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Frank, it means that a small group of pizzed off people cannot make decisions that effect everyone else [factions] A single county government cannot make decisions to the disruption of the whole state. A single state cannot decide as a ruler over the union. The Federal government allows for a single vote by the citizenry to elect candidates. Based on the outcome of the vote the electoral college decides on the voters behalf if they have had sense enough to vote to begin with.. Then it’s all...
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This small pack of humanists would really rather everyone commit suicide as if to prove their theory of no God.
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Originally Posted by lexum: This small pack of humanists would really rather everyone commit suicide as if to prove their theory of no God. Hey buff, what do you consider "pulling the plug" on a loved one to be?? Is that murder or assisted suicide?
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1. best i don't consider it murder. 2. I don't consider it assisted suicide. answer to earlier question: People’s Temple Christian Church , Jim Jones, Jonestown, Guyana: Jones, influenced by Unitarian Humanism, Father Divine, and Marxism, founded his church in 1977. He later claimed at various times to be God, Buddha, and Lenin. In 1978 at Jones’ command, 914 people (including Jones) committed suicide or were murdered. The group is now defunct. Source: Watchman Fellowship: Index of Cults and...
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I didn't ask what you didn't consider it, I ask what you call it.
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Destructive cults The People's Temple, led by James Warren (Jim) Jones Background of the Peoples Temple: This was a Christian destructive, doomsday cult founded and led by James Warren Jones (1931-1978). Jim Jones held degrees from Indiana University and Butler University. He was not a Fundamentalist pastor as many reports in the media and the anti-cult movement claim. He belonged to a mainline Christian denomination, having been ordained in the Christian Church/Disciples of Christ . (At the...
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Oh, sorry, I call it no one else’s business but have made it their business to make judgment on behalf of another person. My dear friend was in a coma over a year ago for weeks and kept alive by science, the family was called in to make the decision to unplug her. We were all notified . The doctor said lets wait one more day. This summer I went to her house picked her up , took her to The Sweetwater Mansion, dressed her in a long dress with hoop-skirt , silk hat with ribbons and a silk fan...
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You may call it no one else's business but still, is it assisted suicide or murder? It ends in the death of the person so what do you call it buff? Come on, you can do better than that. Why would the doctor call in the family only to tell them to "wait one more day"? Sounds odd to me. So what is it buff, murder or assisted suicide?
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I hope I never have to make that decision for anyone but I would not criticize anyone that did. But yet you do criticize others. Seems to me you only have a problem with it if it's non-christians doing it. Know what that is buff? Hypocritical.
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Wul best it’s certainly not suicide because the person dying is not making the decision. In my opinion it’s not murder for sure but if you think it’s murder you are entitled to that belief.
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If the person dying was me and you were called to make a decision on my behalf it could very well be seen as murder by God.
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Originally Posted by lexum: Wul best it’s certainly not suicide because the person dying is not making the decision. In my opinion it’s not murder for sure but if you think it’s murder you are entitled to that belief. I haven't given you my opinion. I'm asking you which it is. Apparently you think it's not suicide or murder if it's a "christian" deciding. The person dying could very well have made the decision. People let their wishes be known all the time. So if they're dying and the family...
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Originally Posted by Bestworking: Originally Posted by lexum: Originally Posted by Bestworking: Hey buff, what do you consider "pulling the plug" on a loved one to be?? Is that murder or assisted suicide? ============================================================= neither one ----------------------------------------------------------------------- What is it then? It means the family is causing a death, so what do you call it? Best, I'm going to assume you're too kind to ask this question...
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Fire, I want buff to explain to me why he's upset with the humanists. Seems he has a problem with them alone about assisted suicide or "pulling the plug." I haven't given my opinion about it so I don't know where your little lecture comes from.
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Oh so it was all about critchuns huh? My intention was to point out the insane idea that humanists teach suicide as an alternative ideal to children who might see a break-up or teen pregnancy as a reason to kill themselves,. I never intended it to go to the unplug argument. But that’s ok. We’ll argue it too.
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Understood, but is a Baptist minister pulling the plug on his dying grandmother any different than a humanist pulling the plug on a person in similar straits?
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It also includes a recognition of an individual's right to die with dignity, euthanasia, and the right to suicide. Now where is all the other stuff you mentioned below buff? It's not in your copy/paste post so where is it? My intention was to point out the insane idea that humanists teach suicide as an alternative ideal to children who might see a break-up or teen pregnancy as a reason to kill themselves,
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Originally Posted by FirenzeVeritas: Understood, but is a Baptist minister pulling the plug on his dying grandmother any different than a humanist pulling the plug on a person in similar straits? That's what I'm asking buff.
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no difference darlin' none atall. That is not the point. pay attention
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Originally Posted by lexum: goin' to the boat best, don't follow me. Pfttttttttttttttt, yeah run. Don't worry about ME following you.
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i'm back, i saw you circling around down there. you better get that busted muffler fixed.
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Originally Posted by JimiHendrix: Another idiotic topic from the irrelevant mind of lexum, the King of the Inconsequential. The only thing worse than a troll is a troll that's an a s s h ole, too.
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Originally Posted by lexum: goin' to the boat best, don't follow me. ________________________ Exactly what do you do in that boat?
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didn't get on it. i sat on the dock and talked to friends and picked some guitar.
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Originally Posted by Bestworking: Fire, I want buff to explain to me why he's upset with the humanists. Seems he has a problem with them alone about assisted suicide or "pulling the plug." I haven't given my opinion about it so I don't know where your little lecture comes from. =================================== i'm not talking about assisted suicide bestun. I'm talking about humanist teaching children that it's ok to commit suicide. Humanism is child abuse.
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Originally Posted by lexum: Originally Posted by Bestworking: Fire, I want buff to explain to me why he's upset with the humanists. Seems he has a problem with them alone about assisted suicide or "pulling the plug." I haven't given my opinion about it so I don't know where your little lecture comes from. =================================== i'm not talking about assisted suicide bestun. I'm talking about humanist teaching children that it's ok to commit suicide. Humanism is child abuse.
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best, i've grown weary posting a link to the Manifesto. do you not pay any attention to what i post?
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but here it is: SEVENTH: To enhance freedom and dignity the individual must experience a full range of civil liberties in all societies. This includes freedom of speech and the press, political democracy, the legal right of opposition to governmental policies, fair judicial process, religious liberty, freedom of association, and artistic, scientific, and cultural freedom. It also includes a recognition of an individual's right to die with dignity, euthanasia, and the right to suicide . We...
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" It also includes a recognition of an individual's right to die with dignity, euthanasia, and the right to suicide." I don't think Lexum understands that there is a difference between euthanasia at suicide. Euthanasia is a cessation of life from the actions of others. Suicide is from the actions of one's self. ow in the world do we live in a world where, if I am diagnosed with a terminal illness and do not wish to face the inevitable pain and suffering, I am not able to make an informed...
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Yes frank lex knows the difference but where does the atheist/humanist draw the line when teaching small children that suicide is an acceptable option? Say a child has a problem fitting in at school, is suicide an option. I think you are stretching to think children should be taught this article of the manifesto. I say it’s child abuse in its most bizarre form being criminal.
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That is NOT a link showing that humanists are teaching children that suicide is OK. You are a liar pure and simple.
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EIGHTH: We are committed to an open and democratic society. We must extend participatory democracy in its true sense to the economy, the school, the family, the workplace, and voluntary associations. Decision-making must be decentralized to include widespread involvement of people at all levels -- social, political, and economic. All persons should have a voice in developing the values and goals that determine their lives. Institutions should be responsive to expressed desires and needs. The...
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ELEVENTH: The principle of moral equality must be furthered through elimination of all discrimination based upon race, religion, sex, age, or national origin. This means equality of opportunity and recognition of talent and merit. Individuals should be encouraged to contribute to their own betterment. If unable, then society should provide means to satisfy their basic economic, health, and cultural needs, including, wherever resources make possible, a minimum guaranteed annual income. We are...
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By all means best your sweat shop would quickly qualify you as a member the this socialist group. Back your li’l ears and jump right in. adot will sign you right up.
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What kind of business do we have and what qualifies it as a sweatshop? And I still need a link to your claim that humanists promote suicide for children and teens. Come on, tell me (ylposubcda).
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No buffalo. I would close my business down before I'd hire illegals. I don't even use companies that employ illegals. Not everyone is dishonest like you are buff.
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i figger if you would wish me dead you are capable of anything.
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Originally Posted by lexum: i figger if you would wish me dead you are capable of anything. Well, that's another thing you can show me, where i wished you dead. RP said the person "attempted" suicide. Not committed. But the truth doesn't matter to you members of the "liars club" and cryabeetus crowd. You're pulling a bill and trying to pull attention away from the fact that you lied. at·tempt·ed , at·tempt·ing , at·tempts 1. To try to perform, make, or achieve: Definition of commit (verb)...
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This is the current and active Humanist manifesto. HUMANISM AND ITS ASPIRATIONS Humanist Manifesto III, a successor to the Humanist Manifesto of 1933* Humanism is a progressive philosophy of life that, without supernaturalism, affirms our ability and responsibility to lead ethical lives of personal fulfillment that aspire to the greater good of humanity. The lifestance of Humanism—guided by reason, inspired by compassion, and informed by experience—encourages us to live life well and fully.
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......a quote from Manifesto III " Life's fulfillment emerges from individual participation in the service of humane ideals. We aim for our fullest possible development and animate our lives with a deep sense of purpose, finding wonder and awe in the joys and beauties of human existence, its challenges and tragedies, and even in the inevitability and finality of death" IF you get a wad of these people and convince them that " Life's fulfillment emerges from individual participation in the...
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From your christian manifesto: Do we not serve our deepest convictions if we decide to end our life at the moment in which its sacredness becomes compromised? IF you get a wad of these people and convince them that " Life's fulfillment emerges from individual participation in the service of humane ideals" and the finality of death, you got yourself some Jim Jones. i would suspect under the right circumstances they might just insist at gunpoint you drink the kool-aide.
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i flew over your place Monday. you need to clean up around it.
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Originally Posted by Bestworking: Destructive cults The People's Temple, led by James Warren (Jim) Jones Background of the Peoples Temple: This was a Christian destructive, doomsday cult founded and led by James Warren Jones (1931-1978). Jim Jones held degrees from Indiana University and Butler University. He was not a Fundamentalist pastor as many reports in the media and the anti-cult movement claim. He belonged to a mainline Christian denomination, having been ordained in the Christian...
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Bestun, is working on her daily quota of lying nash; pay no attention.