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Re: Suicide and The Humanists among us

lexum ·
Best I know of no Christian group that condones suicide . The Humanist teach suicide as a rational alternative to “suffering” which can include physical, mental or imagined. I,‘m not saying you are a humanist and I hope you have sense enough not to teach children that suicide is an alternative to include an escape from bullying, breakups etc……what you may see as an adult as non-rational is not always seen that way by children.
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lexum ·
Originally Posted by Bestworking: Hey buff, what do you consider "pulling the plug" on a loved one to be?? Is that murder or assisted suicide? ============================================================= neither one
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Bestworking ·
Originally Posted by lexum: Originally Posted by Bestworking: Hey buff, what do you consider "pulling the plug" on a loved one to be?? Is that murder or assisted suicide? ============================================================= neither one ----------------------------------------------------------------------- What is it then? It means the family is causing a death, so what do you call it?
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Bestworking ·
Originally Posted by Bestworking: Originally Posted by lexum: Best I know of no Christian group that condones suicide . The Humanist teach suicide as a rational alternative to “suffering” which can include physical, mental or imagined. I,‘m not saying you are a humanist and I hope you have sense enough not to teach children that suicide is an alternative to include an escape from bullying, breakups etc……what you may see as an adult as non-rational is not always seen that way by children.
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Frankly ·
I'm of a more "liberal" denomination of churches. You don't have to be a humanist to support euthanasia. I watched the wife of a friend die recently. I was a long, agonizing, undignified death for someone who was so full of life up until a few months ago. She stood absolutely no chance of survival. Her husband and children had to endure her pain while she wasted away. Why in the world would anyone pretend to judge this family if they were able to make a choice to end her suffering?
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Frankly ·
Originally Posted by Bestworking: Originally Posted by Bestworking: Originally Posted by lexum: Best I know of no Christian group that condones suicide . ============================================== You are out of touch with reality. Many denominations support euthanasia Here is an example: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2...n/16/health.religion
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lexum ·
Best , the family is not causing a death. You ask me was pulling the plug murder or assisted suicide. I say neither one. Teaching children that suicide is an alternative to “suffering” is insane. It is a part of this cult teaching. Best if you are being sucked into this humanist madness you need to talk atheists that are not sucked in by humanism. There are normal atheist out there but not on this forum. I have an atheist friend and I can tell you he ain’t going to join a humanist group any...
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Bestworking ·
Originally Posted by lexum: Best , the family is not causing a death. You ask me was pulling the plug murder or assisted suicide. I say neither one. Teaching children that suicide is an alternative to “suffering” is insane. It is a part of this cult teaching. Best if you are being sucked into this humanist madness you need to talk atheists that are not sucked in by humanism. There are normal atheist out there but not on this forum. I have an atheist friend and I can tell you he ain’t going...
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lexum ·
Frank, there is no line that is safe when drawn by passion of the maverick. They are always a faction and thank God the framers of our constitution neutered them with the three branches of our Federal Government.
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JimiHendrix ·
Another idiotic topic from the irrelevant mind of lexum, the King of the Inconsequential.
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lexum ·
Don’t be so mean and hateful best I’m just trying to have a sensible conversation. What in hell is your problem anyhow? You always have your butt up over your shoulder . Lighten up
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Bestworking ·
Originally Posted by lexum: Don’t be so mean and hateful best I’m just trying to have a sensible conversation. What in hell is your problem anyhow? You always have your butt up over your shoulder . Lighten up Mean and hateful? How so? Because I ask you a simple question? If you can't answer, and if you can't provide links for your claims just say so. And while you're at it, show me my "mean and hateful" post. Funny how you and a few others call it mean and hateful when someone asks you a...
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Frankly ·
Originally Posted by lexum: Frank, there is no line that is safe when drawn by passion of the maverick. They are always a faction and thank God the framers of our constitution neutered them with the three branches of our Federal Government. ============= I have no idea what that means.
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lexum ·
Frank, it means that a small group of pizzed off people cannot make decisions that effect everyone else [factions] A single county government cannot make decisions to the disruption of the whole state. A single state cannot decide as a ruler over the union. The Federal government allows for a single vote by the citizenry to elect candidates. Based on the outcome of the vote the electoral college decides on the voters behalf if they have had sense enough to vote to begin with.. Then it’s all...
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lexum ·
This small pack of humanists would really rather everyone commit suicide as if to prove their theory of no God.
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Bestworking ·
Originally Posted by lexum: This small pack of humanists would really rather everyone commit suicide as if to prove their theory of no God. Hey buff, what do you consider "pulling the plug" on a loved one to be?? Is that murder or assisted suicide?
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lexum ·
1. best i don't consider it murder. 2. I don't consider it assisted suicide. answer to earlier question: People’s Temple Christian Church , Jim Jones, Jonestown, Guyana: Jones, influenced by Unitarian Humanism, Father Divine, and Marxism, founded his church in 1977. He later claimed at various times to be God, Buddha, and Lenin. In 1978 at Jones’ command, 914 people (including Jones) committed suicide or were murdered. The group is now defunct. Source: Watchman Fellowship: Index of Cults and...
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Bestworking ·
I didn't ask what you didn't consider it, I ask what you call it.
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Bestworking ·
Destructive cults The People's Temple, led by James Warren (Jim) Jones Background of the Peoples Temple: This was a Christian destructive, doomsday cult founded and led by James Warren Jones (1931-1978). Jim Jones held degrees from Indiana University and Butler University. He was not a Fundamentalist pastor as many reports in the media and the anti-cult movement claim. He belonged to a mainline Christian denomination, having been ordained in the Christian Church/Disciples of Christ . (At the...
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lexum ·
Oh, sorry, I call it no one else’s business but have made it their business to make judgment on behalf of another person. My dear friend was in a coma over a year ago for weeks and kept alive by science, the family was called in to make the decision to unplug her. We were all notified . The doctor said lets wait one more day. This summer I went to her house picked her up , took her to The Sweetwater Mansion, dressed her in a long dress with hoop-skirt , silk hat with ribbons and a silk fan...
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Bestworking ·
You may call it no one else's business but still, is it assisted suicide or murder? It ends in the death of the person so what do you call it buff? Come on, you can do better than that. Why would the doctor call in the family only to tell them to "wait one more day"? Sounds odd to me. So what is it buff, murder or assisted suicide?
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Bestworking ·
I hope I never have to make that decision for anyone but I would not criticize anyone that did. But yet you do criticize others. Seems to me you only have a problem with it if it's non-christians doing it. Know what that is buff? Hypocritical.
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lexum ·
Wul best it’s certainly not suicide because the person dying is not making the decision. In my opinion it’s not murder for sure but if you think it’s murder you are entitled to that belief.
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lexum ·
If the person dying was me and you were called to make a decision on my behalf it could very well be seen as murder by God.
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Bestworking ·
Originally Posted by lexum: Wul best it’s certainly not suicide because the person dying is not making the decision. In my opinion it’s not murder for sure but if you think it’s murder you are entitled to that belief. I haven't given you my opinion. I'm asking you which it is. Apparently you think it's not suicide or murder if it's a "christian" deciding. The person dying could very well have made the decision. People let their wishes be known all the time. So if they're dying and the family...
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FirenzeVeritas ·
Originally Posted by Bestworking: Originally Posted by lexum: Originally Posted by Bestworking: Hey buff, what do you consider "pulling the plug" on a loved one to be?? Is that murder or assisted suicide? ============================================================= neither one ----------------------------------------------------------------------- What is it then? It means the family is causing a death, so what do you call it? Best, I'm going to assume you're too kind to ask this question...
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Bestworking ·
Fire, I want buff to explain to me why he's upset with the humanists. Seems he has a problem with them alone about assisted suicide or "pulling the plug." I haven't given my opinion about it so I don't know where your little lecture comes from.
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lexum ·
Oh so it was all about critchuns huh? My intention was to point out the insane idea that humanists teach suicide as an alternative ideal to children who might see a break-up or teen pregnancy as a reason to kill themselves,. I never intended it to go to the unplug argument. But that’s ok. We’ll argue it too.
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FirenzeVeritas ·
Understood, but is a Baptist minister pulling the plug on his dying grandmother any different than a humanist pulling the plug on a person in similar straits?
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Bestworking ·
It also includes a recognition of an individual's right to die with dignity, euthanasia, and the right to suicide. Now where is all the other stuff you mentioned below buff? It's not in your copy/paste post so where is it? My intention was to point out the insane idea that humanists teach suicide as an alternative ideal to children who might see a break-up or teen pregnancy as a reason to kill themselves,
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Bestworking ·
Originally Posted by FirenzeVeritas: Understood, but is a Baptist minister pulling the plug on his dying grandmother any different than a humanist pulling the plug on a person in similar straits? That's what I'm asking buff.
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lexum ·
no difference darlin' none atall. That is not the point. pay attention
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lexum ·
goin' to the boat best, don't follow me.
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Bestworking ·
Originally Posted by lexum: goin' to the boat best, don't follow me. Pfttttttttttttttt, yeah run. Don't worry about ME following you.
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lexum ·
i'm back, i saw you circling around down there. you better get that busted muffler fixed.
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dogsoldier0513 ·
Originally Posted by JimiHendrix: Another idiotic topic from the irrelevant mind of lexum, the King of the Inconsequential. The only thing worse than a troll is a troll that's an a s s h ole, too.
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semiannualchick ·
Originally Posted by lexum: goin' to the boat best, don't follow me. ________________________ Exactly what do you do in that boat?
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lexum ·
didn't get on it. i sat on the dock and talked to friends and picked some guitar.
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lexum ·
Happy Thanksgiving Jimmi.
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Re: Suicide and The Humanists among us

lexum ·
Originally Posted by Bestworking: Fire, I want buff to explain to me why he's upset with the humanists. Seems he has a problem with them alone about assisted suicide or "pulling the plug." I haven't given my opinion about it so I don't know where your little lecture comes from. =================================== i'm not talking about assisted suicide bestun. I'm talking about humanist teaching children that it's ok to commit suicide. Humanism is child abuse.
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Bestworking ·
Originally Posted by lexum: Originally Posted by Bestworking: Fire, I want buff to explain to me why he's upset with the humanists. Seems he has a problem with them alone about assisted suicide or "pulling the plug." I haven't given my opinion about it so I don't know where your little lecture comes from. =================================== i'm not talking about assisted suicide bestun. I'm talking about humanist teaching children that it's ok to commit suicide. Humanism is child abuse.
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lexum ·
best, i've grown weary posting a link to the Manifesto. do you not pay any attention to what i post?
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lexum ·
but here it is: SEVENTH: To enhance freedom and dignity the individual must experience a full range of civil liberties in all societies. This includes freedom of speech and the press, political democracy, the legal right of opposition to governmental policies, fair judicial process, religious liberty, freedom of association, and artistic, scientific, and cultural freedom. It also includes a recognition of an individual's right to die with dignity, euthanasia, and the right to suicide . We...
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Frankly ·
" It also includes a recognition of an individual's right to die with dignity, euthanasia, and the right to suicide." I don't think Lexum understands that there is a difference between euthanasia at suicide. Euthanasia is a cessation of life from the actions of others. Suicide is from the actions of one's self. ow in the world do we live in a world where, if I am diagnosed with a terminal illness and do not wish to face the inevitable pain and suffering, I am not able to make an informed...
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lexum ·
Yes frank lex knows the difference but where does the atheist/humanist draw the line when teaching small children that suicide is an acceptable option? Say a child has a problem fitting in at school, is suicide an option. I think you are stretching to think children should be taught this article of the manifesto. I say it’s child abuse in its most bizarre form being criminal.
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Bestworking ·
That is NOT a link showing that humanists are teaching children that suicide is OK. You are a liar pure and simple.
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Bestworking ·
EIGHTH: We are committed to an open and democratic society. We must extend participatory democracy in its true sense to the economy, the school, the family, the workplace, and voluntary associations. Decision-making must be decentralized to include widespread involvement of people at all levels -- social, political, and economic. All persons should have a voice in developing the values and goals that determine their lives. Institutions should be responsive to expressed desires and needs. The...
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Bestworking ·
ELEVENTH: The principle of moral equality must be furthered through elimination of all discrimination based upon race, religion, sex, age, or national origin. This means equality of opportunity and recognition of talent and merit. Individuals should be encouraged to contribute to their own betterment. If unable, then society should provide means to satisfy their basic economic, health, and cultural needs, including, wherever resources make possible, a minimum guaranteed annual income. We are...
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lexum ·
By all means best your sweat shop would quickly qualify you as a member the this socialist group. Back your li’l ears and jump right in. adot will sign you right up.
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Bestworking ·
What kind of business do we have and what qualifies it as a sweatshop? And I still need a link to your claim that humanists promote suicide for children and teens. Come on, tell me (ylposubcda).

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