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About 6.6 million Americans owed money to the government because they went without health insurance for at least part of 2014, according to a report released this week by the Internal Revenue Service.

 

The IRS report, written by the Taxpayer Advocate Service, said the so-called "individual responsibility payments" averaged $190 per person.

 

Under the federal health care law, most Americans are required to buy insurance or pay a penalty. For 2014, the penalty was $95 or 1 percent of a household's income, whichever amount was greater. The penalty is assessed on a month-to-month basis.

 

Going without health insurance this year will cost $325 or 2 percent of household income, and will increase for 2016.

 

The report found that 300,000 Americans had overpaid the IRS a total of $35 million. It said that most of those individuals qualified for an exemption for having too low of incomes.

 

http://www.stltoday.com/busine...91-1a6e0ed0daf8.html

 

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Originally Posted by 1130:

it astounds me how many people don't understand lots of people can't afford insurance.

the lower pay working class is being buried and idiots  throw more dirt on them.

 

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Part of Obamacare is an expansion of Medicaid , but the idiot governors of several states hate Obama so much, they screwed their citizens out of healthcare insurance, and the states out of a lot of money , and now they are trying to figure out how to cope with their stupid mistakes,
Well, the same people who they have screwed , are the ones responsable for voting (R) , so Karma has a way of bitting them in the azz, but they still don't realize it.

 

Originally Posted by seeweed:
Originally Posted by 1130:

it astounds me how many people don't understand lots of people can't afford insurance.

the lower pay working class is being buried and idiots  throw more dirt on them.

 

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Part of Obamacare is an expansion of Medicaid , but the idiot governors of several states hate Obama so much, they screwed their citizens out of healthcare insurance, and the states out of a lot of money , and now they are trying to figure out how to cope with their stupid mistakes,
Well, the same people who they have screwed , are the ones responsable for voting (R) , so Karma has a way of bitting them in the azz, but they still don't realize it.

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Pretty much the same siren song one hears from the left globally.  The federal government will pay most of the bill for a time.  As the expense increases (it always does) the states will be required to make up the difference -- or, face the wraith of voters hooked on government largess the same as any junkie. 

 

Greek politicians, over all the spectrum, promised  early retirement and benefits will beyond the ability of their economy to support.  Now, the Greeks lurch from EU handout to handout, delaying the day the bill comes due. German taxpayers, retiring at 67 (soon to be 69) tire of supporting Greeks retiring at 59. 

 

Similarly, the states that took the bait will suffer the consequences.  And, progressives, like seeweed will insist someone, anyone, cover the bill. 

 

Originally Posted by direstraits:
Originally Posted by seeweed:
Originally Posted by 1130:

it astounds me how many people don't understand lots of people can't afford insurance.

the lower pay working class is being buried and idiots  throw more dirt on them.

 

============

Part of Obamacare is an expansion of Medicaid , but the idiot governors of several states hate Obama so much, they screwed their citizens out of healthcare insurance, and the states out of a lot of money , and now they are trying to figure out how to cope with their stupid mistakes,
Well, the same people who they have screwed , are the ones responsable for voting (R) , so Karma has a way of bitting them in the azz, but they still don't realize it.

 _____________________________________________________________

Pretty much the same siren song one hears from the left globally.  The federal government will pay most of the bill for a time.  As the expense increases (it always does) the states will be required to make up the difference -- or, face the wraith of voters hooked on government largess the same as any junkie. 

 

Greek politicians, over all the spectrum, promised  early retirement and benefits will beyond the ability of their economy to support.  Now, the Greeks lurch from EU handout to handout, delaying the day the bill comes due. German taxpayers, retiring at 67 (soon to be 69) tire of supporting Greeks retiring at 59. 

 

Similarly, the states that took the bait will suffer the consequences.  And, progressives, like seeweed will insist someone, anyone, cover the bill. 

 

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Do you not realize that the rest of us actually DO already pick up the tab for the uninsured that use the ER as their "free" clinic ?  

 

Originally Posted by seeweed:
Originally Posted by direstraits:
Originally Posted by seeweed:
Originally Posted by 1130:

it astounds me how many people don't understand lots of people can't afford insurance.

the lower pay working class is being buried and idiots  throw more dirt on them.

 

============

Part of Obamacare is an expansion of Medicaid , but the idiot governors of several states hate Obama so much, they screwed their citizens out of healthcare insurance, and the states out of a lot of money , and now they are trying to figure out how to cope with their stupid mistakes,
Well, the same people who they have screwed , are the ones responsable for voting (R) , so Karma has a way of bitting them in the azz, but they still don't realize it.

 _____________________________________________________________

Pretty much the same siren song one hears from the left globally.  The federal government will pay most of the bill for a time.  As the expense increases (it always does) the states will be required to make up the difference -- or, face the wraith of voters hooked on government largess the same as any junkie. 

 

Greek politicians, over all the spectrum, promised  early retirement and benefits will beyond the ability of their economy to support.  Now, the Greeks lurch from EU handout to handout, delaying the day the bill comes due. German taxpayers, retiring at 67 (soon to be 69) tire of supporting Greeks retiring at 59. 

 

Similarly, the states that took the bait will suffer the consequences.  And, progressives, like seeweed will insist someone, anyone, cover the bill. 

 

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Do you not realize that the rest of us actually DO already pick up the tab for the uninsured that use the ER as their "free" clinic ?  

 ________________________________________________________

As opposed to sending the funds to DC and back, less a carrying charge. In the US and UK, when government provides “free care” invariably, the users will treat the service as a “something to do.”  Use goes up, with little additional results.   

 

Originally Posted by seeweed:
Originally Posted by direstraits:
Originally Posted by seeweed:
Originally Posted by 1130:

it astounds me how many people don't understand lots of people can't afford insurance.

the lower pay working class is being buried and idiots  throw more dirt on them.

 

============

Part of Obamacare is an expansion of Medicaid , but the idiot governors of several states hate Obama so much, they screwed their citizens out of healthcare insurance, and the states out of a lot of money , and now they are trying to figure out how to cope with their stupid mistakes,
Well, the same people who they have screwed , are the ones responsable for voting (R) , so Karma has a way of bitting them in the azz, but they still don't realize it.

 _____________________________________________________________

Pretty much the same siren song one hears from the left globally.  The federal government will pay most of the bill for a time.  As the expense increases (it always does) the states will be required to make up the difference -- or, face the wraith of voters hooked on government largess the same as any junkie. 

 

Greek politicians, over all the spectrum, promised  early retirement and benefits will beyond the ability of their economy to support.  Now, the Greeks lurch from EU handout to handout, delaying the day the bill comes due. German taxpayers, retiring at 67 (soon to be 69) tire of supporting Greeks retiring at 59. 

 

Similarly, the states that took the bait will suffer the consequences.  And, progressives, like seeweed will insist someone, anyone, cover the bill. 

 

=============

Do you not realize that the rest of us actually DO already pick up the tab for the uninsured that use the ER as their "free" clinic ?  

 

Seeweed

Yes this is true but it is also true that Obamacare will cost way more and destroyed the quality and affordability of healthcare many had via their employer.

Originally Posted by direstraits:
Originally Posted by seeweed:
Originally Posted by direstraits:
Originally Posted by seeweed:
Originally Posted by 1130:

it astounds me how many people don't understand lots of people can't afford insurance.

the lower pay working class is being buried and idiots  throw more dirt on them.

 

============

Part of Obamacare is an expansion of Medicaid , but the idiot governors of several states hate Obama so much, they screwed their citizens out of healthcare insurance, and the states out of a lot of money , and now they are trying to figure out how to cope with their stupid mistakes,
Well, the same people who they have screwed , are the ones responsable for voting (R) , so Karma has a way of bitting them in the azz, but they still don't realize it.

 _____________________________________________________________

Pretty much the same siren song one hears from the left globally.  The federal government will pay most of the bill for a time.  As the expense increases (it always does) the states will be required to make up the difference -- or, face the wraith of voters hooked on government largess the same as any junkie. 

 

Greek politicians, over all the spectrum, promised  early retirement and benefits will beyond the ability of their economy to support.  Now, the Greeks lurch from EU handout to handout, delaying the day the bill comes due. German taxpayers, retiring at 67 (soon to be 69) tire of supporting Greeks retiring at 59. 

 

Similarly, the states that took the bait will suffer the consequences.  And, progressives, like seeweed will insist someone, anyone, cover the bill. 

 

=============

Do you not realize that the rest of us actually DO already pick up the tab for the uninsured that use the ER as their "free" clinic ?  

 ________________________________________________________

As opposed to sending the funds to DC and back, less a carrying charge. In the US and UK, when government provides “free care” invariably, the users will treat the service as a “something to do.”  Use goes up, with little additional results.   

 

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With the high deductibles and limited doctor pool, ER visits actually went up:

 

President Obama made a lot of promises in order to sell ObamaCare, and to protect the law from repeal, that have turned out to be false. He promised, “If you already have health insurance, the only thing that will change for you under this plan is the amount of money you will spend on premiums. That will be less.” That turned out to be false. He promised, “in 2014, discriminating against anyone with a pre-existing condition will be prohibited.” That too has proven false. He promised, “If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor. Period. If you like your health-care plan, you will be able to keep your health-care plan. Period. No one will take it away. No matter what.”  False, false, and false. I could go on.

 

We can now add another falsehood to the pile. A landmark study called the Oregon Health Insurance Experiment has found that contrary to the president’s assurances (see above), expanding health insurance to low-income households does not decrease their use of emergency rooms. Results from that experiment, published today in the journal Science, show expanding Medicaid to cover these households instead increases their emergency-room use by a sizable 40 percent.

 

This is a very big deal.

 

One of the ways the “Affordable Care Act” was supposed to make health care more affordable was by reducing unnecessary emergency-room use. As President Obama told it, the uninsured delay care until they are so sick that they end up in the emergency room. When they don’t pay their ER bills, hospitals shift the cost to the insured through higher prices that increase our health insurance premiums. ObamaCare would catch illnesses sooner and treat them in less expensive settings. The resulting savings would be passed along to all consumers through less cost-shifting.

 

http://www.forbes.com/sites/mi...dicaid-increases-it/

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