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Re: Who Are The Mormons And What Do They Believe?

WINDSONG ·
Originally Posted by Loki: So I'm confused. Is Jesus and God the same person, or being? Loki, first off, dont believe a thing bill says about "Mormons", he hates them with a passion and will do all he can to discredit them. Now, if you are asking anyone that question then I will answer. The word "GOD"' is a title.Jesus Christ is a "GOD" as well as His Father is a "GOD", as well as the Holy Ghost is a "GOD". All three are seperate beings holding the title "GOD". Together, the three form what...
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Re: You baptism is probably invalid

WINDSONG ·
Originally Posted by upsidedehead: Originally Posted by skippy delepepper: Holster those guns Windsong. These are our forum friends that have stood behind us for the most part from the blazeing attacks from Bill and BeternU. Whether or not you think so, the way you are telling people they are doomed isn't winning any hearts. I truley believe God knows whats in everyone's hearts. And there will be others in Heaven that were not LDS in this life. As it is Bill could come back in his mind as...
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Re: Who Are The Mormons And What Do They Believe?

skippy delepepper ·
Bill/BeternU, Folks this is Skippy. I started by going to his first reference site ( http://www.gotquestions.org/Mormons.html ) I started reading the scripture references that were not from the King James Bible which the LDS church reconizes as THE VERSION to STUDY. Even in the references I found nothing that says Bill/BeternU right, Skippy wrong. I also found a discepency in the verses listed. In John 4:24 it says,"God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in s pirit and truth."...
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Re: You baptism is probably invalid

upsidedehead ·
Originally Posted by WINDSONG: Originally Posted by upsidedehead: Originally Posted by skippy delepepper: Holster those guns Windsong. These are our forum friends that have stood behind us for the most part from the blazeing attacks from Bill and BeternU. Whether or not you think so, the way you are telling people they are doomed isn't winning any hearts. I truley believe God knows whats in everyone's hearts. And there will be others in Heaven that were not LDS in this life. As it is Bill...
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Re: You baptism is probably invalid

WINDSONG ·
Originally Posted by upsidedehead: Originally Posted by WINDSONG: Originally Posted by upsidedehead: Originally Posted by skippy delepepper: Holster those guns Windsong. These are our forum friends that have stood behind us for the most part from the blazeing attacks from Bill and BeternU. Whether or not you think so, the way you are telling people they are doomed isn't winning any hearts. I truley believe God knows whats in everyone's hearts. And there will be others in Heaven that were not...
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Re: You baptism is probably invalid

upsidedehead ·
YOu can not weasel out of this one with that frail and impotent response. You said, when you began this string: "The power and authority from GOD must come down an unbroken chain of authority traceable back to Jesus Christ. So ask you preacher to prove he or she has that power and authority in a traceable line back to Jesus Christ. I'll bet they CAN NOT! and if they cant, Then all the ordinances performed by that person are are INVALID and USELESS. This is very important because to get into...
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Re: Who Are The Mormons And What Do They Believe?

skippy delepepper ·
Originally Posted by renecillo7: Bill: Awesome post! Thanks for the clarification. I have always believed that the Mormons are a cult. I have had them knock on my door a few times. Whenever the conversation starts to go towards the bible with them, they leave! ren 7, apparently you have not read very little that BeternU/Bill and I have corresponded. I have used only the Bible and references to web sites that shine the truth on the bogus sites he refers to. It's easy to counter his rantings.
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Re: Who Are The Mormons And What Do They Believe?

skippy delepepper ·
Originally Posted by Bill Gray: Originally Posted by renecillo7: Bill: Awesome post! Thanks for the clarification. I have always believed that the Mormons are a cult. I have had them knock on my door a few times. Whenever the conversation starts to go towards the bible with them, they leave! Ren 7, to start with one will usually leave if one is asked to. Hi Renecillo7, Thank you. One thing we know for sure about our Mormon Friend, Dwight/Skippy, which is typical of all Mormon "evangelist" or...
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Re: Purgatory And Hell - Biblical Or Not?

Bill Gray ·
Hi Dwight/Skippy, Your concern touched me so much that I want to share an e-mail I received from a lady in Pennsylvania today about this same article which she received through my Friends Ministry: +++++++++++++++++++++++ She wrote: Wow, Bill! Wow! Yes, a double Wow! I read every word. I couldn't stop reading. Very well done, my brother in Christ. I learned about purgatory, for I had no clue what it was or where it came from. The rest I knew... that which comes from the Bible. As always, it...
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Re: Should Bill Have Stayed True to His Word?

Bill Gray ·
Originally Posted by dark dreamer: Originally Posted by bluetick: These forums are for the expression of your opinions. Bill has one. He is welcome to voice that opinion,and you are welcome to disagree. I doubt if anyone here is hounded as much as he is. He gets it from EVERYBODY. It must get old, but he sticks to his guns because he believes he is doing the right thing. I see him stand up for his side a lot...who wouldn't? He must believe in what he's doing or he would have left a looong...
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Re: Should Bill Have Stayed True to His Word?

The Nagel ·
personally... i wish bill had stayed gone. however, he never promised to leave, he juts said he didn't like the new format and wouldn't be back, and then changed his mind. eved bill is allowed to change his mind. he does twist the meansing of bible verses into something moses himself wouldn't recognize, he does promote hatred and discrimination in the name of christ, and he will lead people to the hell that he claims to have the only map out of, and he does lie.... but this wasn't one of...
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Re: Purgatory And Hell - Biblical Or Not?

gdriggs ·
I think Mr. Gray is more scared of eternal torture than ever before. Im willing to bet if Mr. Gray were to give an honest answer he would still say he does not want to go to hell (eternal torture). It is after all one of his major themes here, always trying to warn people they better get saved or it's hell for you! I have lost count of all the people he has condemned to hell here in this forum. And he just did it again in his last post. Luk 6:45 A good man out of the good treasure of his...
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Re: Purgatory And Hell - Biblical Or Not?

Bill Gray ·
Hi GDriggs, aka Al Williams, My dear Friend, if you want to go through life wearing your New Age Shirley Maclaine hat -- and your L. Ray Smith "Universalism" undershorts -- -- and continue believing there is no hell -- go for it. You can join all those folks who populate the "feel good" churches and New Age religions, and enjoy your slippery slope for as long as the ride lasts. But, for our other Friends, I will say only this. In the Bible Jesus Christ taught about hell. Jesus Christ would...
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Re: Purgatory And Hell - Biblical Or Not?

Bill Gray ·
Hi O No, You tell me, "Obviously Bill, your reading comprehension skills are weak. What HoD posted needs no explanation. If you were a decent human being you would have read it, but you are more interested in looking like 'the big man' than in actually discussing anything." Anytime we copy/paste from another source, an explanation is needed. What did David prove when she merely copied pages from a Roman Catholic web site -- with not one single word written by her. To me, that is laziness. If...
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Re: Purgatory And Hell - Biblical Or Not?

Bill Gray ·
Originally Posted by O No!: Bill, any good writer knows that when you are making an argument, you start with your premise. You ARE a good writer, and this is how you opened your thread: "OBAMA IGNORES GOOD FRIDAY AND EASTER - But never forgets Muslim Holidays. Let's all REMEMBER to NOT VOTE for him in 2012!" Hi O, No, I began this discussion with: Purgatory And Hell - Biblical Or Not? Now, Purgatory and Hell may well be applicable to Obama -- but, other than that -- he was not mentioned in...
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Re: Christs original teachings restored

WINDSONG ·
Originally Posted by semiannualchick: I just gotta say that if anyone wants to know anything about Christianity, all they have to do is open the Bible & study it. You & Bill Gray are only human beings like the rest of us. One religion is no better than the other. For the next year of time on this forum I will practice what I call "Black belt Christianity"' now that that is said I will respond to your post. All religions teach PORTIONS of the doctrines of Jesus Christ. In that way .
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Re: Christs original teachings restored

Road Puppy ·
Originally Posted by WINDSONG: Brothers and Sisters, For about a year now, I have been posting on thi forum. I have seen this forum used in many ways. I am going to take a new aproach to how I use this forum. From this day forward, I will use this forum to teach the truthes of Christianity that have been restored to their fullness by JESUS CHRIST Himself, through modern day Prophets. I will not debate any of what I teach in here and I will ignore haraassing posts by Bill and...
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Re: True Colors of a "Christian"

Kraven ·
Originally Posted by semiannualchick: I'm posting this for those of you that have said you like Bill Gray & believe him to be a real Christian. Otherwise, you may not see it. In the topic "I'm Outta Here" by O No, Bill was doing his usual preaching, & not one word about O No's leaving the forum. I made the comment to Bill that he just couldn't find it within himself to say a kind word to O No. This is his comment to me . “ Oh, ye of little faith!! May God turn your raisins into...
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Re: True Colors of a "Christian"

gbrk ·
We all have breaking points and wisdom is knowing when to back away, for hopefully only a while. I, for one, will miss O No's contributions to the forum and I'm sorry to hear that she has made this decision but I certainly respect it and understand it. She will be missed and it's regretful that it comes to this but O No is certainly not the first nor will be the last that needs to take some time away. I know there are times that I feel like leaving it alone for a while myself but unlike O No...
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Re: Christs original teachings restored

gbrk ·
Originally Posted by Jennifer: gbrk, I don't fear death. I'm not looking forward to it for various reasons but fear isn't one of them. So if you didn't "believe" you'd be afraid of death? To me it's just "lights out" and then the same as before you were born. One thing I will never understand is why people think there's a god and blindly follow and worship him when he, in their thoughts anyway, causes such horrible things to happen. It's like someone beating a dog to death and it still licks...
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Re: Christs original teachings restored

gbrk ·
Originally Posted by Jennifer: Plenty of stupid people in the world that do odd things. Because they endured those things and died means nothing except they were blanked in the head. That doesn't constitute proof in any way. Where did your god come from? Fair statement yet, I suggest, that is it not also a reason to wonder if there may be something more there than being "blanked in the head"? Given the grievous ways in which many were forced to die for their faith they seemingly had no...
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Re: Lesson one

Bill Gray ·
Hi Cage, I am not sure if you are addressing me -- or Dwight -- or Beter in your post. You open by saying, "You have become a Mormon, Bill." No, far from it. That would be as bad, or worse, than being a Jehovah's Witness. No, my Friend, I am a Conservative Christian -- one who follows the real Jesus Christ of John 1:1 and believes in the Trinity: One God manifested in three distinct Persons - Father, Son, Holy Spirit -- all co-equal, all co-eternal, all having the same attributes, i.e.,...
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Re: Why Did God Create Us?

Bill Gray ·
Hi Rim, It is interesting that the atheists will NOT believe that God created the heavens and the earth (Genesis 1:1); they will NOT believe that He even exists. Yet, every atheist DOES credit God with all the bad things that happen in the world. Now, that, my Friend, is oxymoronic thinking! No, the evil in the world is man's doing. God created man and the universe to be perfect. But, in giving man free will, He gave man the ability to accept evil -- which he did when Adam disobeyed God.
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Re: Why Did God Create Us?

Bill Gray ·
Hi Hay, Welcome to the Religion Forum! You ask if we cannot all get along. Unfortunately, with some being Pro-God and others being Anti-God -- it will be difficult to get all of us to sit in the same pew. But, we who are Pro-God most certainly should be Friends with, and praying for, all of our Anti-God Friends. And, we should never stop telling them about His Gospel, His Good News -- that God loves all people and God wants all to have eternal life. That is why He is patient and still...
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Re: Why Did God Create Us?

Bill Gray ·
Hi Blue, Maybe you did not notice it --but, you have just named the big difference between Creationism and Darwinian Evolution. As you said, God created it all from nothing . And, you said, "Science says that this was all created from almost nothing ." "Almost nothing" implies that there was SOMETHING . Where did that SOMETHING come from? Who created the SOMETHING from which everything else was made according to science? Do yo see the huge hole left in the science explanation? Except for...
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Re: Why Did God Create Us?

skippy delepepper ·
Originally Posted by JimiHendrix: Bill keeps talking about 1800 correct prophecies in the Bible. How about giving us a couple of examples. It is vey easy to predictbthe future if you write your prediction after the event. Here's a Prediction. You spell worse than I. Oh that's after the fact. Here's a future prediction. Christ will return to this earth, and the foundations of the worldly society will be rocked. Skippy
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Re: Why Did God Create Us?

gbrk ·
Thanks for posting that Buffalo. Although many don't believe the accounts recorded in Scripture of what happened at Crucifixion or that it even happened at all I find one of the most interesting comments being that of the Centurion upon observing Christ Spirit pass, at physical death, and observing the Earth Quake making the statement "Truly this was the Son of God".
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Re: Does Jesus Christ have a Body of Flesh and Bones?

skippy delepepper ·
Sorry, I'm just trying to ask a Religious question on the Religion Forum. This forum lately been getting quite off track. Can we just get along and talk about religion and faith. About the Living Father his living Son Jesus Christ and the living Holy Ghost. The first two with a body. The Holy Ghost as spirit. Your Freind Skippy
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Re: Does Jesus Christ have a Body of Flesh and Bones?

skippy delepepper ·
I'm reading it different, at least for Jesus. In Luke 24 we read; 39Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. 41And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered , he said unto them, Have ye here any meat? 42And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb. 43And he took it, and did eat before them. 46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to...
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Re: Does Jesus Christ have a Body of Flesh and Bones?

INVICTUS ·
Originally Posted by skippy delepepper: Sorry, I'm just trying to ask a Religious question on the Religion Forum. This forum lately been getting quite off track. Can we just get along and talk about religion and faith. About the Living Father his living Son Jesus Christ and the living Holy Ghost. The first two with a body. The Holy Ghost as spirit. Your Freind Skippy Skip----Jesus' spirit lives within his glorified body, the Father doesn't have a glorified body. Never did. The Holy Spirit...
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Re: Christs original teachings restored

JimiHendrix ·
Originally Posted by WINDSONG: Brothers and Sisters, For about a year now, I have been posting on thi forum. I have seen this forum used in many ways. I am going to take a new aproach to how I use this forum. From this day forward, I will use this forum to teach the truthes of Christianity that have been restored to their fullness by JESUS CHRIST Himself, through modern day Prophets. I will not debate any of what I teach in here and I will ignore haraassing posts by Bill and...
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Re: Christs original teachings restored

Road Puppy ·
Originally Posted by gbrk: Originally Posted by Jennifer: Plenty of stupid people in the world that do odd things. Because they endured those things and died means nothing except they were blanked in the head. That doesn't constitute proof in any way. Where did your god come from? Why is it so inconceivable that Christians today could not have a personal interaction with God's Holy Spirit in the same way that there would be no question or doubt in their mind as to what just happened in their...
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Re: The Bible is true because the Bible says so

skippy delepepper ·
Originally Posted by JimiHendrix: Bill, in many of his posts, says that the Bible is true because the Bible says that it is true. Can anyone please explain why they think that this is logical? The Bible is mostly true because the Spirit of Christ tells you most of it's true. Those of you that have never expirienced the overwhelming guidance of His Spirit. If you would open your minds and hearts, you could to experience this and build faith. Skippy
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Re: The Bible is true because the Bible says so

JimiHendrix ·
Wow, I really got some folks' panties in a wad over this one. Just as I expected, no one has offered any LOGICAL thoughts about why this particular religious logical fallacy has any merit. Only some more vague statements about "faith" and the "Spirit of Christ" and such. Also that Skippy still hasn't found the spell check button and Cage is still in elementary school. His avatar has to be the most perfect one for him.
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Re: The Bible is true because the Bible says so

CageTheElephant ·
Originally Posted by JimiHendrix: Wow, I really got some folks' panties in a wad over this one. Just as I expected, no one has offered any LOGICAL thoughts about why this particular religious logical fallacy has any merit. Only some more vague statements about "faith" and the "Spirit of Christ" and such. Also that Skippy still hasn't found the spell check button and Cage is still in elementary school. His avatar has to be the most perfect one for him. If anything of logic was offered to...
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Re: Stephen Hawking on Heaven

skippy delepepper ·
I admire Hawking for continuing on regardless of his disability. He's an admired scientist and respected around the world. But he is of the world, and cannot comprehend Unseen forces that he cannot put to an equation to. God and his Son (Jesus Christ) exsist and the Bible is Mostly true and of God. Skippy
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Re: The Bible is true because the Bible says so

JimiHendrix ·
Originally Posted by CageTheElephant: Originally Posted by JimiHendrix: Wow, I really got some folks' panties in a wad over this one. Just as I expected, no one has offered any LOGICAL thoughts about why this particular religious logical fallacy has any merit. Only some more vague statements about "faith" and the "Spirit of Christ" and such. Also that Skippy still hasn't found the spell check button and Cage is still in elementary school. His avatar has to be the most perfect one for him. If...
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Re: The Bible is true because the Bible says so

JimiHendrix ·
Originally Posted by CageTheElephant: Originally Posted by JimiHendrix: Wow, I really got some folks' panties in a wad over this one. Just as I expected, no one has offered any LOGICAL thoughts about why this particular religious logical fallacy has any merit. Only some more vague statements about "faith" and the "Spirit of Christ" and such. Also that Skippy still hasn't found the spell check button and Cage is still in elementary school. His avatar has to be the most perfect one for him. If...
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Re: In the Beginning: A Conference on the Days of Creation

JimiHendrix ·
Originally Posted by Bill Gray: Hi to all my Forum Friends, This is just a heads up about a conference discussing Young Earth Creationism, Old Earth Creationism, Intelligent Design, and Science. I believe that both my Christian believing Friends and my non-believing Friends will find this interesting. If I were in the area, I would attend. God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day, Bill In the Beginning: A Conference on the Days of Creation At Briarwood Presbyterian Church, Birmingham, AL...
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Re: Stephen Hawking on Heaven

gbrk ·
Jennifer, I don't know God's reasoning for creating what He's created, I don't know the purpose for it or what God's mind conceives and that doesn't bother me for as a created being I don't expect that I'm superior to the person/thing/entity that was responsible for creation. What I DO KNOW without any reservation what so ever is GOD EXIST!. I have no question of that whatsoever although that was not always the case. I became aware with sufficient evidence and proof at the time I accepted...
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Re: Rapture Postponed.

gbrk ·
No, not at all. I believe that all believers, Christians, will be raptured whether Jew or Gentile. My mentioning of Jews is that God's people are the Jewish nation/Israel. I hope that anyone reading my post above would have realized that what I meant was that if there was a time associated with the Rapture then it would be not in Eastern Time or Pacific time as the prediction was by Camping but rather God's dealing with Humanity would be centered around Israel and therefore the time zone...
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Re: Presbyterian Church Takes Steps Closer to *** and ******* Ordinations.

Bill Gray ·
Hi Al, Yes, you are right. God does indeed love all people, all His creation. Yet, because both God's love and God's justice are perfect -- and because God gave all mankind the gift of "free will" -- not all people will be saved. We are told in 2 Peter 3:9 that God is very patient toward us, not wanting anyone to perish ; but, for all to come to repentance. But, we are told in 1 John 5:12, "He who has the Son has the life; he who does not have the Son of God DOES NOT have the life." What is...
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Re: If surviving a tornado proves there is a god...

AUsassygirl ·
I have read with great interest the question of why? some survive and some die in specifically the tornadoes of April. The answers, some of which I agree with and some make me want to cry; are at least honest. "Oh No", I am sorry for the lose of your husband. But am happy that your faith in God is seeing you through. For those of you who question with or without sarcasim, you are not alone. I question it myself; and I am a born again christian. My faith in God and his almighty power is very...
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Re: If surviving a tornado proves there is a god...

gbrk ·
From one Christian's perspective and regarding God, Tornadoes, Earthquakes, and other tragedies it is human nature for people to want to attribute good or blame negative things on God or some force beyond their own control. There was a time, in God's relation with Man/Woman/Humans that actions on man's part could and potentially would invoke the wrath of God. Often, as documented in Scripture, that wrath was unto generations to come. It also, to many, may seem unfair ( in human wisdom terms...
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Re: God found! In smaller brains

semiannualchick ·
Originally Posted by ShugaPush: I'm a former Episcopalian, but I know "born again" means baptized The Church of Christ teach that born again means baptized.
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Re: God found! In smaller brains

FirenzeVeritas ·
Originally Posted by semiannualchick: Originally Posted by ShugaPush: I'm a former Episcopalian, but I know "born again" means baptized The Church of Christ teach that born again means baptized. Wiki says all but Lutherans and Episcopalians believe born again means to be baptized. Obviously, some ideas have more merit than others. I have a friend who worships in a make-up cult. He says the more eye-liner, the crazier the person... Hmmm, he could be right.
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Re: Domination and control of this forum

skippy delepepper ·
Originally Posted by JimiHendrix: Originally Posted by skippy delepepper: Originally Posted by wright35633: Originally Posted by Not Shallow Not Slim: OMB... an atheist, bigoted, harsh moderator HERE? I'm LMAO. Seriously. It's lying on the floor, just there behind me. DF I assume he means someone who hates mormons. Since it is obviously Dwight. Or Windsong. Or Skippy. Hey wait a minute. You don't think..... No they all just spell equally terrible and have the same thought patterns. And...
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Re: Domination and control of this forum

wright35633 ·
Originally Posted by skippy delepepper: Originally Posted by JimiHendrix: Originally Posted by skippy delepepper: Originally Posted by wright35633: Originally Posted by Not Shallow Not Slim: OMB... an atheist, bigoted, harsh moderator HERE? I'm LMAO. Seriously. It's lying on the floor, just there behind me. DF I assume he means someone who hates mormons. Since it is obviously Dwight. Or Windsong. Or Skippy. Hey wait a minute. You don't think..... No they all just spell equally terrible and...
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Re: Domination and control of this forum

skippy delepepper ·
Originally Posted by wright35633: Originally Posted by skippy delepepper: Originally Posted by JimiHendrix: Originally Posted by skippy delepepper: Originally Posted by wright35633: Originally Posted by Not Shallow Not Slim: OMB... an atheist, bigoted, harsh moderator HERE? I'm LMAO. Seriously. It's lying on the floor, just there behind me. DF I assume he means someone who hates mormons. Since it is obviously Dwight. Or Windsong. Or Skippy. Hey wait a minute. You don't think..... No they all...
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Re: Domination and control of this forum

Bill Gray ·
Hi Skippy, Regarding your claim to be the "Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints," aka Mormon church: We read in Matthew 24:4-5, "And Jesus answered and said to them, 'See to it that no one misleads you. For many will come in My name, saying, "I am the Christ," and will mislead many.' " You see, Skippy, long before your cult church was dreamed up by Joseph Smith; Jesus Christ had already warned us of its coming -- and of the false Jesus Christ it would preach. As we are told in...
 
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