe the grass, which is to day in the field, and to morrow is cast into the oven; how much more will he clothe you, O ye of little faith?

29 And seek not ye what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink, neither be ye of doubtful mind.

30 For all these things do the nations of the world seek after: and your Father knoweth that ye have need of these things.

31  But rather seek ye the kingdom of God; and all these things shall be added unto you.


Where in that do you see an admonition to subjugate ones' self to a hierarchy of mankind to have ones' possessions distributed as the hierarchy sees fit? You won't see, because it is not there. The verses above are about being oriented to G-D and spiritual endeavors with a healthy disregard for earthly 'things'. Further, that said things should hold no great attachment for followers of Yeshua and should be willingly shared among the followers(voluntary with joy), not that property should be turned over to authority of mankind for redistribution(taken without permission).


I didn't originally include Luke 12:33, and I should have. That would make it pretty obvious a follower should not acquire wealth.


Luke 12:32, 33, & 34

32 Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father’s good pleasure to give you the kingdom.

33 Sell that ye have, and give alms; provide yourselves bags which wax not old, a treasure in the heavens that faileth not, where no thief approacheth, neither moth corrupteth.

You conveniently left out verse 32 and 34 which takes the context away. Verse 34 is the summation of all the previous verses...

Luke 12:34

34 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

So there you have it, it's not a sin to be wealthy, to earn wealth, or for you to be the one who decides what to do with your wealth. It is a sin to seek, crave, or lust after wealth instead of seeking G-D and His kingdom. Luke12:31 "But rather seek ye the kingdom of God; and all these things shall be added unto you."

Your case for coersive collectivism is specious at best, libelous at worst.