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Originally posted by Dawkins7:
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Sounds like the question of primacy. Which comes first, consciousness or existence? Rational logic dictates that the answer is existence.


Modern biology indicates that all traits evolved in infintessimally small leaps and starts. It makes sense only if you understand the bare basics of evolution.


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You either accept that science can currently explain everything (which it cannot), or you accept the premise that "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,


I certainly accept that science is fully capable of explaining "everything" given enough time. We've only had the tools of science for about 500 years and look how much we have discovered thus far.


So, in essence you have faith in science. I know you will deny that word, but use "confidence" instead to ease your mind

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Originally posted by Dawkins7:Would you believe that the common wisdom was that man evolved from a block of clay and woman was cloned from the rib of a man? Why didn't they just make another woman out another bit of clay? Why the invasive surgery on Adam?

Would you believe that we once thought that all life on earth was extinguished during a Great Flood except from one boat that held every single land animal that ever existed including dinosaurs (including over 200,000 different types of beetles alone!) . . . Stop laughing. Seriously! This was accept as fact!

Would you believe that people used to think that snakes could talk? . . . Wait a minute, I think we just completed a thread on this and some people do still believe that so scratch that. We've got work to do.

Getting rid of ancient superstitions and illogical dogma would go a long ways towards our enlightenment.

In any case, there is no reason to believe that the biggest questions we have no will be answered as long as we don't destroy ourselves by our own ignorance.

The past 500 years proves that.


First off, I don't accept in any form the notion of "common wisdom" or "common sense". There is no such thing. What wisdom or sense there is in the world is far too UNcommon.

Have you ever heard of the word allegory?

Here's the thing, I used to be one of you guys, an unbeliever. Rational logic decrees that the primacy of all things is existence. Consciousness can not come first, because without existence, what would there be to be conscious of? How could there be a god that exists outside of existence? Since existence, i.e. the world and the universe must come before anything including a god? Therefore there can be no such god.

Then I began to read "The Elegant Universe" by string theorist Brian Green. String theory, whether any of the scientists would ever admit it or not, opens up infinite possibilities. Infinite possibilities. Now after some time considering infinite possibilities, I began to encounter situations that are not logically explainable, and no I will not elaborate. After one such dramatic encounter, I was enlightened by just a glimpse of a very small part of a larger picture. My life has since been changed and I can not imagine for a second how I lived even as long as I did as a lost being.

As for "creation" I'm not a stickler on that one, one way or the other. Yet as for the existence of G-D I have zero doubt that he exists. So go ahead, I'm calling all atheists, pile on, tell me of your Flying Spaghetti Monster and any other forms of ridicule you care to heap on, it is no burden for me. I would ask that in the midst of the ridicule, what is it that you are trying to accomplish?

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