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Re: An Atheist's Perfect Solution For God And Creationism?

I am the Fireman ·
Great post Bill.
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JimiHendrix ·
There is no reason to prove something false for which there is no evidence to begin with.
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Road Puppy ·
Oo. "Magic....." :-O
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semiannualchick ·
Originally Posted by Bill Gray: Hi to my Forum Friends, I met a wonderful man who exuded love, God's love. Bill ********************************************************* Sure can't say the same for you.
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Unobtanium ·
The youngest among us "get it." It takes years of indoctrination to make them give up critical thinking and simply accept what grown-ups spew at them from the pulpit: How My Six Year Old Boy Debunked Intelligent Design Posted by Bryanderthal on February 13, 2010 at 7:00pm View Blog I was attempting to explain to my son, Brance, who just turned six two weeks ago, why it was better to refrain from saying “Oh God!” especially around his grandparents. He didn’t understand why it was such a big...
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b50m ·
What I find interesting in the story Unob, is for all the bashing of religious folks, no one 'forced' their ideas onto this six year old except his atheist father. Not the Mormon grandparents and not the Catholic grandparents. But the father made sure that the boy understood that God was 'an idiot'. So a six year old can understand the complexities of genetics and mutations and evolution, but God is an idiot. Right.
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b50m ·
How can God be an idiot if he doesn't exist Jimi?
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Bestworking ·
I guess the same way santa can be a jolly old elf or the tooth fairy can leave money under the pillow.
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Unobtanium ·
Originally Posted by b50m: What I find interesting in the story Unob, is for all the bashing of religious folks, no one 'forced' their ideas onto this six year old except his atheist father. --- What in the world gave you that idea? The writer seemed to be very careful about being neutral and simply willing to let the child talk freely. HE had the same approach as I did with my kids and, I suspect, as you had with your kids who evidently have wildly distinct belief systems. -- But the father...
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b50m ·
Oh, I don't know, maybe the way daddy told the story completely 'unbiased' and made sure to laugh at the whole thing. And you find me a six year old who understands the nomenclature of the animal kingdom, and I'll buy him a new car. "I forgot to tell him the lie he would be confronted with" ” I laughed aloud but decided not to give him my opinion as he clearly was about to spout off another question" "Brilliant. He had caught the fact that the bible considers everything in the ocean to be a...
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CrustyMac ·
I'm not an atheist, but it is obvious from scientific study that the fundamentalist belief in a young universe and denial of evolution are simply wrong. The Catholics resolved the question of science vs Bible centuries ago, and mainstream Christianity embraces it. The cult of fundamentalism requires the Bible to be literal and inerrant or their distorted philosophy falls apart, much like Scientology requires a belief in alien domination. The formula is simple, Bill Gray = Jim Jones and his...
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b50m ·
PS: Basically daddy said "Son, there is this stupid fairy tale you will here about that ignorant people like your grandparents believe in, but it's OK, we can accept that they are idiots." A completely accurate portrayal of religion from an atheist.
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Unobtanium ·
Originally Posted by b50m: Oh, I don't know, maybe the way daddy told the story completely 'unbiased' and made sure to laugh at the whole thing. And you find me a six year old who understands the nomenclature of the animal kingdom, and I'll buy him a new car. ---- OK, you win. So the dad is telling a fairy tale and the child is laughing at the silliness of it. Is there something "wrong" with that, B5? Yes, even kids are capable of detecting BS. Much better than adults. To get a kid to accept...
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Bestworking ·
OK, so the atheist's child can't grasp it but christian parents of a six year old can swear their children love and worship the lord, many claiming their three year old can "preach a sermon" as well as any adult, and beaming at them when they recite their little verses and swearing they understand what they're saying. Got it.
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b50m ·
LOL, don't put me in with magpie/idiot or Bill. I'm not a Christian, remember. FWIW, I told my kids about God and that I believed he was real. I also told them about other beliefs as well. No lying as this daddy did and no ridicule. As stated I have one who is Druid and one Agnostic. They decided on their own, not because of me laughing at the religions.
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INVICTUS ·
Originally Posted by Unobtanium: Who the heck in their right mind would defend this Creation story in these modern times? . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ modern times??? uno, what does modern times have to do with it??? It has nothing to do with the Eternal Father. .
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Unobtanium ·
Originally Posted by b50m: LOL, don't put me in with magpie/idiot or Bill. ---- You are defending the creation story with the same zeal they have, B5. Lay down with dogs, get up with fleas. The child was being critical of a stupid story that many hold to be true. Being critical of stupid things is a good thing to foster in a child. You disagree, so be it.
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A. Robustus ·
b, From my reading of it, the father was responding in kind to the son's level comprehension, his son's level of incredulity and at what the son in particular found amusing about that creation story. I didn't read imposition unless one confuses his narrative to the reader with what he did/didn't say to his son.
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b50m ·
Originally Posted by Unobtanium: Originally Posted by b50m: LOL, don't put me in with magpie/idiot or Bill. ---- You are defending the creation story with the same zeal they have, B5. Lay down with dogs, get up with fleas. The child was being critical of a stupid story that many hold to be true. Being critical of stupid things is a good thing to foster in a child. You disagree, so be it. The child was being offered the Bible as a fictional story by a parent laughing about it. The parent gave...
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b50m ·
Originally Posted by A. Robustus: b, From my reading of it, the father was responding in kind to the son's level comprehension, his son's level of incredulity and at what the son in particular found amusing about that creation story. I didn't read imposition unless one confuses his narrative to the reader with what he did/didn't say to his son. AR, With the father laughing and starting his story line with "tell him about the lie", do you really think this young child did not pick up on his...
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A. Robustus ·
Originally Posted by b50m: Originally Posted by A. Robustus: b, From my reading of it, the father was responding in kind to the son's level of comprehension, his son's level of incredulity and at what the son in particular found amusing about that creation story. I didn't read imposition unless one confuses his narrative to the reader with what he did/didn't say to his son. AR, With the father laughing and starting his story line with "tell him about the lie", do you really think this young...
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b50m ·
I realize that is not what he said to his son, or he might have, he didn't really say how he started the discussion. Just that his son using the phrase 'Oh God' might upset his grandparents. Odd that if he is atheist, why is 'Oh God' used in his household? As I stated, a parent can tell their own child anything they want to.
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A. Robustus ·
Originally Posted by b50m: I realize that is not what he said to his son, or he might have, he didn't really say how he started the discussion. Just that his son using the phrase 'Oh God' might upset his grandparents. Odd that if he is atheist, why is 'Oh God' used in his household? I use "Good Lord!", "Oh Jesus!" "Oh God", etc. all the time. It's part of the English cultural vernacular. I don't limit myself from any language regardless of source. It certainly doesn't make me any less atheistic.
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b50m ·
But why? Do you yell Oh Santa Claus? Good Easter Bunny? Sweet Leprechaun? To use the phrase still implies that there is someone out there, listening.
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Bestworking ·
Do you yell Oh Santa Claus? Good Easter Bunny? Sweet Leprechaun? If you had grown up hearing those phrases you would yell them. Is there a god called "fiddlesticks" or "sugar"? Both words used instead of curse words. For the "love of mike" was another phrase. Who is mike? Oh and "jeese louise".
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b50m ·
I wonder if they are used in an atheist household that has atheist parents and kids. Or does society corrupt the pure environment with evil religious sayings? You realize that to invoke those sayings is really asking for the help of that being, right? Dear God, help me. Jesus, come to me. Good Lord, what has happened?
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Bestworking ·
Once again they're only used if you grow up hearing them used. It's kinda hard not to hear them since everybody and his brother, movies and every program on tv use the phrases. So to me they have about as much meaning as saying "sugarfoot" or "fiddlesticks". Let's not forget "for crying out loud".
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A. Robustus ·
Originally Posted by b50m: I wonder if they are used in an atheist household that has atheist parents and kids. Or does society corrupt the pure environment with evil religious sayings? You realize that to invoke those sayings is really asking for the help of that being, right? Dear God, help me. Jesus, come to me. Good Lord, what has happened? Well, I realize that they're also secular figures of speech which usually describe exasperation and the like. It's not "really" asking anything from...
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An Atheist's Perfect Solution For God And Creationism?

Bill Gray ·
Hi to my Forum Friends, Our atheist Friend, Deep, feels he has the perfect plan to, once and for all time, put God, Christians, and Creationism in their proper places.   So, like his role models, Dawkins, Hitchens, et al, Deep asks, "Will...
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