doings of the late Ronald Reagan, provider of missles to IRAN!
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quote:I knew that Regan was knee deep in the Iran-Congra scandal
quote:such as why would they pass a stimulus bill that allows employees to get bonuses for running their company in the ground!
quote:Originally posted by gracies old man:
So, Betern, this is what you've got. You haven't posted since Obama took over, and rather than take up for the socialist regime you help put in place, you try once again to berate dead presidents.
It's gutless and old news.
Why don't you defend your guy, Obama, and his government control of private industry, and all his broken campaign promises, and his miserable cabinet choices. Start w/ Geithner, and the Dem. lead Congress' unconstitutional moves and targeting individuals, and this administration deciding which CEO's need to go.
You were rabid for the 'chosen one' and we haven't had the "pleasure" of hearing from you for months, since he's started his reign of destruction.
quote:Originally posted by jan1356:
Ron, I am an Obama supporter an I knew that Regan was knee deep in the Iran-Congra scandal. But who was the fall guy, Oliver North. Even his secretary had to appear before congress! Both of them became media darling's. That's another thing, congress is always having people appear before them and nothing ever comes out of it! Congress needs to come before a committe of Americans on their actions, such as why would they pass a stimulus bill that allows employees to get bonuses for running their company in the ground!
quote:Originally posted by Howard Roark:
Interesting that you link a transcript supposed released 10 years ago on Iran-Contra. The source is a progressive website which contains no source for the transcript which is not verified as being part of any recorded transcripts.
Of course, there was never any evidence that revealed that Reagan was aware of Iran-Contra, in the first place.
What is evident is that there is no hate like the white-hot incandescent hatred of the left. Twenty-one years after Reagan's presidency and five years after the man's death, no stone will be unturned to vilify and excoriate the man.
One wonders at the damage such hatred must do to the psyche of one who must hold such hatred for so long.
In a way, it reminds me of the hatred one reads about the hatred that bigots held for those of another race.
quote:Originally posted by Howard Roark:
One wonders at the damage such hatred must do to the psyche of one who must hold such hatred for so long.
quote:Originally posted by beternU:
Does it not also remind you of the hostility that so many right wingers have toward Jimmy Carter? Plenty of times on this and other forums, I have encountered unrestrained and harsh attacks on that former President by conservatives.
quote:Originally posted by Henhouse Prowler:quote:Originally posted by beternU:
Does it not also remind you of the hostility that so many right wingers have toward Jimmy Carter? Plenty of times on this and other forums, I have encountered unrestrained and harsh attacks on that former President by conservatives.
One major difference, which I'm sure is of little distinction to a liberal:
Jimmy Carter was a laughable failure on international and domestic fronts, whose term in office is characterized by his own word - MALAISE.
Reagan is an American hero who destroyed the Soviet Union without ever firing a missile and oversaw tremendous prosperity and a vast correction of the Jimmy Carter "Peanutonomics" that nearly destroyed the American economy.
Another distinction: Reagan was beloved by Americans and feared by our enemies. Carter was terrorized by our enemies and driven out of office in a landslide of epic proportions.
Reagan was re-elected, Carter became a synonym for "pathetic, weak-kneed pacifist fraidy-cat whose in over his head".
quote:Originally posted by beternU:quote:Originally posted by jan1356:
Ron, I am an Obama supporter an I knew that Regan was knee deep in the Iran-Congra scandal. But who was the fall guy, Oliver North. Even his secretary had to appear before congress! Both of them became media darling's. That's another thing, congress is always having people appear before them and nothing ever comes out of it! Congress needs to come before a committe of Americans on their actions, such as why would they pass a stimulus bill that allows employees to get bonuses for running their company in the ground!
Ah, yes, Ollie North, the Congressionally-certified LIAR! Ollie escaped prosecution by virtue of the fact that he had already testified before Congress and divulged information that could not then be used against him in a court of law. He and Watergate burgler Gordon Liddy, another GOP pseudopatriot (who WAS convicted and did serve time), found later work as talk show hosts, pandering to an audience of rigid and radical rightists whose ethics and morals were so flimsy as to regard liars and criminals as national heroes. Pretty pitiful, don't you think?
quote:Originally posted by kperk:quote:Originally posted by beternU:quote:Originally posted by jan1356:
Ron, I am an Obama supporter an I knew that Regan was knee deep in the Iran-Congra scandal. But who was the fall guy, Oliver North. Even his secretary had to appear before congress! Both of them became media darling's. That's another thing, congress is always having people appear before them and nothing ever comes out of it! Congress needs to come before a committe of Americans on their actions, such as why would they pass a stimulus bill that allows employees to get bonuses for running their company in the ground!
Ah, yes, Ollie North, the Congressionally-certified LIAR! Ollie escaped prosecution by virtue of the fact that he had already testified before Congress and divulged information that could not then be used against him in a court of law. He and Watergate burgler Gordon Liddy, another GOP pseudopatriot (who WAS convicted and did serve time), found later work as talk show hosts, pandering to an audience of rigid and radical rightists whose ethics and morals were so flimsy as to regard liars and criminals as national heroes. Pretty pitiful, don't you think?
But you would have gleefully pleasured the master liar, bull clodton.
quote:Originally posted by beternU:quote:Originally posted by kperk:quote:Originally posted by beternU:quote:Originally posted by jan1356:
Ron, I am an Obama supporter an I knew that Regan was knee deep in the Iran-Congra scandal. But who was the fall guy, Oliver North. Even his secretary had to appear before congress! Both of them became media darling's. That's another thing, congress is always having people appear before them and nothing ever comes out of it! Congress needs to come before a committe of Americans on their actions, such as why would they pass a stimulus bill that allows employees to get bonuses for running their company in the ground!
Ah, yes, Ollie North, the Congressionally-certified LIAR! Ollie escaped prosecution by virtue of the fact that he had already testified before Congress and divulged information that could not then be used against him in a court of law. He and Watergate burgler Gordon Liddy, another GOP pseudopatriot (who WAS convicted and did serve time), found later work as talk show hosts, pandering to an audience of rigid and radical rightists whose ethics and morals were so flimsy as to regard liars and criminals as national heroes. Pretty pitiful, don't you think?
But you would have gleefully pleasured the master liar, bull clodton.
It was my impression that the subject matter of this thread was the Reagan-era Iran_Contra scandal. Ollie North was a part of that; thus it is legitimate to discuss his involvement. But where, in any of this, does Bill Clinton fit in? I will answer that myself. It is a common fallacy on the part of those who attempt to rationalize the misbehavour of their favorites (e.g. Reagan) to believe that such an effort is served by the diversionary measure of calling attention to the failures or foibles of some other public figure. Clearly, it is not! This failed strategem is kin to the childish practice of saying such meaningless things as "So's yer old man" or "A-r-r, yer mother wears army boots," when unable to iterate valid answers to issues in dispute. Pitiful!
quote:Originally posted by Henhouse Prowler:
Proving once again what's really at the heart of liberalism: hate, jealousy, class envy...
quote:Originally posted by luvurnabor:quote:Originally posted by Henhouse Prowler:
Proving once again what's really at the heart of liberalism: hate, jealousy, class envy...
So being a conservative, I suppose, could you now say something nice about Jimmy Carter? How about "he was sure right on that dependence on foreign oil thing!"
quote:Originally posted by beternU:
It is a common fallacy on the part of those who attempt to rationalize the misbehavour of their favorites (e.g. Reagan) to believe that such an effort is served by the diversionary measure of calling attention to the failures or foibles of some other public figure. Clearly, it is not! This failed strategem is kin to the childish practice of saying such meaningless things as "So's yer old man" or "A-r-r, yer mother wears army boots," when unable to iterate valid answers to issues in dispute. Pitiful!
quote:.......those who attempt to rationalize the misbehavour of their favorites.....
quote:Originally posted by gracies old man:
Well said, Merodeador de Gallinero