A Message to Windsong

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Originally posted by WINDSONG:
Thank you Gordon, It is nice to have another Mormon in here to talk with. Stay active, you know the church is true. Attend all your meetings and remember the Atonement of our older brother, Jesus Christ , is for you too!
We are taught to forgive all mankind their tresspasses against us, Remember , that means we are to forgive ourselves too!
Keep moving forward!
Your brother in Christ, Dwight

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Originally posted by beternU:

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Originally posted by WINDSONG:
Thank you Gordon, It is nice to have another Mormon in here to talk with. Stay active, you know the church is true. Attend all your meetings and remember the Atonement of our older brother, Jesus Christ , is for you too!
We are taught to forgive all mankind their tresspasses against us, Remember , that means we are to forgive ourselves too!
Keep moving forward!
Your brother in Christ, Dwight

Now tell us about that other fellow, Lucifer, who you and other Mormons blasphemously consider to be the brother of your older brother! Here is plenty of information that supports what I am saying here, ikncluding(SIC) verbatim quotations from MORMON sources!

http://mrm.org/lucifers-brother

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Originally posted by WINDSONG:
Thank you Gordon, It is nice to have another Mormon in here to talk with.

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:

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Originally posted by WINDSONG:
Thank you Gordon, It is nice to have another Mormon in here to talk with.

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Originally posted by vplee123:
WHo's Gordon?

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Originally posted by INVICTUS:

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:

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Originally posted by WINDSONG:
Thank you Gordon, It is nice to have another Mormon in here to talk with.

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YOU'RE A REAL PIECE OF CRAP.

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Originally posted by INVICTUS:

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:

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Originally posted by WINDSONG:
Thank you Gordon, It is nice to have another Mormon in here to talk with.

YOU'RE A REAL PIECE OF CRAP.

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Originally posted by skippy delepepper:

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Originally posted by beternU:

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Originally posted by WINDSONG:
Thank you Gordon, It is nice to have another Mormon in here to talk with. Stay active, you know the church is true. Attend all your meetings and remember the Atonement of our older brother, Jesus Christ , is for you too!
We are taught to forgive all mankind their tresspasses against us, Remember , that means we are to forgive ourselves too!
Keep moving forward!
Your brother in Christ, Dwight

Now tell us about that other fellow, Lucifer, who you and other Mormons blasphemously consider to be the brother of your older brother! Here is plenty of information that supports what I am saying here, including(SIC) verbatim quotations from MORMON sources!

http://mrm.org/lucifers-brother

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Hey Betrnun,
first of all, do I have to proof read your stuff for errors? Second: Although Jesus is the
spiritual brother of all of us, including Satan.
Our Lord Jesus Christ is the only begotten son of our Heavenly Father, meaning the only one
born in the flesh of he. As for the other things suggested in this Mormon hating site, that
is Blasphemy. I hold my Father in heaven sacred. Obviously you don't. He is your older brother
to. You better repent before death sneaks up on you and that opportunity is gone beyond your
grasp. Third: As with Bill I will have to label you as the coward you are. Do you not dare
bring up beleifs, less the light be shined upon your falsehoods. You my yellow freind are a
sniveling coward. I'm very proud to be in Christ's Church.
Where he is the head.

Keep Trying,
Skippy

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Originally posted by beternU:

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Originally posted by skippy delepepper:

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Originally posted by beternU:

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Originally posted by WINDSONG:
Thank you Gordon, It is nice to have another Mormon in here to talk with. Stay active, you know the church is true. Attend all your meetings and remember the Atonement of our older brother, Jesus Christ , is for you too!
We are taught to forgive all mankind their tresspasses against us, Remember , that means we are to forgive ourselves too!
Keep moving forward!
Your brother in Christ, Dwight

Now tell us about that other fellow, Lucifer, who you and other Mormons blasphemously consider to be the brother of your older brother! Here is plenty of information that supports what I am saying here, including(SIC)[COLOR:RED](I see you corrected your misspelled word. Good Job [/color] verbatim quotations from MORMON sources!

http://mrm.org/lucifers-brother

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Hey Betrnun,
first of all, do I have to proof read your stuff for errors? Second: Although Jesus is the
spiritual brother of all of us, including Satan.
Our Lord Jesus Christ is the only begotten son of our Heavenly Father, meaning the only one
born in the flesh of he. As for the other things suggested in this Mormon hating site, that
is Blasphemy. I hold my Father in heaven sacred. Obviously you don't. He is your older brother
to. You better repent before death sneaks up on you and that opportunity is gone beyond your
grasp. Third: As with Bill I will have to label you as the coward you are. Do you not dare
bring up beleifs, less the light be shined upon your falsehoods. You my yellow freind are a
sniveling coward. I'm very proud to be in Christ's Church.
Where he is the head.

Keep Trying,
Skippy

Pay attention, Skippy.

The link that I posted to you and that you so conveniently and summarily rejected as "blasphemy" has the following information directly from a major league Mormon source:

"Sex Among the Gods. Sex, which is indispensable on this earth for the perpetuation of the human race, is an eternal quality which has its equivalent everywhere. It is indestructible. The relationship between men and women is eternal and must continue eternally. In accordance with Gospel philosophy there are males and females in heaven. Since we have a Father, who is our God, we must also have a mother, who possesses the attributes of Godhood. This simply carries onward the logic of things earthly, and conforms with the doctrine that whatever is on this earth is simply a representation of spiritual conditions of deeper meaning than we can here fathom." (John A. Widtsoe, Rational Theology, 1915 1st ed., p.64)

"Eternity of Sex. It has already been said that sex is an eternal principle. The equivalent of sex, dimly understood by man, has always existed and will continue forever. Since sex, then, represents an eternal condition, the begetting of children is coincidentally an eternal necessity. We were begotten into the spirit world by God the Father, and have been born into the world which we now possess." (John A. Widtsoe, Rational Theology, 1915 1st ed., p.146)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_A._Widtsoe

Widtsoe was a member of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church) from 1921 until his death.

Reflecting on what Widtsoe, the Mormon "Apostle" says about the afterlife in heaven and all that alleged sexual activity by God and other inhabitants of heaven, I must agree with you that there is information in what I posted concerning blasphemy. The blasphemy is the gross mischaracterization of God by the arch-blasphemer, "Apostle" John A. Widtsoe! His characterization of all that marriage and sex in heaven and indeed the entire Mormon concept of "celestial marriage" (in which an earthly marriage supposedly will continue forever in Heaven) is a frontal contradiction of the teaching of Jesus Christ concerning the status (or NON-status) of marriage in the afterlife. Here is what JESUS says about THAT:

Matthew 22:

23The same day came to him the Sadducees, which say that there is no resurrection, and asked him,

24Saying, Master, Moses said, If a man die, having no children, his brother shall marry his wife, and raise up seed unto his brother.

25Now there were with us seven brethren: and the first, when he had married a wife, deceased, and, having no issue, left his wife unto his brother:

26Likewise the second also, and the third, unto the seventh.

27And last of all the woman died also.

28Therefore in the resurrection whose wife shall she be of the seven? for they all had her.

29Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.

30For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven."

This teaching of Jesus flatly shows that the Mormon cult's doctrine of "celestial marriage" is unscriptural and totally bogus.

Here is more astonishing MORMON BLASPHEMY, also posted in the link I provided and that you tried to shrug off. Below I am providing verbatim quotations from a recent Mormon "Prophet," the top dog in the Mormon hierarchy, Spencer Kimball. The link below provides some biographical information on this false prophet and quotes follow from his blasphemous teaching on the nature of God.

Here is the blasphemer's biography:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spencer_W._Kimball

And here is some of his blasphemy:

12th Mormon President Spencer W. Kimball:

"Long before you were born a program was developed by your creators ... The principal personalities in this great drama were a Father Elohim, perfect in wisdom, judgment, and person, and two sons, Lucifer and Jehovah." (The Teachings of Spencer W. Kimball, pp. 32-33).

“In the wilderness of Judaea, on the temple’s pinnacles and on the high mountain, a momentous contest took place between two brothers, Jehovah and Lucifer, sons of Elohim… Satan, also a son of God, had rebelled and had been cast out of heaven and not permitted an earthly body as had his brother Jehovah. Much depended upon the outcome of this spectacular duel” (The Teachings of Spencer W. Kimball, p.34).

So, says the BLASPHEMOUS Kimball, Jehovah had a brother named Lucifer. Good grief! Where DO these false prophets get this absurd stuff??!!

Yep, Skippy--I gotcha blasphemy right heah! It is just one of the many blasphemous things propagated by the Mormon cult, a fundamentally blasphemous organization to its core! You might think you can summarily and conveniently dismiss what I have posted from authoritative sources within your own cult as blasphemous on my part, but the truth of the matter is that it is your leaders, past and present, who have perpetrated some of the most egregious blasphemy ever concocted by the disordered and deluded minds of men. You, Skippy, your Mormon false prophets and the Mormon puppetmasters who have brainwashed you and so many others, like those scheming Sadducees, "...do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God."

You really need to vacate that unholy cult and disabuse yourself of all that wild, unholy perversion of the truth with which it is so deeply infested.

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Originally posted by skippy delepepper:
I'm just amazed at how a message I sent to Windsong, turned into a playground
for those who attack others.

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:

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Originally posted by skippy delepepper:
I'm just amazed at how a message I sent to Windsong, turned into a playground
for those who attack others.

SEE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU TALK/WRITE TO YOURSELF?

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Originally posted by beternU:
Skippy asserts, contrary to the teaching of his own cult, that:

[QUOTE]This book your reference points to, Rational Theology is not scripture. But it is true. It states as you said above that it was the equivelant to sex, not sex,meaning the power of creation. The Virgin Mary was reffered to this way because human sex was not nessesary for our Father's Creation.[QUOTE]

Say what you will, Skippy, but it is plain as day from Mormon sources, that Mormon theology teaches that God is a man and that Christ was conceived through a sexual act between Mary and God the Father. I have placed bold text at the most telling points.

President Joseph Fielding Smith, Jr., said:

"The birth of the Savior was a natural occurrence unattended with any degree of mysticism, and the Father God was the literal parent of Jesus in the flesh as well as in the spirit" (Religious Truths Defined, p. 44).

Mormon President President Joseph Fielding Smith declared:

"Christ was begotten of God. He was not born without the aid of Man, and that Man was God!" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, p. 18).

From “Apostle” Bruce R. McConkie:

"These name-titles all signify that our Lord is the only Son of the Father in the flesh. Each of the words is to be understood literally. Only means only; Begotten means begotten; and Son means son. Christ was begotten by an Immortal Father in the same way that mortal men are begotten by mortal fathers" (Mormon Doctrine, 1966, pp. 546-47).

And Christ was born into the world as the literal Son of this Holy Being; he was born in the same personal, real, and literal sense that any son is born to a mortal father. There is nothing figurative about his paternity; he was begotten, conceived and born in the normal and natural course of events, ... Christ is the Son of Man, meaning that his Father (the Eternal God!) is a Holy Man" (p. 742).

From Brigham Young:

"The man Joseph, the husband of Mary, did not, that we know of, have more than one wife, but Mary the wife of Joseph had another husband" (Deseret News, October 10, 1866).


More blasphemy from Young: "The birth of the Saviour was as natural as are the births of our children; it was the result of natural action. He partook of flesh and blood—was begotten of his Father, as we were of our fathers" (Journal of Discourses, vol. 8, p. 115).

So, Skippy, from the highest Mormon sources I have shown you that your cult teaches that God impregnated Mary in the same manner as impregnation is achieved by mortal men and women today. Nothing could be plainer than that, as I have shown clearly and without any doubt in the above citations from two Mormon presidents and one "Apostle." You will continue to look like a pluperfect moron if you try to deny this in the face of the incontrovertible evidence I have shown you.

All you have to do to examine my beliefs, Skippy, is to browse my many posts on this forum, where for years I have commented on all kinds of religious topics and doctrines that I believe in and support as well as many that I dispute, probably as much as or more than anyone else on this forum. But you are a latecomer, a "small talker" and perhaps you have not availed yourself of the opportunity to review past posts of mine. I commend my very open record to you and encourage you to use the search feature to examine my convictions and, if you wish, to challenge them, preferably with substance instead of with the kind of railing, quasi-literate, rambling, blithering diatribe you have barfed out above.

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Are you better than all of us like the name you chose implies?

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Originally posted by WINDSONG:
Skippy, Brother Beternu has a problem. It has to do with power over his own life, he has none. Calling him names doesnt bother him because he is use to it. He gets it at home from his wife, and his kids give him no respect, hense, the name he uses in here. His only way to feel like he is someone. He picks on spelling and grammar because he is good at that and that makes him feel powerful in his own little way. I have seen his behavior over and over in the military but each time, in a different soldier. They are powerless and exert power over others by belittlimg others or something they believe in. Cherokee is full of people like that. They have no internal peace and when they see someone with confidense and a testimony of truth, they do all they can to make them less than they are. Its such a ssad story because they never realise that they dont have to attack others and attempt to defeet them to better theimselves. They never realise there are other ways to gain self confidence and self esteem. These people usually has a domineering mother that taught them to cower down to women, and when you are raised like that you have no self respect and no respect for other men. But they fear women. So go easy on our Brother Beternu, his name says it all, He feels that everyone else is beter than him so his name is a sad attempt to give himself power. Your brother in Christ, Dwight