Maybe my thoughts would be more appropriate elsewhere. Forgive me.
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quote:Originally posted by BillD:
OK, so may I ask what becomes the next step?
At this time which direction does the congregation want to go? I've heard the idea of being under THE ROCK's lead and covering has been almost completely rejected.
I ask these question because its clear that someone else is leading the congregation. The only way the Pastor can get that power back is to use his rank authority and wield swift power through acts like quickly firing off elders and positing/hiring leaders that will vow support.
Unless the Uhaul shows up soon, can the congregation handle being called to the carpet?
quote:Originally posted by BillD: I just find it interesting that senior leadership seems to vacation or leave town anytime an inconvenient church political situation occurs there.
quote:Originally posted by Right...:
In the last 50 years we have had 3 pastors(thats including the current pastor).
quote:Originally posted by Bill Gray:
Hi all,
Just out of curiosity -- why does this discussion have no title?
Bill
quote:Originally posted by ME:
Hi Bill Gray,
You ask a very good question. You see someone named "BillD" started this discussion to air a difficult circumstance that a local church is facing. Since the name of the pastor of that local church has the name Bill and last name starts with a D, it could be thought he recklessly put church business on this public forum. However, since I wouldn't think he would be that foolish, I must assume someone is trying to make us think it is him. Either way, it is a cowardly way to deal with the issues this church is dealing with. Shame on you BillD for trying to humiliate or cast a negative label on this local church.
quote:Originally posted by Right...:quote:Originally posted by Leb:
yeeehaaa!!! and tonight we get to do it all over again.
what exactly are you talking about?
quote:Originally posted by Right...:
Bill Gray, BillD was talking about a church issue which he clearly had no clue about and was exposed. Once he was exposed on his lack of knowledge on the issue, he wisely edited the topic. The original topic was a blatant lie and attack of our Sr leader. Hes just a fanboy for the current and/or old pastor and was just trying to stir the pot and attack the church.
quote:Originally posted by Right...:
You obviously dont know why the other pastor left... its not us, trust me. The problem is most members arent told whats going on behind closed doors. Its a shame. This is what happens when you keep the members in the dark, they dont know whats right and whats wrong. It looks like we are ganging up against our pastors, but theres more to the story.
quote:Originally posted by semiannualchick:
Is this discussion about the church on Avalon in Muscle Shoals?
quote:don't ya mean pastorsssssss? u'd b surprised what what folks know & how that differs from the spin from the mob. having the audacity 2 point a finger is just pride. either we r sad at chosing pastors or grow tired of our pastors bout 2 yrs. take ur choice it b us
quote:Originally posted by semiannualchick:
Is this discussion about the church on Avalon in Muscle Shoals?
quote:Originally posted by Leb:
wrong church
quote:Originally posted by Right...:
Every Pastor that left and/or will leave needed to leave. Now the Youth Pastor thing you have a point, but as for the Pastors... they left because of things they did, you cant blame the people for a mans actions.
quote:Originally posted by Leb:
annual chuch fight. look away children
quote:Originally posted by Right...:
The youth pastor brought in by the previous pastor, and was let go with the same said pastor, deserved to be let go because of his actions. As for other youth pastors, IDK..... but that one def needed to go.
As for the petition, there is one. Thats a fact.
quote:Originally posted by ME:
I just hope all the facts are presented to the congregation. A lot of people don't have a clue what the important issues against the pastor really are. We need to know in order to make a prayerful decision, otherwise, people make poor emotional decisions. Former pastor situation was kept in secret and handled very poorly. People took sides without knowing the facts. He was allowed to repent to the church and we were asked to forgive something we didn't know or understand. It dragged out for months with threats of legal action of which we didn't understand. Never knew 'from whom' or 'what about'. Hope members of church leadership don't do that to us again. If it can't be resolved behind closed doors with leadership, then get it in the light and tell the congregation all the accusations against him. Church...Do it right or don't do it at all.
quote:Bad leadership produces bad outcome.....it's why the church is voting on June 6 to decide if they are going to keep or oust B.D......show me where that is in the Bible!
quote:You can't tell me where 90% of what we call 'church' is at in the Bible. We are following a pattern of Judaism and Catholicism in our churches today and used the Epistles as our form, when they were designed to help the already existing Synagoges who were in error. Jesus never wasted His time with His followers, teaching them how to build a building and hire a preacher. He didn't tell them how to be subserviant to the Sanhedrin or the Pharisees. He didn't lay out a chain of command when his disciiples asked who would sit at his right hand, and Paul didn't say which one of the ministry gifts in Ephesians 4:11 were superior to the others. The church today is the picture of the Hebrews telling Moses 'to go up on the mountain and talk to God for us'. And again when they cried for a king, when God Himself would have lead them.
I thank God for the people in the body of Christ that are gifted leaders, but the system we have established today brings out the weakness of men/women. Very few can handle the attention and adoration of hundreds of fans. The danger of thinking SOME are 'called' of God makes me tremble. WE ARE ALL CALLED OF GOD ! If I elevate myself because of my 'calling' I am going against the teaching of the Lord. He washed feet. He had no place to lay His head. He was a shepherd not a cattle driver. He shook the legalism of the system, but here we are centuries later, more educated in His Word than any generation before us and we are still trying to manipulate and condem people to line up and follow a man and conform to the system. Wake up Church.
quote:Originally posted by semiannualchick:
Why would any church have to have a petition to get rid of a Pastor? Aren't they always voted in/out by the church?
quote:Originally posted by Right...:
No petition needed, hes already been asked to resign. He refused so now the church will vote on it.
quote:Originally posted by Right...:
Yes there is a petition out there and I fully support it. Anyone in the know would support it.
quote:Originally posted by CD:
As a member of this body for 3 decades our allegiances have to be only to one person and that is God. We are all human and have weaknesses, but to ignore that a man is setting himself in a position with no accountability to anyone and his paid staff refuses to look through any other lens than their paychecks makes a mockery of truth and all it means to be following in the steps of our Lord. I grieve over the fact that said leader can ignore budgetary constraints and cautions to take cruises with staff, preaches a tithe for weeks and then gives less than 5%, and angrily intimidates any who dare to bring these things to his attention. The issues the elders have addressed are not vindictive, but facts that could have legal ramifications. The men who are elders not perfect men, but they are respectful servants who have visited, encouraged and loved a body for many more years than the man who calls himself Pastor. They have earned our respect with their servant hearts. The Pastor has all but destroyed their reputations with his staff and others for his purposes. Who do you trust? The men who have faithfully served this body for many years often doing the work of Pastor without the pay or accolades or the man who wields his power? Our elders have failed in one thing and that is entrusting our body to someone so emotionally imbalanced. After having one leader so long that sacrificed his life by living in a basement for so many years to keep our body debt free and who was trustworthy in all his ways it is understandable they did not have the experiences to make the best decisions. I grieve that any man could so deceive and misuse people. The charges the elders have made are verifiable and just the financial transactions alone would not cause a skeptic to question integrity. He came saying he would never have access to the finances to prevent any dishonor to his position......now he has total access defying the accountability standards of a Christian organization. If you are in favor of this man then at least question what needs to be addressed. Beware though you suffer the rude awakening that he does not handle that well. No man is more called than any other believer.....we are all ministers of the gospel. He wants respect.....that has to be earned.
quote:mrsblueskies
New Kid on the Block
Posted 01 June 2010 10:07 AM Hide Post
I can't wait to be a part of a church!
Same ole, same ole. What a waste of human emotions, time, and energy. Follow God, love others and live simply. Save yourself headaches and ulcers. Changing "pastors" or buildings won't change the basic corrupt system.