Abortion in the Bible?

To the OP:

2Pe 2:1

  But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, and will bring swift destruction on themselves.

They (Christians) teach some incredibly perverse things now a days. They especially love justifying torture, killing and murder in all it's forms.

The real kicker is God is responsible, but yet we are still accountable for what we say and do. God created evil and Satan to serve a grand purpose most will never realize in this age.

Isa 45:7

  I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Isa 54:16

  Behold, I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that bringeth forth an instrument for his work;and I have created the waster to destroy.

I do not believe God "allows" anything, but I do believe He is the cause of everything! Therefor being responsible He HAS to save EVERYONE.

Rom 11:32

 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

Rom 11:33

O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!

99.9% of Christians (and most everyone else for that matter) are totally clueless as to God's plan to save all of humanity through the use of evil. And I don't think He would have it any other way.

The "light affliction" of this life are nothing compared to what God has in store for us all, and it's not for nothing we go through it. Most assuredly He will more than make up for it.

2Co 4:17

For our momentary light affliction is producing for us an absolutely incomparable eternal weight of glory.

2Co 4:18

 So we do not focus on what is seen, but on what is unseen; for what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal.

I truly believe everything is gonna be ok. God is good and just. This will be made apparent later on.

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No, He doesn't have to save everyone & He doesn't. The Bible you quote says there will be more in Hell than in Heaven. Those in Hell He ain't saving!

Everything won't be ok, at least not for the people in which their azz is on fire.

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Lol semi I somehow doubt you really believe that seeing how you do not even believe God exists.

But yeah, seems this is what most Christians teachers teach as I hear it quite a lot despite the fact such phrasing cannot be found anywhere in the bible. Although I can see how some Scriptures can be misinterpreted that way.

If you can show me where it says "there will be more in Hell than in Heaven" in the bible I will convert to Christianity and endlessly try to warn people about it. Because that is the Christian thing to do and it's their responsibility not God's. My challenge to you is of course assuming the Christian definition of "hell" is correct, which is another subject.

To them God (Who is supposedly all powerful and all knowing) is a total failure at saving people so He has to push off the responsibility by giving us a God thwarting, God defying power called "free will". So how is that working out for humanity? Not too well it seems seeing how according to Christian teachers most of humanity will end up burning for ever and ever in an pagan hell hole torture chamber.

Is it fair for someone who aborts a fetus (as awful as it is) to burn in literal fire for all eternity? Of course not! Again God is good and just. He will ensure the judgment will fit the crime. All of us will be judged fairly for the horrible things we've done, and be the better for it afterwards because judgment as painful as it will be teaches us how to be righteous.

Isa 26:9

  With my soul have I desired thee in the night; yea, with my spirit within me will I seek thee early: for (because) when thy judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness.

Rev_15:4

  Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name? for thou only art holy: for (because) all nations shall come and worship before thee; for (because) thy judgments are made manifest.

 Eternal judgment in literal burning fire does nothing and has no redeeming value.

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At one time, when I was in Church & believed in God, I believed it but not anymore. I don't want to have any part of a man that made a pit of fire for the people that doesn't obey him. No one made that hole but God Himself. Yes, He made it for Satan but if He didn't want other person in it, all He had to do was cover it up & never speak of it again. Instead, He threatens people with it.

You mention converting to Christianity, I thought you were a Christian? If you don't want to talk on the forum about something so private, PM me if you don't mind explaining it to me.

As far as the Christian definition of "hell", I'm going by what the Bible says about Hell. You can't get anymore clear of it than what it says. Of course, if I ask 100 people the meaning of one scripture, I would get 100 different interpretations of it so you probably won't agree with how I see it.

There's several scriptures that mention more people being in Hell so I'm throwing out a couple of many.

Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few” (Matthew 7:13–14).

Saying that few will find the narrow gate means that only a few will get to Heaven. There’s people that preach a gospel of inclusiveness & tell that “all ways lead to heaven” but that’s not the gospel Jesus preached. There’s a gate of self-centeredness, self-absorption, & a proud, holier-than-thou attitude & that’s the wide gate of the world that leads to Hell. The narrow way is the hard way, which is the demanding way. It’s the way of self-denial and the cross.

When Jesus said no one would stumble into the kingdom or wander through the narrow gate by accident, He was asked, "will those who are saved be few?” to which He said, “Strive to enter through the narrow door. For many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able” (Luke 13:23–24).

If they can’t enter thru that narrow gate, there’s only one other way to go. There’s a lot of people that will try to enter that narrow door, which is the door of salvation, but “will not be able”. I didn't say that, Jesus did. 

Don’t get me wrong, I don’t believe any of this. I’m just telling you what the Bible says. A lot of people may not see it the way I used to see it but that’s ok.

If the Bible were real & not just a story book, that "literal burning fire" means just that.

I really do not like any form of organized religion. Each and every one of them have some sort of "d-a-m-n-able heresy" they teach that contradicts what Jesus taught through the Scriptures, through prophets and through the apostles and of course what He said while on earth as a man.

I guess if you had to give what I believe a name, call me a plain old follower of Christ. I do not want to be identified as anything else. Not that I do a good job of it, as it is one of the hardest things I've ever attempted, but I try.

You said:

There's several scriptures that mention more people being in Hell so I'm throwing out a couple of many.

Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few” (Matthew 7:13–14).

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That is prolly the most common misinterpretation I hear when referring to that verse. It is automatically assumed that "destruction" means to burn in hell for ever. Besides it's not even translated very well so that doesn't help much.

I want to share a little excerpt with you found @ http://www.bible-truths.com/23-minutes-in-hell.html from a paper titled: 'Hell is a Christian Hoax!' Tell me what you think.

On page 118 Bill makes a statement that I am    sure he would like to take back after reading my critique. Here is that    statement: "God is the one who appoints or assigns those who reject Jesus    as their Lord and Savior to their rightful position in hell."

Okay, so who are all these people whom God    "appoints or assigns...to their rightful position in hell?" What group    of people predominantly fills the fire pits of this Christian hell? Well we    are told that Jesus Himself warns that most of humanity will end up in hell:

      

"Enter ye in at the strait gate: for      wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leads to destruction, and      many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and      narrow is the way, which leads unto life, and few there be that find      it" (Matt 7:13-14).

The King James Version of Matt. 7:13-14 is    not completely accurate according to the New Testament Greek Manuscripts.    The phrase "many there be which go in    thereat" should read: "many    are those entering through it."

And the phrase "and    few there be that find it," should read: "and    few are finding it."

So what's the difference, you ask? The    difference is that the words in the King James translated "go    in thereat" and "that find    it" are in the Greek aorist (indefinite--past, present, and    future) tense, and therefore need to be translated "entering     through it," and "are finding    it." This Greek tense of the verb shows that this is the present    condition of the majority of humanity, not humanity's ultimate eternal    destiny.

Yes NOW, in this present Church age, only the     "FEW chosen" are going God's way that leads to "life."     But it is the "MANY called" that are presently    following the path that leads to destruction. It is those who are    "perished, lost, and destroyed," that Jesus came to save. Nowhere    in Scripture are those that are presently lost, perished, or destroyed,    beyond the reach of God's righteous judgments and saving grace.

The phrase, "broad is the way that leads    to destruction," is falsely interpreted by the Church to mean, "broad    is the way that leads to eternity in hell." Well It says no such    thing and it means no such thing.

Honestly, does anyone see the words    "eternal destruction," or "eternal hell," or "lost    for ever," or "never-ending torture," or "eternal life    in fire" in Jesus' statement? I think not.

That there is an ocean of difference between  "temporary destruction" for a grand purpose, and "eternal    torture" in some pagan hell for absolutely no redeeming purpose, never  seems to enter the minds of Christian theologians.

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Did you get the part where he said it was in the Greek aorist tense? Meaning this is an actual condition of humanity at this very moment, but not our final destiny. Having read that then going back in my bibles and dictionaries finding other Scriptures that say the same thing I totally agree.

Of course never ever take anyone's word for it. It behooves us to "Study to shew thyself approved unto God" (2Ti 2:15) to really find out what words mean in the bible. We really shouldn't rely on what others tell us, or even our own wisdom. Which is why it's important to ask God to show us what something means and help us understand what we are studying.

If you were to do a study on the word "destruction" found in the bible as to how it's used and what it really means you might be surprised. You really cant just assume it means what Christianity wants it to mean.

Then again all of the above is a moot point seeing how you do not believe God exist right? Never the less I get your point. And it's a good one. Words like that really need to be studied and understood or you end up being one of those accused of teaching "d-a-m-n-able heresies". There's really nothing more d-a-m-n-able than teaching most of humanity will be tortured by literal fire for all eternity.

By the way, is it possible to be "eternally destroyed"? How is that even possible? Think about it.

I really do not like any form of organized religion. Each and every one of them have some sort of "d-a-m-n-able heresy" they teach that contradicts what Jesus taught through the Scriptures, through prophets and through the apostles and of course what He said while on earth as a man.

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This isn't an attempt to argue the point, but I see Jesus as an organized

religion in himself.