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Hi to my Forum Friends,

In the Politics Forum, Skeptik posted "Bob Hill's Letter to the Editor." Most of his letter I agree with completely and laud Bob Hill for speaking out. However, there were several points he made where I will have to take him to task.

First, Bob stated, "The recent proliferation of racially motivated and bigoted remarks, comments and letters to the editor concerning President-elect Barack Obama threatens to tarnish the proud history of the Shoals for tolerance, love and respect between all races, creeds and beliefs. It seems these people had rather see America fail then see President-elect Obama succeed.

Although I was and am against virtually everything Obama stands for -- I, too, get upset when I hear racially motivated comments. I was born in Tuscumbia, grew up and lived in Sheffield until I joined the Air Force in 1955 -- and, although I was not a Christian at that time, looking back I have always been proud to say that I was never taught racial prejudice in my home. I saw signs of segregation all around me in the Shoals area of the 1940s/50s -- the rest rooms, drinking fountains, theater seating, waiting rooms, etc. -- but, I just thought the whole world was this way.

When the Air Force sent me to Denver for Radar Tech Training; I was so happy to see that the whole world did not have these symbols of segregation.

But, regarding Bob Hill's implication that "racially motivated and bigoted remarks" is a Shoals area, or Alabama, trait alone -- I have to correct him. I have lived in California for many years, have traveled the country, and to some extent, the world -- and, unfortunately, I have witnessed this type of racially motivated and bigoted remarks and attitude in many different places. It is sad that the world still has, and will always have, such intolerance and ignorance -- but, that is the way of the fallen world -- not just the Shoals area or Alabama.

Next, Bob Hill tells us, "The comment that Obama probably will not "put his hand on the Bible" when he is sworn in as president is the height of religious and racial prejudice. This is especially ludicrous as Barack Obama has repeatedly proclaimed himself a follower of Jesus Christ."

I must remind Bob, and all of us, that it is not what a person proclaims himself to be -- it is what his actions show him/her to be. After the Evangelical Conservative Christian votes won the presidential elections in 2000 and 2004 -- the Liberal Democrats worked very hard to reinvent themselves by attempting to add a wee bit of Christian luster to their peeling exterior. Yes, many of them began to paint themselves, not really as Conservatives -- but, they tippy toed into the center -- trying to pass themselves off as "moderates." Hillary and Obama are both shining examples of this type of deception.

If you take an out-house and paint it with expensive paint -- it is still an out-house.

Yes, Obama successfully fooled some Evangelical Christians who voted for him. They admired his oratorical skills and believed his empty rhetoric about what it means, to him, to be a Christian. I suppose that Obama could, possibly, qualify to be a Liberal Christian. For Liberal theology takes the position: "We see the Bible, not as the literal Word of God, but as a guideline for living. All those things written in the Bible were written by men and they could have been wrong. The Bible is made up of parables, metaphors, and allegories meant to guide us, but, not meant to be believed literally."

Wrong, my Liberal Friends. The Bible is God's full revelation to man. We read in 2 Timothy 3:16-17 that, "All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work."

So, yes, the Bible is intended to be THE guideline for man; the full guideline for righteous, Godly living. When we read the Bible, we must realize that the Bible is INSPIRED by God. God is the author of the Bible; employing men as His means; just as you and I use a pen or use the computer, He used men to write His Bible. God inspired these forty men and working through their individual personalities and skills; He wrote His full revelation to man, His full User's Manual for Godly living. And, no part of the Bible is irrelevant, no part of the Bible is to be ignored -- just because it becomes inconvenient or when it challenges your chosen lifestyles.

Obama calls himself a Christian. But, is this a convenient transformation to help him win an election -- or does he walk the Christian walk? With all who profess Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, as the Master of our lives -- it is not what we profess -- but how we walk.

If a person professes to be a Christian -- yet, walks completely in the world -- that person is not a Christian. If a person professes to be a Christian; and does his very best to walk with the Lord, to emulate Jesus Christ in his life -- I would say that person is a Christian. He is not perfect; he will have failures; he will sin -- but, he is right with the Lord and he is a Christian. He is a forgiven sinner.

So, let's do a litmus test for Obama: First, he is 100% FOR abortion. He is 100% FOR killing millions upon millions of babies -- so that the babies will not inconvenience his women supporters.

Obama speaks of "women's rights" -- but, how about the "babies' rights" -- especially the right to life?

Obama speaks of privacy. Abortion has nothing to do with privacy. It has to do with killing babies. It has to do with using abortion as the chosen form of birth control. Would Jesus vote 100% to kill babies so that adult couples would not be inconvenienced? No, He would not.

When Jesus said in Matthew 19:14, "Let the children alone, and do not hinder them from coming to Me; for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these" -- He was not saying let the children come to him prematurely, through abortion. No, He was telling us that, to Him, children are precious -- and, we as a nation, as a world, will have to answer to him for the BILLIONS of babies who have been killed by abortion -- and for the billions more who will die by abortion in a Liberal world encouraged by the Obamanation to increase abortion as a means of population control. No, Jesus would not be for killing billions of babies -- as a form of birth control or as a means of population control. Jesus would say, "Let the children alone."

When Obama supports all the gay activists' agendas; when he helps them gets special legislation passed to support that small 1.12% minority against the morals and desires of the 98.88% majority of Americans who do not want to see Same-Sex Marriage, Same-Sex Adoptions -- when Obama's Liberals make it illegal for Conservative Talk Shows to be broadcast -- when Obama's Liberals make it illegal for a pastor to teach specifically from the Bible -- then, all of America has lost; and lost big time.

No, my Friend Bob Hill, Obama may talk like a Christian -- but, he does not walk like a Christian.

And, then, Bob Hill tells us, "The TimesDaily editorialized against the attacks by Gov. Palin and against the recent increase in bigotry and intolerance. . ."

The TimesDaily newspaper may reside in the Shoals area -- but, its heartbeat comes from the New York Times. From the beginning, the TimesDaily has supported Obama -- and, at times, tried to suppress anyone who spoke against Obama or the Liberal agenda. I had posts deleted in the Forums when I said that Americans should vote our Christian values; that we should hold our political leaders' feet to the fire and let them know that we voted them in -- and that we can vote them out. I had posts deleted when I spoke out against Same-Sex Marriage for moral reasons.

The Times Daily came out, like a good New York Times puppet, fully endorsing Obama. And, then and now, the Times Daily/New York Times bashed Sarah Palin -- and, they continue to bash Sarah Palin because she already has a good start on the
2012 election.

By the time America has lived in Obamanation for four years -- everyone will be happy for a change, possibly dying for a change, literally. At least the babies aborted will be dying for the Obamanation. But, this time we mean a change FROM Obamanation Liberalism -- to Conservative Moralism. FROM Obamanation Liberal Moral Relativism to Conservative Christian Morals. Yes, Sarah Palin is our hope for 2012 -- and the TimesDaily and their big daddy, the New York Times know it. Possibly it will be a race between Hillary and Sarah -- a race between Liberal Immorality and Conservative Morality.

That last paragraph might sound harsh to some, especially the Liberals. But, think about it: is abortion, infanticide, moral or immoral? Is homosexual marriage moral or immoral? Hillary is for abortion; Hillary is for homosexual marriage -- therefore, it follows that Hillary is immoral. Sarah Palin is against abortion; Sarah Palin is against homosexual marriage -- therefore, it follows that Sarah Palin is moral. That is how I view these two strong leaders: one strongly against all we hold moral; the other strongly for all we hold moral. Decide for yourself which camp you want to follow. Personally, I stand in the Conservative Christian Morals camp -- and, I stand strongly against Moral Relativism.

Select your team well; for that is how Jesus will know if you are a Christian or a Christian looky-loo.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Yeah, Bill, and a lunatic will rant on and on in support of conservative politics and pepper them with Bible verses, but he is still a lunatic.

Are you in the correct forum? Should this piece of tripe not be in politics or news?

You lot lost -- big time. Your time has passed. A lot of people are tired of allowing your ilk to define what is "patriotic" and "true religion" for us.

I shall judge for myself the postiive and negative actions of the incoming administration, and need no help from anyone practicing priestcraft or punditry.
I would just like to say that it is an honor to meet the man without sin who can cast that proverbial "first stone".Mr. Gray, you seem to have a powerful tireless pitching arm. I personally will have to reserve all judgement of others for God. Even though he threatens to bring soldiers safely home, fix the broken economy, and attempt to fix what Bush and his administration so effortlessly broke, I admit I still voted for Obama. For the record I am both Christian and white.
There are many things that we agree on Bill, but I'm not sure this was an appropriate response. I agree that Obama is not the "change" America needed, but I only have to answer for my vote and no one else's. I prayed for months about the situation and when I cast my ballot -- I voted with my heart and mind for McCain, but the rest of America disagreed with me. While I think that Obama is a great speaker I don't think he will be the leader everyone is hoping for and I think the disappointment will come. Unfortunately it will come at a cost...but God has a purpose for everything that happens in our lives and he knows all. He knew Obama would be elected and he knows what is to come for all of us. It is His place to pass the judgement -- not ours. Mr. Hillwill have to answer for his letters and you will have to answer for your post here...I'm not sure that God would say "Great job on that Bill I couldn't have said it better myself." Consider that sometimes please...
Sayeth Brother Bill,
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So, yes, the Bible is intended to be THE guideline for man; the full guideline for righteous,


That's right, Bill. They key words were "guideline for MAN." Now now, Dixie. Bill and I are going to have to ask you to hush up. Since this forum is obviously Bill's church, then this rule appies:

I Corinthians 14:34-35 says “Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.”

So, respectfully, all you women are gonna have to just stay out of this thread until we men settle this.
After some of the men I've dealt with in my church, my job and my life overall -- I'd be scared of what solution you'd come up with... Big Grin Ya'll are the whole reason God created Eve -- to be the whisper in Adam's ear to get him to do great things!

I'm glad to hear that you prayed Eye-Gor --- we just came up with different feelings about the matter.
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The Bible says in the latter days
people will be calling good evil and evil good.


We have never needed latter days for this to be realized. Calling good evil and evil good are hallmark of a demagogue and his/her followers.

Witness the Puritans' and Separatists' "glorious" enforcement of heresy and witchcraft laws in Olde Newe Englande. Witness the creation of chattel slavery from Jamestown in 1619 onward in North America, of which my ancestors most certainly abetted while sitting on the Anglican vestries in NC and VA in the 17th and 18th centuries. People claimed these were "good," and "godly." They even used the Bible to justify their acts.

Prophecy is often cloaked in terms of the future or as a roman a clef in order to prevent overt persecution of those who might oppress the author for referring to present events openly. That is why 1984 was set 40 years in the future and Animal Farm used animals instead of people.
WOMEN WHO KNOW THEIR PLACE

A point of view .... Barbara Walters of Television's 20/20 did a story
on gender roles in Kabul, Afghanistan several years before the Afghan
conflict. She noted that women customarily walked five paces behind
their husbands.

She recently returned to Kabul and observed that women still walk
behind their husbands. From Miss Walters' vantage point, despite the
overthrow of the oppressive Taliban regime, the women now seem to walk
even further back behind their husbands, a nd are happy to maintain the
old custom.

Miss Walters approached one of the Afghani women and asked, 'Why do you
now seem happy with an old custom that you once tried so desperately
to
change?'

The woman looked Miss Walters straight in the eyes, and without
hesitation said,


'Land Mines.'

Moral of the story is ... (no matter where you go) ... BEHIND EVERY
MAN, THERE'S A SMARTER WOMAN!
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Liberal Immorality and Conservative Morality.

Bill, I believe liberal and conservative are economic terms regarding spending. You must have had a crappy Civics teacher.

Hi Eye,

Actually, the terms Conservative and Liberal can be applied to political (including economic), as well as religious and Christian points of view.

I am Conservative politically -- and I follow Conservative Christian theology.

One day, I will post a discussion talking about the difference.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Sayeth Brother Bill,
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So, yes, the Bible is intended to be THE guideline for man; the full guideline for righteous,

That's right, Bill. They key words were "guideline for MAN." Now now, Dixie. Bill and I are going to have to ask you to hush up. Since this forum is obviously Bill's church, then this rule appies:

I Corinthians 14:34-35 says “Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.”

So, respectfully, all you women are gonna have to just stay out of this thread until we men settle this.

Hi Skeptik,

Now, I know that all that time you sat in the Baptist church in Florence -- even if you did sleep through most of the teaching -- you had to have learned that, Biblically speaking, when the term "man" is used -- it is used generically to mean all mankind, i.e, man, woman, and children.

Of course, with your confused point of view, believing you came from a monkey, ape, or Fish -- you might have trouble with the generic "man."

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally posted by DixieChik:
There are many things that we agree on Bill, but I'm not sure this was an appropriate response. I agree that Obama is not the "change" America needed, but I only have to answer for my vote and no one else's. I prayed for months about the situation and when I cast my ballot -- I voted with my heart and mind for McCain, but the rest of America disagreed with me. While I think that Obama is a great speaker I don't think he will be the leader everyone is hoping for and I think the disappointment will come. Unfortunately it will come at a cost...but God has a purpose for everything that happens in our lives and he knows all. He knew Obama would be elected and he knows what is to come for all of us. It is His place to pass the judgement -- not ours. Mr. Hillwill have to answer for his letters and you will have to answer for your post here...I'm not sure that God would say "Great job on that Bill I couldn't have said it better myself." Consider that sometimes please...

Hi Dixie,

Please be a wee bit more specific. What part of my post do you consider not appropriate?

I do appreciate your thoughts.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill
Bill: The whole point of a letter to the editor is to post one's opinion. Just because you disagree with him doesn't mean he is going to hell. I disagree with basically your whole attitude toward him in your response. While I agree with your beliefs in many ways -- like with other things you have posted -- I just think you are out of line with your response to him. It's not like anything specific that you said was wrong or unbiblical or whatever you want to call it -- it's just my opinion...just like Mr. Hill -- we are entitled to our opinions...you just made your response more personal than I feel was appropriate.
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Originally posted by Skeptik:
Sayeth Brother Bill,
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So, yes, the Bible is intended to be THE guideline for man; the full guideline for righteous,

That's right, Bill. They key words were "guideline for MAN." Now now, Dixie. Bill and I are going to have to ask you to hush up. Since this forum is obviously Bill's church, then this rule appies:

I Corinthians 14:34-35 says “Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.”

So, respectfully, all you women are gonna have to just stay out of this thread until we men settle this.

Hi Skeptik,

Now, I know that all that time you sat in the Baptist church in Florence -- even if you did sleep through most of the teaching -- you had to have learned that, Biblically speaking, when the term "man" is used -- it is used generically to mean all mankind, i.e, man, woman, and children.

Of course, with your confused point of view, believing you came from a monkey, ape, or Fish -- you might have trouble with the generic "man."

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill


Skeptik was not disputing the use of the word "man". He/she was referring to the specific command for "women" to keep silence in the churches, and that it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

There are also references to women wearing veils in the Bible.

Obviously, most women 50 or younger no longer feel this is necessary.

I guess your Heaven will only consist of men, Bill.

Hey, isn't there a derogatory term for that? Smiler

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