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Originally Posted by direstraits:
Originally Posted by Road Puppy:
Originally Posted by direstraits:

The last telegraph message was sent in India about a month ago. How many people know code or how to use a J-38 correctly.  Vacuum tubes are hard to find and harder to use without electricity -- big one affects that too.  Not unless you're Amish -- horses have to fed daily, whether you use them, or not. 


Union leadership -- deniers of fact and reasons for shrinking membership.  Democrats - deniers of reality, in general.


Didn't know the Teamsters were a public sector union.  Have you informed Hoffa!


*I* know code-as do many others like me. 

I can run vacuum tubes off a 6-volt battery (remember the old car radios with that humming/buzzing chopper?) that I can recharge by any number of electro-mechanical or photovoltiac ways.  You don't need mains to run stuff.

  Vacuum tubes are for the most part not susceptible to the inductive effects of EMP as they run at fairly high heat and voltages anyway-unlike the super-sensitive junctions of semiconductors which require massive Faraday cage-type shielding to protect. Most of the support components tube equipment requires are built into and shielded by massive metal frames and cabinets which provide just such shielding.

I can lay my hands on vast quantities of vacuum tubes of any type should the need arise.

So ya gotta feed horses.  Ya gotta feed yourself, too whether you go to work or just sit around the house drinking vodka or smoking dope all day.

Your point there?


Teamsters are all over the public sector. Google "Teamsters public sector" and count all the locals.  


Consider yourself informed.


 Yes, you know codes, and so do a few old guys.  Its not even a requirement for a ham radio license, any more.


The supply of vacuum tubes is rather limited.  A couple of years before the Soviet Union fell apart, in desperation, they ordered vacuum tubes from IBM for their computers,  IBM informed them that IBM no longer had any in stock -- they donated all of their stock to the Smithsonian Museum.

Faraday cages aren't as hard to obtain, as you describe.  Your car is a Faraday cage, impervious to an EMP burst if its off, at the time.


My point is that time and money spent supporting a horse equals cost to fuel your car.


While the Teamsters may work for the public sector, I don't believe they are part of public sector unions.



Well just because code is no longer required to earn a license doesn't mean it's no longer useful.   CW will get through when nothing else works.

Your car is not an earth-grounded cage. If it is unshielded by earth or ungrounded metal at the time of an EMP burst, the effects will be the same as if it was out in the open no matter if it is 'on' or not. Just the semiconductors required to read the signal from your car's oxygen sensor-which your computer controlled car *will not run without* (yes, the basic fuel map data is also stored on that semiconductor in the event of an O2 sensor *malfunction*-not *complete failure*, mind you) operate on mere millivolts, much less than the voltages and currents produced by EMP induction. The equipment doesn't have to be 'on' as the EMP creates the damaging voltage. For a Faraday cage to work effectively, any holes in it have to be of a certain size so as not to allow a given RF wavelength to pass through it. EMP is 'wideband.' The screen in the door of your microwave oven has just such 'calibrated' holes to keep the RF inside the box. *No* holes is ideal, but as we can see-there are many *large* holes in the average car.

  Analog electrics, being built much sturdier and simpler than digital electronics are less susceptible to EMP. 


There is an enormous amount of vacuum tubes of all types available in the used/surplus market.

The Soviets just didn't ask the right people.


With a little modification, I can run my car on grain alcohol. With a little more effort, I could run it on wood gas. (The Soviets had this down pat when gasoline was scarce.) 'Course I'd lose some trunk space.


Anyway, These things all still have their usefulness, just like labor unions do.

I know that without union representation, I'd still be providing a public service (albeit through a private contractor) for basically slave wages and working with unsafe, unreliable equipment putting the safety of myself and the people I work with in jeopardy. I could also be fired without cause or reason without union representation.


There's a good reason why unions are still around. Just like there's a good reason why the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer.


It ain't always about moochin'.