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pba, you once warned me to be prepared for a firestorm of criticism. Well, I am returning the favor, BEGINNING WITH MY OWN.

I happen to agree with the premise of this article: "The Liberty of Americans is threatened by the Neo Conservative movement." YOU should have said so in your introduction.

THIS ARTICLE CLEARLY AND POINTEDLY ENUMERATES THE VARIOUS AND VERY REAL THREATS AGAINST AMERICANS.

Bush is not the only villain. Professor Leo Strauss set the pattern and his acolytes are all over the Bush Administration, The earlier Bush Administration, and the Reagan Administration.

If you have not read at least a summary of Leo Strauss, you are not fully prepared to make the arguments necessary.
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Originally posted by EdEKit:
pba, you once warned me to be prepared for a firestorm of criticism. Well, I am returning the favor, BEGINNING WITH MY OWN.

I happen to agree with the premise of this article: "The Liberty of Americans is threatened by the Neo Conservative movement." YOU should have said so in your introduction.

THIS ARTICLE CLEARLY AND POINTEDLY ENUMERATES THE VARIOUS AND VERY REAL THREATS AGAINST AMERICANS.

Bush is not the only villain. Professor Leo Strauss set the pattern and his acolytes are all over the Bush Administration, The earlier Bush Administration, and the Reagan Administration.

If you have not read at least a summary of Leo Strauss, you are not fully prepared to make the arguments necessary.



I agree 100% with you,Yes,It goes back and they use GOD to con people.
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Originally posted by pba:
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Originally posted by EdEKit:
pba, you once warned me to be prepared for a firestorm of criticism. Well, I am returning the favor, BEGINNING WITH MY OWN.

I happen to agree with the premise of this article: "The Liberty of Americans is threatened by the Neo Conservative movement." YOU should have said so in your introduction.

THIS ARTICLE CLEARLY AND POINTEDLY ENUMERATES THE VARIOUS AND VERY REAL THREATS AGAINST AMERICANS.

Bush is not the only villain. Professor Leo Strauss set the pattern and his acolytes are all over the Bush Administration, The earlier Bush Administration, and the Reagan Administration.

If you have not read at least a summary of Leo Strauss, you are not fully prepared to make the arguments necessary.



I agree 100% with you,Yes,It goes back and they use GOD to con people.


For the sake of clarity and simplicity, I am going to write a parable here.

This story is fiction, written to demonstarte an arguement, and does not represent an actual event. It is a summary of many actual events, made into a single (I hope) coherent tale to show how the LEADER USES THE FOLLOWER.

One fine day, the Boy who cried wolf, his dog, and another boy were watching over their sheep.
The boy who cried wolf was not allowed to watch sheep alone anymore, no one really trusted him.

The boys had also been supplied with a dog, since there were so many sheep to watch.

The dog spotted a pack of wolves and set up an alarm. The boy working with the boy who cried wolf said, "Drive off the Wolves, I will go to the Village and get help."

The boy who cried wolf and the dog immediately set up an attack on the nearest wolf, 3 other wolves charged into the fray. The boy and his dog fought valliently while the sheep stood by and watched, and one of the attacking wolves was badly injured, Immediately the remaining four wolves joined the fight, and overwhelmed the dog and the boy. The sheep continued to watch as the villiagers charged up the hill to kill the wolves. THE WOLVES WERE ALL KILLED, THE SHEEP WERE ALL SAVED, THE BOY WHO CRIED WOLF WAS BURRIED BESIDE THE VALIENT DOG WITH FULL HOMORS, and the OTHER shepherd became the boss of two new boys who were daily sent out to watch the sheep.

The solemn ceremonies were attended by all the people, and three sheep were sacrificed, roasted and eaten by the Villiagers to appease the gods for the killing of the wolves.

The moral of this story is, the boy, the dog, the three sheep and the wolves were sacrificed so the Villiage would be able to eat sheep anytime they wanted to. The surviving wolves learned that they better move to a place there were no people guarding the sheep, The boy who ran for help got a promotion, the boy who stood and fought got a funeral, and they Villiage got rid of someone it did not trust and a pack of wolves.

DON'T BE A SOLDIER, BE A MESSENGER.
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Originally posted by EdEKit:
pba, you once warned me to be prepared for a firestorm of criticism. Well, I am returning the favor, BEGINNING WITH MY OWN.

I happen to agree with the premise of this article: "The Liberty of Americans is threatened by the Neo Conservative movement." YOU should have said so in your introduction.

THIS ARTICLE CLEARLY AND POINTEDLY ENUMERATES THE VARIOUS AND VERY REAL THREATS AGAINST AMERICANS.

Bush is not the only villain. Professor Leo Strauss set the pattern and his acolytes are all over the Bush Administration, The earlier Bush Administration, and the Reagan Administration.

If you have not read at least a summary of Leo Strauss, you are not fully prepared to make the arguments necessary.




This movement did not start with Bush, or his cabal, and they are not the only ones. It goes back to Reagan and even corporate democrats like Clinton.

I became familiar with Strauss a number of years ago and he is said to be sort of the "Founding Father" of this Conservative Movement. You can do a search on him and see.

Its the usual conservative line, as I remember, which I don't agree with. Funny thing is he impressed me so much that I can't remember one actual thing he said.

So I don't want to put words in his mouth.

It would be helpful to be aware of him, especially if you get into debates with conservatives, but as I say, I can't remember anything he said, except the same old same old, which has now proven to be a failure for working people and a boon to the wealthy and corporate elite's. Even long time hard core conservatives like Kevin Phillips and Paul Craig Roberts are distancing themselves from Bush and it's now clear there is a real fight going on among old time conservatives and the hard line Neocons.

Though I do believe in examining all opinions and ways of thinking I now spend most of my time reading Chomsky and other progressives, who have a proven track record of truth, accuracy and insight. I find it a more productive use of my time
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Originally posted by pba:
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Originally posted by EdEKit:
pba, you once warned me to be prepared for a firestorm of criticism. Well, I am returning the favor, BEGINNING WITH MY OWN.

I happen to agree with the premise of this article: "The Liberty of Americans is threatened by the Neo Conservative movement." YOU should have said so in your introduction.

THIS ARTICLE CLEARLY AND POINTEDLY ENUMERATES THE VARIOUS AND VERY REAL THREATS AGAINST AMERICANS.

Bush is not the only villain. Professor Leo Strauss set the pattern and his acolytes are all over the Bush Administration, The earlier Bush Administration, and the Reagan Administration.

If you have not read at least a summary of Leo Strauss, you are not fully prepared to make the arguments necessary.




This movement did not start with Bush, or his cabal, and they are not the only ones. It goes back to Reagan and even corporate democrats like Clinton.

I became familiar with Strauss a number of years ago and he is said to be sort of the "Founding Father" of this Conservative Movement. You can do a search on him and see.

Its the usual conservative line, as I remember, which I don't agree with. Funny thing is he impressed me so much that I can't remember one actual thing he said.

So I don't want to put words in his mouth.

It would be helpful to be aware of him, especially if you get into debates with conservatives, but as I say, I can't remember anything he said, except the same old same old, which has now proven to be a failure for working people and a boon to the wealthy and corporate elite's. Even long time hard core conservatives like Kevin Phillips and Paul Craig Roberts are distancing themselves from Bush and it's now clear there is a real fight going on among old time conservatives and the hard line Neocons.

Though I do believe in examining all opinions and ways of thinking I now spend most of my time reading Chomsky and other progressives, who have a proven track record of truth, accuracy and insight. I find it a more productive use of my time


pba, Forgive me if you have already seen and read this...IT IS ABOUT THE OIL. I am about a week behind on some of the sources I normally follow.
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=07/02/20/1523250

I know that you also follow Democracy Now, so there is a good chance you saw this before. I hope that you have signed up for Der Speigle and Le Monde Diplomatique. I actually hope everyone on the forum does. They are SUPER sources for information. The Times of London and BBC are also important. About twice a month I do a search for English Language material from Venezuela, Brazil, Argentina and Chile. The results are not always rewarding, and nothing seems to br consistant.

bookmark this site, anything you want to know from any newsagency in the world. http://www.mantra.com/newsplus/

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