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Trump accepts Kim's word about Otto Warmbier

No one is perfect and although I have supported Trump in other areas and decisions he has made I believe he made a huge mistake by making the, very public, statement that he accepts Kim's word about not having anything to do or knowing about Otto Warmbier's death or treatment.  While there is an outside small possibility that Kim didn't have any direct involvement with the actual events that caused his death there is no doubt if Kim had wanted Otto protected that he would still be alive today.  The torture that the kid had to endure no doubt was known to Kim and I doubt there is much of anything that Kim is not aware of as happening in his Country.  

True there are some things that he doesn't know and maybe the exact treatment of Otto Warmbier may have been one.  If so then Kim still is not innocent in this because he did not prevent the torture and treatment of this American citizen.  Kim may not have been involved in the direct torture but he is complicit in that he could have prevented it by making sure that he was not tortured.  I fully believe Trump was wrong in absolving Kim of any blame.  

IF Kim was truly sorry he could have made some kind of reparations to the Warmbiers although nothing would ever bring back their son and nothing was about to be done by the North Korean government to  pay for their actions with regards to this American citizen that was murdered at their hands and  under their treatment.  Trump has done a lot that I agree with and support him on but I cannot support him in this statement.  He may have had a motive in doing so and it may have been some kind of gamble for achieving some future results but I think it was a mistake to do.  Is it an impeachable mistake?  Only in some Democrat's and Liberals minds but a mistake I believe it was, and I believe one of his Administrations few failures.

There are some who believe Trump cannot do any wrong and there are far more that believe he cannot do anything right.  There are some that never give him any credit and even if he, single handedly, cured cancer they would criticize him for putting several doctors out of work.  The bias against Trump wasn't always there, though, but most became apparent when he chose to go down that escalator and declare as a candidate for President under the Republican name.  Before that Trump was never a racist and wasn't some horrible guy.  That's the way a lot of people are and look at things.  They see only what the Democratic Party tells them to see.  And yes there are Republicans who are the same way only they see what the Republican Party tells them to see.  

When it comes to politics, sadly, many (even politicians) would rather see the failure of the Country if it meant that it would be seen as a negative for those in the opposite party and a loss for the opposite party.  Their allegiance seems to be for party first then nation second.  That isn't the way it should be.  Republican or Democrat they should be for what's best for the county.  No better example is there than the border controversy in that years ago Democrats were for a Wall and for beefing the border up but just because Trump has it as a prime issue now they are totally against it.  Some things need to change but I have doubts that they ever will.

Be as the Bereans ( Acts 17:11 )

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Otto was an example of spoiled American youth.  I feel for his family, however going to a country like Korea and stealing is about as stupid as you can get.  Blame Trump for a statement, however I don't care. Trump is trying to get peace and maybe he feels it will just upset the situation.  All those that aren't in charge should let it go.  Media is trying to get talking points for 2020.  If they have the answers why don't they run for president?  oh yes, that's right they make millions stirring the pot.   

1130 posted:

Otto was an example of spoiled American youth.  I feel for his family, however going to a country like Korea and stealing is about as stupid as you can get.  Blame Trump for a statement, however I don't care. Trump is trying to get peace and maybe he feels it will just upset the situation.  All those that aren't in charge should let it go.  Media is trying to get talking points for 2020.  If they have the answers why don't they run for president?  oh yes, that's right they make millions stirring the pot.   

Absolutely correct. Warmbier was there on his own, and he alone is the reason he got into trouble, and yet we were supposed to bear the costs and political tensions of dealing with NK and getting him back? Trump got him home. I don't know what people want him to do or say about it, but at least he did get him released. There is nothing Trump could do or say that would satisfy the left and I don't see any reason he should try. Just like the big deal they made about the Muslim Brotherhood supporter that was killed and is none of our business, yet they use him to deflect attention from them and attack Trump. There were hundreds of journalists killed when Obama was president and nothing was said. They are making a big deal of this to deflect from the huge problems in their own party. Ilhan Omar, AOC, Rashida Tlaib, Fairfax, Northam, Booker, Carper, Finestein, the group that went into the church to campaign, the ones that attacked the teens at Covington, antifa, the Berkeley attack and other attacks on people on the right, to name a few things that need their attention...but they keep stirring up things that really don't matter to most people to keep the focus and pressure off of them.

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Jutu posted:
1130 posted:

Otto was an example of spoiled American youth.  I feel for his family, however going to a country like Korea and stealing is about as stupid as you can get.  Blame Trump for a statement, however I don't care. Trump is trying to get peace and maybe he feels it will just upset the situation.  All those that aren't in charge should let it go.  Media is trying to get talking points for 2020.  If they have the answers why don't they run for president?  oh yes, that's right they make millions stirring the pot.   

Absolutely correct. Warmbier was there on his own, and he alone is the reason he got into trouble, and yet we were supposed to bear the costs and political tensions of dealing with NK and getting him back? Trump got him home. I don't know what people want him to do or say about it, but at least he did get him released. There is nothing Trump could do or say that would satisfy the left and I don't see any reason he should try. Just like the big deal they made about the Muslim Brotherhood supporter that was killed and is none of our business, yet they use him to deflect attention from them and attack Trump. There were hundreds of journalists killed when Obama was president and nothing was said. They are making a big deal of this to deflect from the huge problems in their own party. Ilhan Omar, AOC, Rashida Tlaib, Fairfax, Northam, Booker, Carper, Finestein, the group that went into the church to campaign, the ones that attacked the teens at Covington, antifa, the Berkeley attack and other attacks on people on the right, to name a few things that need their attention...but they keep stirring up things that really don't matter to most people to keep the focus and pressure off of them.

I can't remember Obama calling the Media the 'Enemy of the People' or saying that white supremacists were 'good people'. Maybe that has something to do with it.

Jack Hammer posted:
I don't blame Trump for not calling Kim a liar, he's in the middle of
something no other President had the willingness to attempt.
 
Trump is the best leader of the free world since freedom began  

I have no doubt that there is a reason behind Trump's actions and a reason that I, nor many others, realize at this time.  Trump has also adjusted his dialog and requirements for North Korea, from before the first summit but he has also made more progress and stands to be the first President to actually achieve a peace treaty with them.  He first demanded all Nukes and that has now moderated into a phase down.  I don't have problems with any of that and his statement, about Kim's knowledge of Otto's plight, is much alike Trumps declaration that Mexico will pay for the wall.  I'm just saying I believe Trump shouldn't have highlighted Otto Warmbier's case in his after summit discussions. It did no good other than to bring more hurt to the family.  

I also agree that much of the fault has to lie with Otto Warmbier himself in that he should have known better than arrange for some pleasure trip to North Korea and then go on a souvenir hunt in a nation where security is always watching and monitoring any foreign visitors, especially from the US.  I still feel for his family and what happened but he shares some of the culpability in the events that played out.  I'm sure there is a reason Trump did what he did and said what he did or didn't but I just think it's one of those things, like the late Lewis Grizzard so aptly said at times, D*$# Brother I don't think I'd of said that.  Could just be my own ignorance about the situation though because I don't know if Trump volunteered the info or if he was responding to a question from the media, about it.  

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