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Re: Where's the Outrage!
Originally Posted by interventor1212: At least, it doesn't call for suspension of the Constitution, as did Governor Perdue. Nor, did the arrest of Jose Pedilla come under the Patriot Act, as Extra claimed. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In those famous words: "YOU LIE" I never mentioned Padilla in reference to the patriot act. I pointed out that the government had already used unlimited detention under Bush.
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Re: Where's the Outrage!
Originally Posted by Extra-260: The patriot act allows for the incarceration of american civilians without access to the courts. it's not even an argument. Why the concern? You like Obambi ... you're insulated...
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Re: Where's the Outrage!
Originally Posted by marksw59: Originally Posted by Extra-260: The patriot act allows for the incarceration of american civilians without access to the courts. it's not even an argument. Why the concern? You like Obambi ... you're insulated... I do not like Obama, i held my nose and voted for McCain. I would have supported Obama if he were a real democrat. But as time has now shown,he is the third term of Bush. I can honestly say, I cannot stand Bush.
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Re: Where's the Outrage!
Ditzy’s post: “ Jose Padilla, an American citizen held without charge for more than three years as an enemy combatant was indicted after three years of confinement. The indictment, which was returned by a federal grand jury in Miami, said that Mr. Padilla had plotted with four co-defendants in South Florida and elsewhere from October 1993 to the fall of 2001 to promote terrorist activities overseas. As an alleged enemy combatant by executive fiat (sic), Padilla was whisked away to military...
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Re: Where's the Outrage!
Originally Posted by interventor1212: At least, it doesn't call for suspension of the Constitution, as did Governor Perdue. Nor, did the arrest of Jose Pedilla come under the Patriot Act, as Extra claimed. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Extra’s post: “In those famous words: "YOU LIE" I never mentioned Padilla in reference to the patriot act. I pointed out that the government had already used unlimited detention...
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Re: Where's the Outrage!
“At his news briefing here, Mr. Gonzales credited the USA Patriot Act with helping to make the prosecution of Mr. Padilla possible. Thats all that matters. The AG knows 100% more about US law than the Duck.
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Re: Where's the Outrage!
So, Ditzy, what's your beef. That the AG knew more, I won't argue. I posted his statement that the Patriot Act helped in gathering intelliegence to catch Pedilla. That certainly didn't violate the Constitution. You're now complaining about a nothing! Now, what about Perdue -- resignation, impeachment or arrest! Which?
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Re: Where's the Outrage!
Now, now *ucky. A suggestion is far from an overt act. Like arms-for-hostages. The Patriot Act facilitated the incarceration for 3 years without charge of an American citizen. Thats it. Thats the whole story. No one cares if some governor makes an offhand comment about the failings of Congress.
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Re: Where's the Outrage!
As shown, the Patriot Act, had nothing to do with it. Gonzales didn't state that! His defense didn't state that! The superior court ruling didn't state that! And, the Patriot Act doesn't state that! Only, an indignant barracks lawyer states that -- you! Some argument --"because I say so!" Last heard that in third grade. As to Perdue's statement -- if no one cares, why has she changed her story three times. Between the governor and the ex-chief of OMB, it sounds like the Dems are trying to...
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Re: Where's the Outrage!
Originally Posted by interventor1212: As shown, the Patriot Act, had nothing to do with it. Gonzales didn't state that! His defense didn't state that! The superior court ruling didn't state that! And, the Patriot Act doesn't state that! Only, an indignant barracks lawyer states that -- you! Some argument --"because I say so!" Last heard that in third grade. As to Perdue's statement -- if no one cares, why has she changed her story three times. Between the governor and the ex-chief of OMB, it...
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Re: Where's the Outrage!
Extra, The left, some libertarians and you can't tell the difference between war and law enforcement. I will address that point in the other post. Far from burning out, I'm advocating for a strategy necessary for the survival of the West. The left can't understand complicated things, some libertarians strive to remain such purists that they would choose suicide over survival, and you (?). For this post, suffice it that I've shown the Patriot Act does not include the provisions you swore it...
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Re: Where's the Outrage!
Originally Posted by Mr.Dittohead: No one cares if some governor makes an offhand comment about the failings of Congress. Really? Then why don't you start another thread yourself to discuss the Patriot Act rather than trying to deflect the subject of a Democrat Governor that apparently thinks the Constitutional process is getting in the way of her idea of getting things done?
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Re: Where's the Outrage!
Originally Posted by Roland Pfalz: Originally Posted by marksw59: Wasn't this thread about the sitting Democrat Governor of North Caroline opining that we should just "do away with elections"? It was ignored / deflected by the "yeah, but" liberals here. The suspension of a Congressional election would have zero impact on your life. The Patriot Act has had a measurable impact on your life, yet you ignore and acquiesce your Constitutionally derived rights merely because a Repube suggested that...
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Re: Where's the Outrage!
Originally Posted by Mr.Dittohead: Originally Posted by Roland Pfalz: Originally Posted by marksw59: Wasn't this thread about the sitting Democrat Governor of North Caroline opining that we should just "do away with elections"? It was ignored / deflected by the "yeah, but" liberals here. The suspension of a Congressional election would have zero impact on your life. The Patriot Act has had a measurable impact on your life, yet you ignore and acquiesce your Constitutionally derived rights...
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Re: Where's the Outrage!
If you were a patriotic American, you wouldnt need the illegal aspects of the Patriot Act explained to you.
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Re: Where's the Outrage!
Originally Posted by Mr.Dittohead: If you were a patriotic American, you wouldnt need the illegal aspects of the Patriot Act explained to you. Ditzy, I've shown on a number of posts the act doesn't do much of what you say it does.
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Re: Where's the Outrage!
Originally Posted by interventor1212: Originally Posted by Mr.Dittohead: If you were a patriotic American, you wouldnt need the illegal aspects of the Patriot Act explained to you. Ditzy, I've shown on a number of posts the act doesn't do much of what you say it does. Ohhhh, really? http://www.time.com/time/natio...8599,2079666,00.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C..._the_USA_PATRIOT_Act " Wrongful accusations under the Act In May 2004, Professor Steve Kurtz of the University at Buffalo...
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Re: Where's the Outrage!
Fascism at it's finest. 11 References [ edit ] 2007 US Justice Department audit finds FBI abuse of PATRIOT act powers Wikinews has related news: U.S. Justice Dept. says FBI misused USA PATRIOT Act On March 9, 2007, a Justice Department audit found that the FBI had "improperly and, in some cases, illegally used the USA PATRIOT Act to secretly obtain personal information" about United States citizens. [ 1 ] On June 15, 2007, following an internal audit finding that FBI agents abused the USA...
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Re: Where's the Outrage!
Originally Posted by Extra-260: Originally Posted by interventor1212: Originally Posted by Mr.Dittohead: If you were a patriotic American, you wouldnt need the illegal aspects of the Patriot Act explained to you. Ditzy, I've shown on a number of posts the act doesn't do much of what you say it does. Ohhhh, really? http://www.time.com/time/natio...8599,2079666,00.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C..._the_USA_PATRIOT_Act " Wrongful accusations under the Act In May 2004, Professor Steve Kurtz...
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Re: Where's the Outrage!
Originally Posted by Extra-260: Fascism at it's finest. 11 References [ edit ] 2007 US Justice Department audit finds FBI abuse of PATRIOT act powers Wikinews has related news: U.S. Justice Dept. says FBI misused USA PATRIOT Act On March 9, 2007, a Justice Department audit found that the FBI had "improperly and, in some cases, illegally used the USA PATRIOT Act to secretly obtain personal information" about United States citizens. [ 1 ] On June 15, 2007, following an internal audit finding...
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Re: DON'T FEAR THE REAPER!
The precident is now set. You live in the rural areas of Idaho. An undercover FBI agent befriends you and asks you to saw off his shot gun for him. You do it. He says he wants to overthrow the government. You now are listed as a terrorist under the Patriot act. Only you have many well armed friends and the government is afraid to come in and take you by force lest they fear the death of FBI agents. The decision is made, and a predator drone is dispatched. Could it happen? According to...
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Re: DON'T FEAR THE REAPER!
Originally Posted by Extra-260: The precident is now set. You live in the rural areas of Idaho. An undercover FBI agent befriends you and asks you to saw off his shot gun for him. You do it. He says he wants to overthrow the government. You now are listed as a terrorist under the Patriot act. Only you have many well armed friends and the government is afraid to come in and take you by force lest they fear the death of FBI agents. The decision is made, and a predator drone is dispatched.
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Re: DON'T FEAR THE REAPER!
Originally Posted by interventor1212: Originally Posted by Extra-260: The precident is now set. You live in the rural areas of Idaho. An undercover FBI agent befriends you and asks you to saw off his shot gun for him. You do it. He says he wants to overthrow the government. You now are listed as a terrorist under the Patriot act. Only you have many well armed friends and the government is afraid to come in and take you by force lest they fear the death of FBI agents. The decision is made,...
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Re: DON'T FEAR THE REAPER!
Originally Posted by interventor1212: And, here forum readers, we have near perfect examples of the classic Libertarian (Renegade), the left wing progressive (Ditzy), and the conspiracy theorist (Extra). Renegade, whom I agree with on many things, blinds himself to the portion of the constitution, law and precedent dating back over 200 years, that allow such actions, because he believes under all circumstances and in all lands, the citizen must be given due process, even if it's impossible...
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Re: Hispanic Students Disappear from Alabama Schools
Originally Posted by dogsoldier0513: Originally Posted by JimiHendrix: That you this numerous shows the depth of you racism. It is truly disgusting and un-American. Why don't you use the American flag. Does it disgust you? More people were enslaved under the US flag than ever under the Confederate flag. REFUTE that. No need to. It has nothing to do with your anit-American bigotry. I am sure that one of the middle-eastern countries that also hate America would be happy to have you come live...
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Re: Hispanic Students Disappear from Alabama Schools
Originally Posted by JimiHendrix: Originally Posted by dogsoldier0513: Originally Posted by JimiHendrix: That you this numerous shows the depth of you racism. It is truly disgusting and un-American. Why don't you use the American flag. Does it disgust you? More people were enslaved under the US flag than ever under the Confederate flag. REFUTE that. No need to. It has nothing to do with your anit-American bigotry. I am sure that one of the middle-eastern countries that also hate America...
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Re: How to destroy America
Right there with you both...that is eye opening and scary...but that one didn't hit the mainline media did it??? wonder why??? Thanks!!!
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Re: Some images of people "supporting the troops not the mission"
What I was trying to get at is that in Iraq we pretty much just hit Saddams compounds, while during the War, for whatever reason, their cities were distroyed. If we are having so much trouble in Bagdad, then why is there so much of it still standing? Saw on TV (60 minutes) just the other day, a young souldier is going to be court-marshaled because after being hit by a roadside bomg, and taking fire from some houses , he ordered an attack on those two houses and some civilians were killed. My...
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Re: Some images of people "supporting the troops not the mission"
We are still there by the way - and in Korea.
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Re: Some images of people "supporting the troops not the mission"
This isn't a war anymore. We won the war in about 3 weeks. No country in the world can face our military and win in a traditional fight. This is anywhere close to traditional warfare and combat. This is an occupation of a country birthed from an illegal invasion. You don't see these problems in Kuwait do you? That's because we liberated them, we didn't invaded them and occupy their country for 4 years. And as far as winning this war...I guess you think we are going to win this one just like...
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Re: Some images of people "supporting the troops not the mission"
We Won Vietnam. Then we tried to keep it. GO READ THE HISTORY OF THE WAR, AND ITS JUSTIFICATION. Eisenhower set the Objective. Preventing the Spread of Communism. WE PREVENTED THE SPREAD OF COMMUNISM TO: Cambodia, Laos, and the rest of Southeast Asia and beyond. We did not prevent the unification of Vietnam. The raw materials, notably Tin, and latex, are still available to the USA and other Non Communist countries Despite the takeover by the North Vietnamese. If you insist on commenting on...
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Re: Some images of people "supporting the troops not the mission"
You call the way we pulled out of Vietnam "winning"? Surely you jest? I guess you can tell the millions that died after we pulled out how it feels to be winners?
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Re: Some images of people "supporting the troops not the mission"
I call trying to take the whole cake and loosing virtually none of it winning. WE PULLED OUT BECAUSE WE HAD NO INTENTION OF CONQUERING THE COUNTRY. We accomplished the objective. WE DID NOT CONQUER THE COUNTRY. WE INTENDED TO PULL OUT FROM THE VERY FIST DAY...IN 1958.
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Re: Some images of people "supporting the troops not the mission"
Southern Patriot, we have a fundamental controversy here, and it applies to Iraq as well as Vietnam. You are expansionist, and seek domination. I am not expansionist, and wish to find common ground. The heat of the battles between you and me is based on that single difference. WE ARE THE GREATEST NATION ON EARTH. We don't have any reason to be the ONLY nation on earth.
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Re: Hope I understand it right.
What really kills me is the fact that some folks in congress don't even realize all of the powers they issued to Bush when they signed off on his Patriot Act. IMHO, SP's right: funding the war or not funding the war are their only honest options right now.
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Re: Hope I understand it right.
It's not so much the Patriot Act. Congress is the one who passed the Iraq war resolution that gave the president the power to do what he felt needed to be done. He is the CinC. If they don't like the way he is prosecuting the war then they should defund it. Period.
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Re: Call That Humiliation?
I understand that the US media is in a frenzy over the Captured British sailors calling them "hostages," the article also referred to it in England but the point is they are being treated humanly, they are not hostages and the problem can be resolved. I understand that the British sent an special envoy over there to speak to them but I heard some analyses on WBAI before that said the Iranian government is making a big deal out of it to gain PR points with the Iranian public. They are doing...
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Re: Call That Humiliation?
I may be a lot of things, but a "warmonger" is not one of them. As far as the Iranians kidnapping British Sailors, that is indeed considered an act of war. Wars have been started for much less. Ever heard of Archduke Ferdinand? By the way, what else do you call someone who has been taken against their will besides hostage?
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Re: Are the Dead From the Minneapolis Bridge Collapse Victims of Conservative Ideology?
No, you are not entirely wrong. Gov. Pawlenty (R) and his interest in the almighty $ over the safety of people, has proven that budget cuts can kill. They could have paid for their "own **** bridge", they just made the wrong decision based on misplaced "conservativism" and ideological self gratification. There had been warnings given to the DOT by the Army Corps and others but it was just TOO expensive to replace the bridge. "Conservative" is just not what it used to be.
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Re: Win a thousand dollars cash
I am a lifelong democrat. I have know hundreds of democrats throughout my life and have had many family members who were democrat. I have NEVER met a Marxist or any democrat who was even close to being one. This type of stupid babbling idiocy is what is wrong with political discourse in this country. All this "if you are not with ME you are a pinko, commie, Marxist, terrorist supporter" crap is un-American and reduces your opponents to enemies of the state or worse. To call youself a...
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Re: A Travesty of Democracy!!
Hi to my TimesDaily Friends, Southern Patriot tells us, "Please tell me again what exactly Hillary has ever done herself? She was the governor's wife, not the governor. She was the first "lady," not the president. She sits in a senate seat that was bought and paid for in NY (you know NY state, that great bastion of conservative principle). So as I said before, tell me again what she has done and how exactly it qualifies her to be President of these great United States?" BILL'S RESPONSE: Why,...
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Re: What We Need Is A Revolution
Wow, I AGREE with you SP!!!! I am like bluesman, call 911, lol. You are SOOOOOOOOOO right in what you say.
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Re: Cuba: A Health System’s ‘Miracles’ Come With Hidden Costs
________________________________________________________________________________________________ Southern Patriot: 1.If you have insurance tht makes you wait "months" to see a specialist, you need to get a different plan. Most likely the issue is having to wait for longer periods because the patient has a non-emergent condition. 2.If "sick patients" are being discharged when they should still be in the hospital it is the DR's fault for not either A) going directly to the insurance company to...
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Re: Reagan and racism.
Pogo is giving you facts. It seems that the right wing is who don't want to listen to facts. Reagan did signify one thing in this country, the beginning of it's demise.
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Re: WHY WOULD ANYONE IN THEIR RIGHT MIND VOTE FOR A REPUBLICAN?
Your exactly right. So when April rolls around tell them you arent going to pay taxes. You dont need the services of the Police, School system, Post office, Highways, Libraries etc. Its your **** money, look after number one. Tell me how that works out for you.
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Re: Which of these 3 ?
Sure, the Kennedys are a bunch of libertines, but that does NOT change anything about the Bush bunch. George Herbert Walker Bush had a mistress, Jennifer Fitzgerald, who held numerous positions under him for 20 years or so. That information is well known, but Republicans like to turn a deaf ear to it. The fact that corruption is pervasive does not make it honorable for anyone of any party. Thank you for your apparent acknowledgment that the right wing has its share of slimeballs and lustbuckets.
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Re: Defense contractors raking in billions of Taxpayer Money
Its a shame that we wasted so much money on programs such as the patriot missles which provided no protection to our soldiers in Desert Storm. *end sarcasm* It almost appears that some of you think it would be cheaper to let our soldiers die than to spend money protecting them.
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Re: CNN uses fake photo of Palin
You people are killing me. When are we all going to come to the realization that we are now at the point in history where we are going to be very, very hard-pressed to find a candidate for ANY office who hasn't drank, smoke, snorted a drug, cheated on a spouse, had a child out of wedlock, been to a fraternity party, been jailed for some reason, had a DUI, etc. Why is it always so importatnt to worry about what these people do/have done in their spare time, rather than trying to figure out...
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Re: CNN uses fake photo of Palin
It's the Consistent bad choices that makes Obama unsuitable. Congrats on pretending to have a heart, yet slight Palin because of her daughters situation. How Christain of you!
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Re: CNN uses fake photo of Palin
WOW. How Christian of you to judge my own Chrisitanity, without even knowing me. I'm sure that's going to get you into heaven faster. I'd like to know what "Consistent" bad choices you belive that Obama has made. Other than the ones that you disagree with from a political (Republican) viewpoint.