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A Sad Day in America

B beternUOld Faithful
It is a truly sad thing today when an estimated one-half million people have gathered together on the 47th anniversary of Martin Luther King's" I Have a Dream" speech, at at the same location where that speech was delivered. It is indeed a sad day, and for the following reason. The organizer of this gathering is a man who has publicly proclaimed that the President of the United States is a "racist" with a "deep-seated hatred for white people."

Yes, those are the very words that Glenn Beck used, publicly, on his Fox News talk show, to describe our President, Barack Obama. Now we are treated by Beck and his associates to a purported plea for UNITY in this country.
That plea rings hollow when one considers the source of it--the "Beckster"--and his heinous and false allegations concerning President Obama's "deep-seated hatred for white people."

Does Beck wish for all Americans to unite with him and his accusations against the President?
Before Beck deserves any credibility for his ostensible plea for unity, he needs to publicly retract his witless and egregious insult of President Obama.
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K KissedGritsHall of Famer
Oh, stop whining. It was people of your ilk that accused Bush of being a racist because he couldn't prevent a hurricane from hitting New Orleans.

It's perfectlly acceptable for you "progressives" to hurl "RACIST" at anyone that does not agree with Obama because you only judge people by the color of their skin and not the content of their character.
JuanHuntJuanHuntHall of Famer
Beck is speaking to a specific fringe element of the Rep party. There is no down side to the Dems by continuing to let him bloviate. The moderates and independents cannot run far enough away from Beck, Palin, the TEA party, et al, thereby guaranteeing the fracturing of the Rep and Conservative vote, resulting in Dem victories. Beck and his ilk are in it for the money so Dem victories do not impact their success, and may even contribute to their bottom line.
B beternUOld Faithful
quote:
Originally posted by KissedGrits:
Oh, stop whining. It was people of your ilk that accused Bush of being a racist because he couldn't prevent a hurricane from hitting New Orleans.

It's perfectlly acceptable for you "progressives" to hurl "RACIST" at anyone that does not agree with Obama because you only judge people by the color of their skin and not the content of their character.


Piffle! I never accused Bush of anything like that and I don't know anyone who did.

When you assert that I or others "judge people by the color of their skin and not the content of their character," you are, in effect, declaring us to be racists. What is it with you Beckites? Is it somehow a part of your deranged creed that you must label anyone you disagree with as a racist?
seeweedseeweedOld Faithful
quote:
Originally posted by KissedGrits:
Oh, stop whining. It was people of your ilk that accused Bush of being a racist because he couldn't prevent a hurricane from hitting New Orleans.

It's perfectlly acceptable for you "progressives" to hurl "RACIST" at anyone that does not agree with Obama because you only judge people by the color of their skin and not the content of their character.


I think it was Robertson or Faldwell that stated it was "God's revenge".
It wasn't the hurricane itself that led people to the racist thoughts about Bush. It was his program to dismantle poor housing project, many that were not damaged, and replace them with "mixed income" housing, most of it too expensive for poor people to return to. His policy was aimed specifically to keep poor people (ie Black people) from returning.
B beternUOld Faithful
quote:
Originally posted by JuanHunt:
Beck is speaking to a specific fringe element of the Rep party. There is no down side to the Dems by continuing to let him bloviate. The moderates and independents cannot run far enough away from Beck, Palin, the TEA party, et al, thereby guaranteeing the fracturing of the Rep and Conservative vote, resulting in Dem victories. Beck and his ilk are in it for the money so Dem victories do not impact their success, and may even contribute to their bottom line.


You are correct. The Beck-Limbaugh-Hannity-Levin-Tea Party nutfringe radicals are cleaving the GOP into incompatible factions and they will lose elections if they continue with this self-destructive extremism.
AWillowBreezeAWillowBreezeSmall Talker
quote:
Originally posted by KissedGrits:
Oh, stop whining. It was people of your ilk that accused Bush of being a racist because he couldn't prevent a hurricane from hitting New Orleans.

It's perfectlly acceptable for you "progressives" to hurl "RACIST" at anyone that does not agree with Obama because you only judge people by the color of their skin and not the content of their character.


I think your confusing beternU with Kanye West..lol

In all seriousness though if you've not seen beternU use those words here on the forum, your assumption and accusations against him are just as wrong as the actions you appear to condemn.
K KissedGritsHall of Famer
quote:
Originally posted by beternU:
quote:
Originally posted by JuanHunt:
Beck is speaking to a specific fringe element of the Rep party. There is no down side to the Dems by continuing to let him bloviate. The moderates and independents cannot run far enough away from Beck, Palin, the TEA party, et al, thereby guaranteeing the fracturing of the Rep and Conservative vote, resulting in Dem victories. Beck and his ilk are in it for the money so Dem victories do not impact their success, and may even contribute to their bottom line.


You are correct. The Beck-Limbaugh-Hannity-Levin-Tea Party nutfringe radicals are cleaving the GOP into incompatible factions and they will lose elections if they continue with this self-destructive extremism.


Your concern for the Republican Party is so comforting. However, you may want to save it for the Democrats in November. They will need it.
b50mb50mOld Faithful


n one of his many references to King, Beck noted that he had spent the night before in the same Washington hotel where King had put the finishing touches on his "I Have a Dream" speech.

Clarence B. Jones, who served as King's personal attorney and his speechwriter, said he believes King would not be offended by Beck's rally but "pleased and honored" that a diverse group of people would come together, almost five decades later, to discuss the future of America.

Jones, now a visiting professor at Stanford University, said the Beck rally seemed to be tasteful and did not appear to distort King's message, which included a recommitment to religious values.

Both groups heard from members of the King family.

Alveda King, a niece of the civil rights leader, appealed to Beck rally participants to "focus not on elections or on political causes but on honor, on character ... not the color of our skin."

Martin Luther King III said at the site of the planned memorial that his father in 1967 and 1968 "was focused on economic empowerment. He did not live to see that come to fruition." King added, "We have made great strides, but somehow we've got to create a climate so that everybody can do well, not just some."

A GREAT DAY FOR AMERICA. Honoring families of soldiers. Betternu, you need a reality check.
K KissedGritsHall of Famer
quote:
Originally posted by AlabamaSon:
One small correction. It was nowhere near 500,000 people. Beck had a permit for 300,000. The current crowd estimate is somewhere around 87,000.


CBS (the channel of the disgraced Dan Rather) is the only source estimating the crowd at 87,000. NBC estimates 300,000 and crowd organizers estimate almost 500,000 according to the New York Times online.

Nice try.
elinterventor01elinterventor01Post Master
Only followed part of the ceremony, but I'm well familiar with the area. 300,000 is a good minimum. I'd guess from 300,000 to 500,000. The 9/12 rally had between 1 million to 1.1 million. (I have the USA Today graphic and photo of the rally archived). There appeared to be no violence and no signs of a violent nature.

Compare this with the left wing rallies with their Black Bloc smashing windows
and attacking the police. Or, SEIU beating up old black men! In the 1930s, it was black shirts! Now, its purple shirts. Progress, I think not!
AlabamaSonAlabamaSonHall of Famer
quote:
Originally posted by KissedGrits:
quote:
Originally posted by AlabamaSon:
One small correction. It was nowhere near 500,000 people. Beck had a permit for 300,000. The current crowd estimate is somewhere around 87,000.


CBS (the channel of the disgraced Dan Rather) is the only source estimating the crowd at 87,000. NBC estimates 300,000 and crowd organizers estimate almost 500,000 according to the New York Times online.

Nice try.


I guess Glenn will have to pay the fine for overrunning his permit. Actually there are numbers all over the place. It doesn't matter. It is simply an estimate of the number of followers. I am now reading he has positioned himself as the new leader of Christians. Makes me wonder about my church affiliation.
K KissedGritsHall of Famer
quote:
I am now reading he has positioned himself as the new leader of Christians. Makes me wonder about my church affiliation.


The only place you are reading that is the Daily Kos, a citadel of culture and refinement. Beck has said no such thing.

If anyone want to see hate and venom, just read yesterday's Daily Kos observations of the rally.

If a rally to raise money for wounded soldiers' families makes you question your church affiliation, perhaps you need a conference with your pastor or priest.
seeweedseeweedOld Faithful
quote:
Originally posted by KissedGrits:
quote:
His policy was aimed specifically to keep poor people (ie Black people) from returning.


So, as I commented before, you are accusing Bush of deliberate racism.



Correction please, I didn't accuse Bush of anything, just stated what happened down there.
Go down and check it out for yourself.
Bush's motives, I can only guess at- his policies we don't have to guess.
marksw59marksw59Post Master
quote:
Originally posted by beternU:
quote:
Originally posted by JuanHunt:
Beck is speaking to a specific fringe element of the Rep party. There is no down side to the Dems by continuing to let him bloviate. The moderates and independents cannot run far enough away from Beck, Palin, the TEA party, et al, thereby guaranteeing the fracturing of the Rep and Conservative vote, resulting in Dem victories. Beck and his ilk are in it for the money so Dem victories do not impact their success, and may even contribute to their bottom line.


You are correct. The Beck-Limbaugh-Hannity-Levin-Tea Party nutfringe radicals are cleaving the GOP into incompatible factions and they will lose elections if they continue with this self-destructive extremism.


Well then, I guess that enables beternobody and the rest of the leftist chaff here some near orgasmic glee. Heh, enjoy it whist you can useful idiots. Wink
marksw59marksw59Post Master
quote:
Originally posted by seeweed:
quote:
Originally posted by KissedGrits:
quote:
His policy was aimed specifically to keep poor people (ie Black people) from returning.


So, as I commented before, you are accusing Bush of deliberate racism.



Correction please, I didn't accuse Bush of anything, just stated what happened down there.
Go down and check it out for yourself.
Bush's motives, I can only guess at- his policies we don't have to guess.


Soooo... what other motive could there be? I don't even like Bush, but you and your ilk can not tolerate him in the least and YET, you still won't even state what you think. Typical.
B beternUOld Faithful
quote:
Originally posted by gracies old man:
BeternU

Watch it on CSPAN and you'll see it is not at all as you portrayed it. There was no hate. The hate is coming from the left.


Read my post again, and this time read it for what it says, not for what you are contriving it to say. I did not say that hate was propagated at that gathering. I simply pointed out that its leader and prime organizer, Glenn Beck, made a heinous and unproven accusation against the President of the United States. I said precisely this: "The organizer of this gathering is a man who has publicly proclaimed that the President of the United States is a 'racist' with a "deep-seated hatred for white people."

It is a matter of record that Beck said what I cited him as saying. He called the President a racist. He subsequently organized a rally that is suppoosed to help "restore honor" and unite Americans. Unite them in what? His fractured and libelous condemnation of the President?

Beck ststed a couple of days before his rally that he would develop a couple of points to mak in his speech there, but that he would not develop details beyond that, preferring to simply wait and let God guide him in what to say. The man is such an egotist that he now considers himself a prophet. What a quack! You should shun such a presumptuous poseur!
AlabamaSonAlabamaSonHall of Famer
quote:
Originally posted by KissedGrits:
quote:
I am now reading he has positioned himself as the new leader of Christians. Makes me wonder about my church affiliation.


The only place you are reading that is the Daily Kos, a citadel of culture and refinement. Beck has said no such thing.

If anyone want to see hate and venom, just read yesterday's Daily Kos observations of the rally.

If a rally to raise money for wounded soldiers' families makes you question your church affiliation, perhaps you need a conference with your pastor or priest.


I would post a single link, but how about a Google search . . .
Google Search
I have not heard of Daily Kos, but they must have a lot of influence.
seeweedseeweedOld Faithful
quote:
Originally posted by marksw59:
quote:
Originally posted by seeweed:
quote:
Originally posted by KissedGrits:
quote:
His policy was aimed specifically to keep poor people (ie Black people) from returning.


So, as I commented before, you are accusing Bush of deliberate racism.



Correction please, I didn't accuse Bush of anything, just stated what happened down there.
Go down and check it out for yourself.
Bush's motives, I can only guess at- his policies we don't have to guess.


Soooo... what other motive could there be? I don't even like Bush, but you and your ilk can not tolerate him in the least and YET, you still won't even state what you think. Typical.

Can't speak for others of my "ilk" but you must be new to the forums because I should not have to state what I think of Bush by this time.
That was a response that someone made saying "we - you know, people of my ilk" accused Bush of Katrina hitting NOLA,and I was just saying I "not speaking for my ilk" did not , only his response afterward.
D dolemitejbHall of Famer
teyates-

I, admittedly, know nothing about the details of the story you linked. If you have more info, I will take it into consideration. What you linked, however, not only fails to meet any standard of journalism, it also fails at proving your point. The author says:

quote:
You see, a majority on the committee bought the notion they had to appoint a black woman because voters chose Marshall -- who is a black woman.

It was not about qualifications. It was not about politics. It was all about race.


The author then goes on to lament how horrible it is to give someone a job based solely on their race. He does not, at any point, explain how he arrived at his conclusion. We are just supposed to accept it because he wrote it. He does not explain why the appointee isn't qualified. He doesn't suggest who should have been nominated. He makes no reference to any actual facts. The piece is nothing more the a long rant. If there's factual info that backs up his claim, fine, that should be evaluated, but one man's failed attempt at journalism doesn't prove anything.
teyatesteyatesOld Faithful
If you go back and do a little research into the situation, you will see there was a vacuum for the position because the person who won the original election was convicted of embezzlement (Or should say alleged, although she admitted it had happened).
Two other people were then up for that position. One was a white lady, whom had run against the original winner of the elction, and the second a black lady who did not run in the original election.
The white lady was recommended by her opponent (who was no longer able to fulfill the position), however the Democratic party decided that even though the black lady did not run in the runoff election, that she represented a btter candidate and would bring in more votes for the Democratic party.
It is a slap in the face and is DEFINTIE racism to anyone who actually read the original story and what went on down there.
The Alabama Black Caucus and the Democratic Party are two if the biggest racist orgainzations in this state, and for those who support them in any fashion, they are racist.

No going back to the original premise. BeterNu started out by defiling M. Beck and calling him a racist, leading to other allegations against him and the TEA party of which he is affiliated. Therefore, using their logic if Obama is affilliated with Alabama Democratic party, which he is, he is therefore racist, exactly like Mr. Beck stated.
As twisted as that logic may be, it is a reflection of the attitude given by a large number of blowhard liberals who on this very page browbeat those of us who are tired of big government and out of control spending.
D dolemitejbHall of Famer
teyates-

Respectfully, I don't really have the time or inclination to research this one particular issue. If you can link something that you feel really covers the facts behind the story, I will be happy to give it objective consideration.

By your own account, you say the following:

quote:
the Democratic party decided that even though the black lady did not run in the runoff election, that she represented a btter candidate and would bring in more votes for the Democratic party.


That's what politicians do. I don't care for it, but it's not inherently racist. Again, if there's more to it, please show us. Using political appointments to gain political capital, however, is not autmatically racist.

As for the original premise and any conclusions reached by BeternU, I do not claim or associate myself with BeternU's opinions.
B beternUOld Faithful
quote:
Originally posted by teyates:
If you go back and do a little research into the situation, you will see there was a vacuum for the position because the person who won the original election was convicted of embezzlement (Or should say alleged, although she admitted it had happened).
Two other people were then up for that position. One was a white lady, whom had run against the original winner of the elction, and the second a black lady who did not run in the original election.
The white lady was recommended by her opponent (who was no longer able to fulfill the position), however the Democratic party decided that even though the black lady did not run in the runoff election, that she represented a btter candidate and would bring in more votes for the Democratic party.
It is a slap in the face and is DEFINTIE racism to anyone who actually read the original story and what went on down there.
The Alabama Black Caucus and the Democratic Party are two if the biggest racist orgainzations in this state, and for those who support them in any fashion, they are racist.

No going back to the original premise. BeterNu started out by defiling M. Beck and calling him a racist, leading to other allegations against him and the TEA party of which he is affiliated. Therefore, using their logic if Obama is affilliated with Alabama Democratic party, which he is, he is therefore racist, exactly like Mr. Beck stated.
As twisted as that logic may be, it is a reflection of the attitude given by a large number of blowhard liberals who on this very page browbeat those of us who are tired of big government and out of control spending.


And just WHERE did I call Beck a "racist?" You simply can not find that in what I have posted. Go back to the 7th grade and take a refresher course in reading comprehension!
teyatesteyatesOld Faithful
quote:
Originally posted by dolemitejb:
teyates-

Respectfully, I don't really have the time or inclination to research this one particular issue. If you can link something that you feel really covers the facts behind the story, I will be happy to give it objective consideration.

By your own account, you say the following:

quote:
the Democratic party decided that even though the black lady did not run in the runoff election, that she represented a btter candidate and would bring in more votes for the Democratic party.


That's what politicians do. I don't care for it, but it's not inherently racist. Again, if there's more to it, please show us. Using political appointments to gain political capital, however, is not autmatically racist.

As for the original premise and any conclusions reached by BeternU, I do not claim or associate myself with BeternU's opinions.

I am not going back and provide all the references, this has been played out in the Birmingham News and on Al.com for the past two weeks. It was a racist act, there is no doubt about it. All the way from asking the white candidate to leave the room when the Black Caucus was deliberating (yet allowed the other candidate to stay), up to the comments made about how the blacks would not vote for the "white candidate".
The Alabama Democratic Party is as racist as KKK on their best day. Supporting them is nothing less than what BetterNu is so dead set against.
BTW, BetterNu, I said Obama was a racist, Beck is right. As long as the party he represents continues to act in this fashion they will isolate more and more voters.
The TEA party is not the enemy here, despite your hatred for them, which I suspect comes from your disdain of Palin. They want to see more fiscal responsibility and less flippant use of tax dollars. They are tired of spend and tax politics, by BOTH parties.
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ferrelljferrelljOld Faithful
quote:
Originally posted by beternU:
It is a truly sad thing today when an estimated one-half million people have gathered together on the 47th anniversary of Martin Luther King's" I Have a Dream" speech, at at the same location where that speech was delivered. It is indeed a sad day, and for the following reason. The organizer of this gathering is a man who has publicly proclaimed that the President of the United States is a "racist" with a "deep-seated hatred for white people."

Yes, those are the very words that Glenn Beck used, publicly, on his Fox News talk show, to describe our President, Barack Obama. Now we are treated by Beck and his associates to a purported plea for UNITY in this country.
That plea rings hollow when one considers the source of it--the "Beckster"--and his heinous and false allegations concerning President Obama's "deep-seated hatred for white people."

Does Beck wish for all Americans to unite with him and his accusations against the President?
Before Beck deserves any credibility for his ostensible plea for unity, he needs to publicly retract his witless and egregious insult of President Obama.


That is Becks opinion of your majesty Obama. There is ample evidence to back up his opinion. Is it true? I don't know so you have to form opinions on Obama's actions. Is Obama a Muslim? He WAS born a Muslim that much is not in dispute. When did he renounce Islam? How many times in office has he stood up for the rights of Muslims? How many times has he stood up for the rights of Christians? The Bible says you will be known for the fruits of your labor. I don't know what religion that Obama is. I DO know which religion he is going out of his way to support. You can form your own opinion.
ferrelljferrelljOld Faithful
quote:
Originally posted by JuanHunt:
Beck is speaking to a specific fringe element of the Rep party. There is no down side to the Dems by continuing to let him bloviate. The moderates and independents cannot run far enough away from Beck, Palin, the TEA party, et al, thereby guaranteeing the fracturing of the Rep and Conservative vote, resulting in Dem victories. Beck and his ilk are in it for the money so Dem victories do not impact their success, and may even contribute to their bottom line.


Let me know in November how that strategy works out for you. Wink
ferrelljferrelljOld Faithful
quote:
Originally posted by AlabamaSon:
One small correction. It was nowhere near 500,000 people. Beck had a permit for 300,000. The current crowd estimate is somewhere around 87,000.


MSNBC estimates don't count. According to well known estimates for the area in question the crowd was in fact around 500,000. With zero arrests by the way. How did that many hateful racists pull that off?
seeweedseeweedOld Faithful
quote:
Originally posted by ferrellj:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by beternU:
It is a truly sad thing today when an estimated one-half million people have gathered together on the 47th anniversary of Martin Luther King's" I Have a Dream" speech, at at the same location where that speech was delivered. It is indeed a sad day, and for the following reason. The organizer of this gathering is a man who has publicly proclaimed that the President of the United States is a "racist" with a "deep-seated hatred for white people."

Yes, those are the very words that Glenn Beck used, publicly, on his Fox News talk show, to describe our President, Barack Obama. Now we are treated by Beck and his associates to a purported plea for UNITY in this country.
That plea rings hollow when one considers the source of it--the "Beckster"--and his heinous and false allegations concerning President Obama's "deep-seated hatred for white people."

Does Beck wish for all Americans to unite with him and his accusations against the President?
Before Beck deserves any credibility for his ostensible plea for unity, he needs to publicly retract his witless and egregious insult of President Obama.


Is Obama a Muslim? He WAS born a Muslim that much is not in dispute.

WOW ! I knew Obama was smart , but to be born with the knowledge to recite the "Shahada" at birth ! Kinda leaves you in awe.
Makes me feel kinda stupid, hell, I couldn't even talk when I was born, had to learn a language, yet according to you , Obama could pronounce his faith "there is but One God and he is Allah and Muhammad is his prophet". He could do all that at birth ?? Again, I'm just blown away. Do you know if he said it in Arabic or did he use English ?
ferrelljferrelljOld Faithful
quote:
Originally posted by seeweed:
quote:
Originally posted by ferrellj:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by beternU:
It is a truly sad thing today when an estimated one-half million people have gathered together on the 47th anniversary of Martin Luther King's" I Have a Dream" speech, at at the same location where that speech was delivered. It is indeed a sad day, and for the following reason. The organizer of this gathering is a man who has publicly proclaimed that the President of the United States is a "racist" with a "deep-seated hatred for white people."

Yes, those are the very words that Glenn Beck used, publicly, on his Fox News talk show, to describe our President, Barack Obama. Now we are treated by Beck and his associates to a purported plea for UNITY in this country.
That plea rings hollow when one considers the source of it--the "Beckster"--and his heinous and false allegations concerning President Obama's "deep-seated hatred for white people."

Does Beck wish for all Americans to unite with him and his accusations against the President?
Before Beck deserves any credibility for his ostensible plea for unity, he needs to publicly retract his witless and egregious insult of President Obama.


Is Obama a Muslim? He WAS born a Muslim that much is not in dispute.

WOW ! I knew Obama was smart , but to be born with the knowledge to recite the "Shahada" at birth ! Kinda leaves you in awe.
Makes me feel kinda stupid, hell, I couldn't even talk when I was born, had to learn a language, yet according to you , Obama could pronounce his faith "there is but One God and he is Allah and Muhammad is his prophet". He could do all that at birth ?? Again, I'm just blown away. Do you know if he said it in Arabic or did he use English ?


It's easy to see you know nothing about the Muslim religion. Perhaps a little reading would do you good. According to Muslims if either of your parents is a Muslim you are born a Muslim. That's not my words but theirs. Do you still feel kinda stupid, you probably should.
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