******* Couple Allows 11 Year-Old Son to Undergo Sex Change

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By Susan Brinkmann, OCDS
Staff Journalist

The ******* parents of an 11 year-old boy are allowing him to undergo sex change therapy because they claim the child has always wanted to be a girl.


The Daily Mail is reporting that Pauline Moreno and Debra Lobel are allowing their son Thomas to undergo hormone blocking treatment in Berkeley, California which will prevent him from undergoing puberty as a boy. A hormone-suppressant, implanted in his upper left arm, will prevent him from developing broad shoulders, a deep voice and facial hair. Later therapy will enable him to grow ******* and other feminine characteristics.

Moreno and Lobel, who were “married” in a commitment ceremony in 1991 and have other adopted children, claim that one of the first things Thomas told them when he began communicating was, “I am a girl.” Apparently, the boy has a speech impediment and used sign language at the age of three to tell this to his ******* parents. By age seven, he was threatening genital mutilation on himself and psychiatrists diagnosed him with having gender identity disorder. By the age of eight, he started “transitioning” from boy to girl.

The couple admitted that their decision to allow Thomas to transition into “Tammy” caused intense criticism from family and friends, even though they insist it had nothing to do with their *******ism.

“Everybody was angry with us. ‘How could you be doing this? You might be ruining his whole life!’” Moreno told the Mail.

She went on to cite a statistic from the Youth Suicide Prevention Program which found that over 50 percent of transgender youth will attempt suicide at least once before their 20th birthday.

“The protocol now is to transition these children as soon as you can make a diagnosis, because otherwise they end up being not one thing or the other… because they experienced puberty,” Moreno said.

However, this is not the consensus of opinion in the medical community where the treatment of gender identity disorder (GID) or gender dysphoria, is far from established science. Many experts say children have better outcomes if parents try to steer them toward their biological gender rather than encourage a sex change. This is because studies have shown that as many as half of the children who originally thought they wanted to be the opposite sex changed their mind by the time they reached adulthood.

” . . . (T)he follow-up studies I’ve done, and others too, show [that] a substantial majority of kids seen for GID in childhood show desistance — that is, when they’re older they don’t want to be the other sex,” said Psychologist Ken Zucker, a gender identity specialist who works at the Center for Addiction and Mental Health in Toronto, Canada.

Speaking to NPR in 2008, Zucker said: “We just published a study of 25 girls we first saw in childhood and found that only 12 percent seem to have persistent gender dysphoria when they’re older. We find similar rates of persistence in boys.”

He describes therapists who support a child’s early transition to the opposite sex as “liberal essentialist.”

“On the surface, the approach comes across as very humanistic, liberal, accepting, tolerant of diversity. But I think the hidden assumption is that they believe the child’s cross-gender identity is entirely caused by biological factors. That’s why I call them essentialists. Liberals have always been critical of biological reductionism, but here they embrace it. I think that conceptual approach is astonishingly naive and simplistic, and I think it’s wrong.”

But Moreno and Lobel said their son experienced a radical change in his personality when the transitioning began and he was allowed to start dressing as a girl. Thomas went from being detached and “in his own world” to being a giggly and outgoing kid.

The couple says they live in an area of California where “lots of alternative lifestyles are in place” and they have plenty of support for what they’re doing. When they’re worshiping in their local synagogue, people come over to “Tammy” to tell him how pretty he looks.

Thomas’ parents say if he decides to change his mind about becoming a girl, he can always stop taking the drugs, which will enable him to undergo male puberty at a later stage. However, studies have shown that the drugs used in these procedures can cause fertility problems later in life.

In addition to these issues, author and pro-life attorney Wesley Smith is concerned about the ethics of experimenting on children in this way. ”It is my understanding that this approach has not been approved by the FDA [Food and Drug Administration].  To me, that means it is experimental, meaning that it hasn’t gone through the usual safety and research processes leading to FDA approval, meaning it should be considered unethical to experiment on human beings in this manner.”

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I wonder why they stressed l e s b i a n couple in the article? Usually they just say couple. How odd. Do they write white couple, or black couple or mixed couple? For instance, had this been a male and female couple would the title of your thread have been "straight couple allow 11 year old to undergo sex change"? 

Well, he was three when he first said he was a little girl. We have no idea if there was an anti-male tone in the house and no reason to believe there was/is. Also, he might have plenty of male influence around him. Because his parents are l e s b i a n s does not automatically mean no males in his life or a hatred for males from them. And explain this happening to other parents that are "straight". I absolutely would not start a sex change on a child that young, but the tone of the story seems, seems, seems, to be that they are only doing it because they are a g a y couple. You can get messed up kids from any walk of life.

Since his adoptive parents took him to psychiatrists as early as seven I would say they are caring for him quite well. If he was born with a speech impediment it could mean other problems with development as well as sexual. Apparently the doctors agree or he would not be getting treatment.

Chastity became Chaz, with two heterosexual parents, so why not?

Why is this post in religion? Poor kid. If all other options have been examined and the kid feels that strongly about it, go for it before puberty.

 

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I wonder too why it's posted in religion. Maybe hod can explain.

I never venture in miscellaneous ..... Not sure what category.  TD doesn't have a good science forum..... And so on.  I fell he is too you for hormones. That's a bad idea.  Dressing in a feminine way is something that he could grow out of.... But altering his body BEFORE puberty is wrong. You can't undue that.  Who knows FULLY or EXACTLY what they want at age 11 ??????
And I knew at age 11 that I loved chocolate and anything Hello Kitty. But, Semi I'm talking about the bigger picture.  How does an 11 year old look to their future as a certain gender without experiencing puberty.  He can't fully know what he altering.  The adults are very misguided to allow him hormone therapy.
Originally Posted by Bestworking:

I wonder why they stressed l e s b i a n couple in the article? Usually they just say couple. How odd. Do they write white couple, or black couple or mixed couple? For instance, had this been a male and female couple would the title of your thread have been "straight couple allow 11 year old to undergo sex change"? 

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Maybe Bill can answer your questions. He always stresses the fact that his wife is a Filipino.

 

Originally Posted by House of David:
And I knew at age 11 that I loved chocolate and anything Hello Kitty. But, Semi I'm talking about the bigger picture.  How does an 11 year old look to their future as a certain gender without experiencing puberty.  He can't fully know what he altering.  The adults are very misguided to allow him hormone therapy.

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I knew what you meant, I was making a joke.

That's why I added the smiley face

There's many, many misguided adults in this world, & not all of them are unbelievers.

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

I wonder why they stressed l e s b i a n couple in the article? Usually they just say couple. How odd. Do they write white couple, or black couple or mixed couple? For instance, had this been a male and female couple would the title of your thread have been "straight couple allow 11 year old to undergo sex change"? 

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They stressed the perverse sexual orientation of the couple because these women are decidedly not normal parents.  One has good reason to wonder whether this lad's decision to girlify himself was influenced by his exposure to this abnormal, unnatural parental arrangement.

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

OK!  I'm tired of reading about Two and a half Lizzies, moving on.

 

 

Who's forcing you to read about anyone or anything? I love that christian attitude. Just for you:

 

Family Sees Virgin Mary and Baby Jesus in a Tortilla

http://www.aolnews.com/2011/01...dgi=aolshare_twitter

 

  

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Thanks Best, I needed that.

They really should leave the 11 yr. old alone for at least 10yrs.
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Originally Posted by Contendah:
Originally Posted by Bestworking:

I wonder why they stressed l e s b i a n couple in the article? Usually they just say couple. How odd. Do they write white couple, or black couple or mixed couple? For instance, had this been a male and female couple would the title of your thread have been "straight couple allow 11 year old to undergo sex change"? 

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They stressed the perverse sexual orientation of the couple because these women are decidedly not normal parents.  One has good reason to wonder whether this lad's decision to girlify himself was influenced by his exposure to this abnormal, unnatural parental arrangement.

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And that is your own personal opinion and isn't based on any science or behavioral studies, not to mention psychiatric or sociological conclusions.

The title is totally misleading, this topic has nothing to do with religion, and there is nothing to do with  any sex change being done with this child.  It isn't as if the parents decided he would make a cute girl and got him some pills!  This is medically supervised and the psychologist agreed with it, and that article posted here has little resemblance to the one that simply stated facts without all the anti-g a y rhetoric and misinformation added. 

 

They are just allowing the child to take hormones, and the real article says that if they are withdrawn s/he would start puberty.  The slant in this version is just biased and disgusting.

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