quote:Nash, you appear to support science right up to the point where it conflicts with your religion. Beyond that point, no amount of evidence will change your deeply held beliefs. That is not an attribute of one who "loves" science.
Someone who "loves science" must be prepared to change his entire worldview based on the evidence (or lack thereof) at hand. In fact, one who loves science just can't freaking WAIT to have his wordlview changed. That definitely describes me and I dare say I can speak the same for my friend Deep and Miami.
Example: You evidently dismiss the fact that the Big Bang happened. Great! Science thrives on free thinkers but in order to claim to be a supporter of science, you MUST come up with an alternate theory that fits the evidence. Instead, the best you can come up with is, "I just know it isn't true."
Thanks not science. That's religion.
Which gets back to my point, Nash: Unlike What4 and Bill, you don't come right out and say, "You are wrong and here is what you must believe if you want to avoid hell . . ." but your actions say, "You must choose between science what what I believe and I KNOW I am right."
Therefore, you "make" people choose between science and religion - just not quite as blatantly as What4 and Bill.
The big bang is not a fact. That's why it's called a theory. I've never, not once said that I just know it's not true. I've said it is probably how God created everything, but we'll never know.
I haven't seen any evidence to change my mind. Everything I've seen suggests that there is a God. I have yet to see anything from science that suggest otherwise, it's actually the opposite. For me, the scientific wonders of this universe is proof that we're not the most intelligent beings around.
You can't say that you are more logical or rational than I am. I've presented arguments and evidence that you couldn't answer. It all comes down to your hatred of God, hatred of religion, and hatred of any type of Christian. You can say you don't, but it's quite clear you do.
I can tell you're a good guy, but you are wrapped up in quite a bit of hatred. That's why you keep trying to lump me in with the fundamentalists who want to condemn anyone with a differing opinion, even though what I say is exactly opposite. I've never told you that you are going to Hell, I've never told you to change your ways, I've never told you to go to church. I've shared my personal beliefs, if you don't agree, then you don't agree. I don't care.
I have never and will never say you or anyone else is going to hell, plain and simple. Nor am I trying to force my ideas on anyone else. I'm not making anyone choose between anything.
I'll say it once again very simply, please don't try and twist these words. It's up to each individual to make up his or her own mind. We are all free to study, learn, and decide on our own. If you believe in God or not doesn't matter to me one way or another.