The lies that started an illegal war on Youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66KCXqMGyCI&feature=related
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quote:Originally posted by skymaster:
Your post is a lie. It is not an illegal war. The war was voted on by congress. I'm sure anything on youtube is factual in your mind.
quote:Originally posted by Sassy Kims:
The video gives absolutely no proof of anything whatsoever. It's just a bunch of alleged retirees rattling off about their assumptions. Since not a single one of them gave the information to the President, they are in no position to comment on it's validity.
If this video or any other could prove that President Bush lied to go to war, we wouldn't be having this discussion. Bush would have been impeached and out of office already.
quote:Originally posted by PBA:quote:Originally posted by Sassy Kims:
The video gives absolutely no proof of anything whatsoever. It's just a bunch of alleged retirees rattling off about their assumptions. Since not a single one of them gave the information to the President, they are in no position to comment on it's validity.
If this video or any other could prove that President Bush lied to go to war, we wouldn't be having this discussion. Bush would have been impeached and out of office already.
Really? Bush said himself that they were no WMD's.
quote:Originally posted by Sassy Kims:quote:Originally posted by PBA:quote:Originally posted by Sassy Kims:
The video gives absolutely no proof of anything whatsoever. It's just a bunch of alleged retirees rattling off about their assumptions. Since not a single one of them gave the information to the President, they are in no position to comment on it's validity.
If this video or any other could prove that President Bush lied to go to war, we wouldn't be having this discussion. Bush would have been impeached and out of office already.
Really? Bush said himself that they were no WMD's.
So? In the same speech, Bush says that Iraq had the capability to build WMDs.
My statement stands...if you could prove he lied just to go to war, we wouldn't be having this discussion. Bush would have been impeached, convicted and out of office.
quote:Originally posted by PBA:quote:Originally posted by Sassy Kims:quote:Originally posted by PBA:quote:Originally posted by Sassy Kims:
The video gives absolutely no proof of anything whatsoever. It's just a bunch of alleged retirees rattling off about their assumptions. Since not a single one of them gave the information to the President, they are in no position to comment on it's validity.
If this video or any other could prove that President Bush lied to go to war, we wouldn't be having this discussion. Bush would have been impeached and out of office already.
Really? Bush said himself that they were no WMD's.
So? In the same speech, Bush says that Iraq had the capability to build WMDs.
My statement stands...if you could prove he lied just to go to war, we wouldn't be having this discussion. Bush would have been impeached, convicted and out of office.
Yep, As we speak, they are groups right now trying to get Bush impeached for the lies about the war.
quote:In the same speech, Bush says that Iraq had the capability to build WMDs.
quote:Originally posted by smurph:quote:In the same speech, Bush says that Iraq had the capability to build WMDs.
well now this is almost the most stupid remark i have yet to hear about the war. Capabilities? So now the US is going to police the world simply because countries have "capabilities"? This is going to be a tall order,the draft might just need to be reinstated ,,,and soon.
That war was begun just for exactly the reason that is happening right now. US invasion. Saddham would never have allowed our military to move in and westernize his country.He would never have allowed those big major US construction companies to come in there. He would never have allowed US influence and control over politicians in his country. He HAD to be put down, not just down,but DEAD,he knew too much trash on US politicians and deals,remember his past involvement with the US.
quote:Originally posted by smurph:
SOMNE really do need to refresh themselves to GWBs words
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/10/20021007-8.html
well the draft MUST be reinstated, if the US is going to police the world,cuz we sure as h.ell do not have enough military do it now,,,since we are invading countries based on WHAT-IFs,maybes and possibilities. DANG i wish somebody had told me WE are the worlds dictatorship.
quote:Originally posted by Sassy Kims:quote:Originally posted by smurph:
SOMNE really do need to refresh themselves to GWBs words
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/10/20021007-8.html
well the draft MUST be reinstated, if the US is going to police the world,cuz we sure as h.ell do not have enough military do it now,,,since we are invading countries based on WHAT-IFs,maybes and possibilities. DANG i wish somebody had told me WE are the worlds dictatorship.
Dictatorship? Nope, not hardly. Not in your dreams or worst nightmares. World's dictatorship? Not hardly. Both houses of Congress voted and approved attacking Iraq. Can't have a dictatorship unless the decision rested on one person and one person only. And that isn't the case.
Whatever it takes to keep WMDs out of the hands of dictators and terrorists works for me. As long as terrorists keep being prevented from attacking here on US soil, and killing US citizens.
In today's realm of terroristic attacks, you had better get used to needing to police the world, or get used to praying five times a day while kneeling on a rug and facing Mecca.
quote:Originally posted by Sassy Kims:quote:Originally posted by smurph:
SOMNE really do need to refresh themselves to GWBs words
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/10/20021007-8.html
well the draft MUST be reinstated, if the US is going to police the world,cuz we sure as h.ell do not have enough military do it now,,,since we are invading countries based on WHAT-IFs,maybes and possibilities. DANG i wish somebody had told me WE are the worlds dictatorship.
Dictatorship? Nope, not hardly. Not in your dreams or worst nightmares. World's dictatorship? Not hardly. Both houses of Congress voted and approved attacking Iraq. Can't have a dictatorship unless the decision rested on one person and one person only. And that isn't the case.
Whatever it takes to keep WMDs out of the hands of dictators and terrorists works for me. As long as terrorists keep being prevented from attacking here on US soil, and killing US citizens.
In today's realm of terroristic attacks, you had better get used to needing to police the world, or get used to praying five times a day while kneeling on a rug and facing Mecca.
quote:Originally posted by mrbradg:quote:Originally posted by Sassy Kims:quote:Originally posted by smurph:
SOMNE really do need to refresh themselves to GWBs words
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/10/20021007-8.html
well the draft MUST be reinstated, if the US is going to police the world,cuz we sure as h.ell do not have enough military do it now,,,since we are invading countries based on WHAT-IFs,maybes and possibilities. DANG i wish somebody had told me WE are the worlds dictatorship.
Dictatorship? Nope, not hardly. Not in your dreams or worst nightmares. World's dictatorship? Not hardly. Both houses of Congress voted and approved attacking Iraq. Can't have a dictatorship unless the decision rested on one person and one person only. And that isn't the case.
Whatever it takes to keep WMDs out of the hands of dictators and terrorists works for me. As long as terrorists keep being prevented from attacking here on US soil, and killing US citizens.
In today's realm of terroristic attacks, you had better get used to needing to police the world, or get used to praying five times a day while kneeling on a rug and facing Mecca.
"Whatever it takes to keep WMDs out of the hands of dictators and terrorists works for me. As long as terrorists keep being prevented from attacking here on US soil, and killing US citizens."
I laughed when I read this. Not a laughing matter but I still laughed. You have no real grasp of the cost of this war that was a lie. ALMOST 4,000 American lifes. Hundred of 1,000's of Iraqi lives. You scream "terrorists", and you have no idea what that really means. I can't even think there are people like you to think this war is worth it. It's so funny how we invaded Iraq, but we don't bother with the other 30 evil dictators in the world that kill 1,000's of there people every year. IT'S NOT OUR JOB TO POLICE THE WORLD. Our fathers have warned us of this.
I was in the Iraq war from the very beginning. I was not frightened to be there other than the "threat" of chemical weapons. That's some scary sh**. After WE, the US Military found out there were none there, we sat there in the sand and said to ourselves WTF. Why are we here. Let's leave right now. We get attacked EVERYDAY, I have lost friends for NO REASON!!! People like you are the reason I hate this government. You are brainwashed and you have no idea. Once you do your research and get out and talk to people your mind will change. We are still there because of cookie eaters like you that will no get off there butt and read and research. People like you make me sick. I think of my buddies that won't come home to there wife and kids every time I hear from sick people like you. Maybe you should do the same.
quote:Originally posted by PBA:quote:Originally posted by Sassy Kims:quote:Originally posted by smurph:
SOMNE really do need to refresh themselves to GWBs words
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/10/20021007-8.html
well the draft MUST be reinstated, if the US is going to police the world,cuz we sure as h.ell do not have enough military do it now,,,since we are invading countries based on WHAT-IFs,maybes and possibilities. DANG i wish somebody had told me WE are the worlds dictatorship.
Dictatorship? Nope, not hardly. Not in your dreams or worst nightmares. World's dictatorship? Not hardly. Both houses of Congress voted and approved attacking Iraq. Can't have a dictatorship unless the decision rested on one person and one person only. And that isn't the case.
Whatever it takes to keep WMDs out of the hands of dictators and terrorists works for me. As long as terrorists keep being prevented from attacking here on US soil, and killing US citizens.
In today's realm of terroristic attacks, you had better get used to needing to police the world, or get used to praying five times a day while kneeling on a rug and facing Mecca.
So, whatever it takes huh? I suggest you watch the movie "V", now showing on your local cable channels. Another suggestion, rent the movie "Wag The Dog", starring Dustin Hoffman. I can't believe you would actually give up your freedom for security. What is it about conservatives that they would be willing to give up their freedom to live under a police state, the new world order? Why is it conservatives support corporations controlling government? I just don't understand the conservatives point of view. Maybe you can break it down for me.
Obsession with National Security: Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.
Bush Aides ADMIT 'stoking fear' for political gain: Bush adviser said the president hopes to change the dynamics of the race. The strategy is aimed at stoking public fears about terrorism, raising new concerns about Kerry's ability to protect Americans and reinforcing Bush's image as the steady anti-terrorism candidate, aides said.
The Bush administration periodically put the USA on high alert for terrorist attacks even though then-Homeland Security chief Tom Ridge argued there was only flimsy evidence to justify raising the threat level.
GOP Ad These are the stakes
Keith Olbermann: "The Nexus of Politics and Terror."
Cheney warns that if Kerry is elected, the USA will suffer a "devastating attack"
GOP convention in a nutshell (quicktime)
Rove: GOP to Use Terror As Campaign Issue in 2006
http://www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm
quote:And if you think that a terrorist attack isn't a real threat, please let me refer you to 9/11/01.
quote:Liberal spin about the number of soldiers kiled doesn't make the war in Iraq any less important. Maybe you don't have a concept of what a terrorist is...I do. As far as the "other 30 evil dictators", Iran is a starting place, yet liberals howl in anguish over mere sanctions there. And I don't know what your father warned you of, because mine certainly told me to be sure to defend myself and my family, whatever it takes.
quote:Originally posted by smurph:quote:Liberal spin about the number of soldiers kiled doesn't make the war in Iraq any less important. Maybe you don't have a concept of what a terrorist is...I do. As far as the "other 30 evil dictators", Iran is a starting place, yet liberals howl in anguish over mere sanctions there. And I don't know what your father warned you of, because mine certainly told me to be sure to defend myself and my family, whatever it takes.
My point was proven by YOUR very words! read your above quote C-A-R-E-F-U-L-L-Y. Did I not make the say the US intends to ATTEMPT to police the world based on MAYBES,POSSIBLITIES,etc? SO now you we gonna "start" with Iran huh? Got 30 of em to bring into the fold yanno.
And please enlighten us on your expertise of what a terrorist is................
quote:Originally posted by smurph:
uh,,sorry but we ALL already KNOW those faces.Address the issues presented to you.
quote:Liberal spin about the number of soldiers kiled doesn't make the war in Iraq any less important. Maybe you don't have a concept of what a terrorist is...I do. As far as the "other 30 evil dictators", Iran is a starting place, yet liberals howl in anguish over mere sanctions there. And I don't know what your father warned you of, because mine certainly told me to be sure to defend myself and my family, whatever it takes.
quote:Originally posted by smurph:quote:Liberal spin about the number of soldiers kiled doesn't make the war in Iraq any less important. Maybe you don't have a concept of what a terrorist is...I do. As far as the "other 30 evil dictators", Iran is a starting place, yet liberals howl in anguish over mere sanctions there. And I don't know what your father warned you of, because mine certainly told me to be sure to defend myself and my family, whatever it takes.
no sassy ,the above is a nosensical rant.You claim to "know" what a terrorists is yet do not share your claimed expertise. You make light of my stating the US are trying to police the world,yet comeback with stating Iran is a "starting place" in reference to 30 evil dictators. Get your position on track .
quote:Since you seem to not possess the basic knowledge of what a terrorist is, here in my definition.
Terrorist: A person or group of persons who engages in activities designed to elicit terror for a political, religious or idealistic reason. Typically terrorist acts are directed towards unarmed non-combatants, and may consist of an initial attack, followed up by threats or innuendo of continued attack, or may consist of many attacks related by type of attack, or victims, or locations.
My position is and has always been to locate, attack and destroy terrorists before they have an opportunity to attack the US. If that takes us being "police" and keeping track of the entire world, so be it.
Posts: 1319 | Registered: 26 January 2007
quote:Originally posted by smurph:quote:Since you seem to not possess the basic knowledge of what a terrorist is, here in my definition.
Terrorist: A person or group of persons who engages in activities designed to elicit terror for a political, religious or idealistic reason. Typically terrorist acts are directed towards unarmed non-combatants, and may consist of an initial attack, followed up by threats or innuendo of continued attack, or may consist of many attacks related by type of attack, or victims, or locations.
My position is and has always been to locate, attack and destroy terrorists before they have an opportunity to attack the US. If that takes us being "police" and keeping track of the entire world, so be it.
Posts: 1319 | Registered: 26 January 2007
Now your PES is showing,,calm down,,it was you who made the snide remark to another poster that they had no concept of what a terrorist is and that you do,,so i was simply eager to have you share your expertise with all of us!
And as for your last paragraph ,,proves my earlier post, The US is trying to police the world,which does indeed make US the dictatorship! our way or the highway eh?
http://www.webster.com/dictionary/dictatorship
quote:Originally posted by smurph:quote:Since you seem to not possess the basic knowledge of what a terrorist is, here in my definition.
Terrorist: A person or group of persons who engages in activities designed to elicit terror for a political, religious or idealistic reason. Typically terrorist acts are directed towards unarmed non-combatants, and may consist of an initial attack, followed up by threats or innuendo of continued attack, or may consist of many attacks related by type of attack, or victims, or locations.
My position is and has always been to locate, attack and destroy terrorists before they have an opportunity to attack the US. If that takes us being "police" and keeping track of the entire world, so be it.
Posts: 1319 | Registered: 26 January 2007
Now your PES is showing,,calm down,,it was you who made the snide remark to another poster that they had no concept of what a terrorist is and that you do,,so i was simply eager to have you share your expertise with all of us!
And as for your last paragraph ,,proves my earlier post, The US is trying to police the world,which does indeed make US the dictatorship! our way or the highway eh?
http://www.webster.com/dictionary/dictatorship
quote:Originally posted by mrbradg:
"Whatever it takes to keep WMDs out of the hands of dictators and terrorists works for me. As long as terrorists keep being prevented from attacking here on US soil, and killing US citizens."
I laughed when I read this. Not a laughing matter but I still laughed. You have no real grasp of the cost of this war that was a lie. ALMOST 4,000 American lifes. Hundred of 1,000's of Iraqi lives. You scream "terrorists", and you have no idea what that really means. I can't even think there are people like you to think this war is worth it. It's so funny how we invaded Iraq, but we don't bother with the other 30 evil dictators in the world that kill 1,000's of there people every year. IT'S NOT OUR JOB TO POLICE THE WORLD. Our fathers have warned us of this.
I was in the Iraq war from the very beginning. I was not frightened to be there other than the "threat" of chemical weapons. That's some scary sh**. After WE, the US Military found out there were none there, we sat there in the sand and said to ourselves WTF. Why are we here. Let's leave right now. We get attacked EVERYDAY, I have lost friends for NO REASON!!! People like you are the reason I hate this government. You are brainwashed and you have no idea. Once you do your research and get out and talk to people your mind will change. We are still there because of cookie eaters like you that will no get off there butt and read and research. People like you make me sick. I think of my buddies that won't come home to there wife and kids every time I hear from sick people like you. Maybe you should do the same.
quote:Originally posted by mrbradg:quote:Originally posted by Sassy Kims:quote:Originally posted by smurph:
SOMNE really do need to refresh themselves to GWBs words
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/10/20021007-8.html
well the draft MUST be reinstated, if the US is going to police the world,cuz we sure as h.ell do not have enough military do it now,,,since we are invading countries based on WHAT-IFs,maybes and possibilities. DANG i wish somebody had told me WE are the worlds dictatorship.
Dictatorship? Nope, not hardly. Not in your dreams or worst nightmares. World's dictatorship? Not hardly. Both houses of Congress voted and approved attacking Iraq. Can't have a dictatorship unless the decision rested on one person and one person only. And that isn't the case.
Whatever it takes to keep WMDs out of the hands of dictators and terrorists works for me. As long as terrorists keep being prevented from attacking here on US soil, and killing US citizens.
In today's realm of terroristic attacks, you had better get used to needing to police the world, or get used to praying five times a day while kneeling on a rug and facing Mecca.
"Whatever it takes to keep WMDs out of the hands of dictators and terrorists works for me. As long as terrorists keep being prevented from attacking here on US soil, and killing US citizens."
I laughed when I read this. Not a laughing matter but I still laughed. You have no real grasp of the cost of this war that was a lie. ALMOST 4,000 American lifes. Hundred of 1,000's of Iraqi lives. You scream "terrorists", and you have no idea what that really means. I can't even think there are people like you to think this war is worth it. It's so funny how we invaded Iraq, but we don't bother with the other 30 evil dictators in the world that kill 1,000's of there people every year. IT'S NOT OUR JOB TO POLICE THE WORLD. Our fathers have warned us of this.
I was in the Iraq war from the very beginning. I was not frightened to be there other than the "threat" of chemical weapons. That's some scary sh**. After WE, the US Military found out there were none there, we sat there in the sand and said to ourselves WTF. Why are we here. Let's leave right now. We get attacked EVERYDAY, I have lost friends for NO REASON!!! People like you are the reason I hate this government. You are brainwashed and you have no idea. Once you do your research and get out and talk to people your mind will change. We are still there because of cookie eaters like you that will no get off there butt and read and research. People like you make me sick. I think of my buddies that won't come home to there wife and kids every time I hear from sick people like you. Maybe you should do the same.
quote:Originally posted by Sassy Kims:
Since you seem to not possess the basic knowledge of what a terrorist is, here in my definition.
Terrorist: A person or group of persons who engages in activities designed to elicit terror for a political, religious or idealistic reason. Typically terrorist acts are directed towards unarmed non-combatants, and may consist of an initial attack, followed up by threats or innuendo of continued attack, or may consist of many attacks related by type of attack, or victims, or locations.
My position is and has always been to locate, attack and destroy terrorists before they have an opportunity to attack the US. If that takes us being "police" and keeping track of the entire world, so be it.
quote:Originally posted by w_z:quote:Originally posted by Sassy Kims:
Since you seem to not possess the basic knowledge of what a terrorist is, here in my definition.
Terrorist: A person or group of persons who engages in activities designed to elicit terror for a political, religious or idealistic reason. Typically terrorist acts are directed towards unarmed non-combatants, and may consist of an initial attack, followed up by threats or innuendo of continued attack, or may consist of many attacks related by type of attack, or victims, or locations.
My position is and has always been to locate, attack and destroy terrorists before they have an opportunity to attack the US. If that takes us being "police" and keeping track of the entire world, so be it.
No offense Sassy, but it looks like the terrists have already beaten you. You might want to finish the definition. If we have to change one thing about our way of life, surrender just one freedom, or change one law, then that gives the terrorists a victory. Sadly, they've had many. And I'm sick and tired of it!
quote:Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
You need to change all the "WE"s in you rant to "I"s. I deal with thousands of Soldiers a year who would be completely embarrased by your comments. While your service is to be commended, it embarrases me that another member of the same Army I belong to would spew the crap you are spewing. By the way, you were there because your CiC told you to. If you can't or don't agree wtih that you need to get out of the military.
quote:Originally posted by w_z:quote:Originally posted by Sassy Kims:
Since you seem to not possess the basic knowledge of what a terrorist is, here in my definition.
Terrorist: A person or group of persons who engages in activities designed to elicit terror for a political, religious or idealistic reason. Typically terrorist acts are directed towards unarmed non-combatants, and may consist of an initial attack, followed up by threats or innuendo of continued attack, or may consist of many attacks related by type of attack, or victims, or locations.
My position is and has always been to locate, attack and destroy terrorists before they have an opportunity to attack the US. If that takes us being "police" and keeping track of the entire world, so be it.
No offense Sassy, but it looks like the terrists have already beaten you. You might want to finish the definition. If we have to change one thing about our way of life, surrender just one freedom, or change one law, then that gives the terrorists a victory. Sadly, they've had many. And I'm sick and tired of it!
quote:Originally posted by smurph:
[If this were a dictatorship, it would be a heck of a lot easier... ( Chuckles ) ( laughter ) ...just so long as I'm the dictator.] by GWB
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/politics/july-dec00/trans_12-18.htm
quote:Originally posted by w_z:quote:Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
You need to change all the "WE"s in you rant to "I"s. I deal with thousands of Soldiers a year who would be completely embarrased by your comments. While your service is to be commended, it embarrases me that another member of the same Army I belong to would spew the crap you are spewing. By the way, you were there because your CiC told you to. If you can't or don't agree wtih that you need to get out of the military.
WHAT? Are soldiers not people too? Are soldiers not allowed to think? I'm sure some might sign up to be killing machines. But I'm also sure that some, and hopefully most, sign up to honorably defend their country! All I can say is thank God we've got people like mrbradg in OUR military! I also know that there's many, many more that share his view.
quote:Originally posted by Southern Patriot:quote:Originally posted by w_z:quote:Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
You need to change all the "WE"s in you rant to "I"s. I deal with thousands of Soldiers a year who would be completely embarrased by your comments. While your service is to be commended, it embarrases me that another member of the same Army I belong to would spew the crap you are spewing. By the way, you were there because your CiC told you to. If you can't or don't agree wtih that you need to get out of the military.
WHAT? Are soldiers not people too? Are soldiers not allowed to think? I'm sure some might sign up to be killing machines. But I'm also sure that some, and hopefully most, sign up to honorably defend their country! All I can say is thank God we've got people like mrbradg in OUR military! I also know that there's many, many more that share his view.
I never said he wasn't entitled to his opinion. His comment turned into a group sentiment with his continued use of "WE". He also made some very nasty comments concerning this country (ie, I hate this gov't) that aren't congruent with military service. He swore to follow the orders of the commanders above him. If he has an issue with that then he needs to get out. I will also stand by my statement that the large majority of Soldiers WOULD NOT agree with him.
PS. Why is it that so many people think that the only reason we went ot Iraq was WMD's? That was only one of many reasons that we went there.