quote:Originally posted by DeepFat:
WhatEver,
You say even the chemicals must have a creator. I presume you mean god.
Who made god?
If you say that god is transcendent of time and space, then I want your proof. Otherwise, we must start our discussion of nature somewhere.
I start it with the self-evident existence of the universe. If we insist on defining an Unmoved Mover, it is the universe itself. At least the universe is commonly known and tangible. God is not.
DF
All I'm saying is that we both start with something that can't be explained by our finite minds. You begin with chemicals of the earth. I say that the earth did not always exist, or else it would not have an age. You begin with something that has an age and you have no understanding of how it ever began its existence. I begin with God who has no age, and who tells us in that which I consider to be His word, that He has always existed. We both cannot go back in time to examine the evidence. You believe something existed from nothing. I believe God existed always. Always is difficult to fathom. Yet how can something come from nothing? If something had to exist for all other things to exist afterward, then I say it is God.
You have your belief, and I have mine. The only difference is that my God has interacted with me and proven to me that He exists. Since He exists, then I also believe His word is true. Even though I know that He exists, I still must believe His word by faith. I do not believe that He is lying. The more I have studied His word, the more I have seen that his depth of wisdom and understanding is far greater than man's. To me, it is much more logical since I know that God exists, to believe His word over the theories of man. I know that God exists because He has intervened in my life. The rest is simply faith.