Abortion, It's a choice it's not murder

I agree that abortion is murder. In 1980 my girlfriend and I considered abortion but we couldn't justify it to be right in our minds. Now skip to 2010, my son is now 29 years old with two kids of his own. There is no way you can look at him and my grandkids and convince me it wouldn't have been murder. Hopefully my son and his wife will have more children and God willing my grandkids will have children. Just think of the ripple effect one abortion has on future generations.

I am in my 147th trimester

It's my understanding that men still aren't equipped with wombs, so until you are you have no right to make decisions about - or judge my decisions about - mine!

Face it: Roe v Wade will never be overturned, and even if it is abortions will still happen, just as they did prior to the 1973 ruling. Get over it.

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Originally posted by Buttercup:
It's my understanding that men still aren't equipped with wombs, so until you are you have no right to make decisions about - or judge my decisions about - mine!

Face it: Roe v Wade will never be overturned, and even if it is abortions will still happen, just as they did prior to the 1973 ruling. Get over it.

Men may not have a womb, but they are still a father as much as a woman is a mother. She shouldn't have the right to murder his unborn baby w/o his consent.
Roe v Wade may not ever be overturned but murder is still murder.

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Originally posted by Buttercup:
It's my understanding that men still aren't equipped with wombs, so until you are you have no right to make decisions about - or judge my decisions about - mine!

Face it: Roe v Wade will never be overturned, and even if it is abortions will still happen, just as they did prior to the 1973 ruling. Get over it.

Yep, all kinds of murder happen every day and it's not going to stop.

Abortion is State sponsored MURDER no less. how could anyone live with themselves knowing they MURDERED their own child.. low life, scum, bottom feeder, that's all they are!!! if your responsible enough to do the deed, be responsible enough to accept the responsibility, your parents did!!!

The ole girl can't have the baby without a mans input...no pun intended.

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Originally posted by Buttercup:
It's my understanding that men still aren't equipped with wombs, so until you are you have no right to make decisions about - or judge my decisions about - mine!

Face it: Roe v Wade will never be overturned, and even if it is abortions will still happen, just as they did prior to the 1973 ruling. Get over it.

Anyone, male or female has the free will and right to make the decision whether or not to murder someone each day. Most humans don't consider such but still they can kill another human if they desire but most don't because they know it's wrong, morally and legally and they wouldn't want to face the judge and suffer the punishment. Women do, account of Roe vs. Wade have the right to legally commit murder but it's murder never the less only it's murder of the most innocent least defensive humans years in the future that fact will continue to haunt most women as they seek to learn to live with those decisions and forgive themselves.

One more thing. Roe vs Wade is against the Constitution none the less whether overturned, in the future, or not. A reading of the Constitution and the powers it gives to the Executive, Legislative, and Judicial branches never included such a ruling to make law. Failure of the Legislative branch to exercise it's checks and balance was their mistake for the Judicial branch is never to make law but that's just what they did with that ruling and that also will never make it right.

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my understanding that men still aren't equipped with wombs, so until you are you have no right to make decisions about - or judge my decisions about - mine!

I disagree here. All men can know that abortion is evil, and is murder, just as a woman can. You don't need a womb to know that murdering an innocent baby is inherently wrong.......

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Originally posted by Buttercup:
It's my understanding that men still aren't equipped with wombs, so until you are you have no right to make decisions about - or judge my decisions about - mine!

I've never known of a woman that had a problem judging a man for his decisions about what he does with his...well....you know.

Buttercup should apply the same 'logic' she uses in that statement to 'spanking'....

So you all want to FORCE a woman to carry a child to full-term?

How would you go about doing that? How would you guarantee that she takes care of herself and the fetus the whole time she's pregnant? Make sure she doesn't drink, smoke, do drugs or use other methods to abort the baby on her own?

Would you put her in a cage and take turns watching her?

My position on this is one of common sense. Abortion happened before 1973, so the evidence is clear that you won't stop a woman from terminating an unwanted pregnancy with laws.

We need to work together on both sides and stop ALL unwanted pregnancies. That is the solution.

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Originally posted by Buttercup:
So you all want to FORCE a woman to carry a child to full-term?

How would you go about doing that? How would you guarantee that she takes care of herself and the fetus the whole time she's pregnant? Make sure she doesn't drink, smoke, do drugs or use other methods to abort the baby on her own?

Would you put her in a cage and take turns watching her?

My position on this is one of common sense. Abortion happened before 1973, so the evidence is clear that you won't stop a woman from terminating an unwanted pregnancy with laws.

We need to work together on both sides and stop ALL unwanted pregnancies. That is the solution.

Your position is not common sense, it's murder.
If there is a God, maybe He will explain it to you on judgement day.
If a woman doesn't want to carry a baby, she needs birth control or keep her pants on.

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How would you go about doing that? How would you guarantee that she takes care of herself and the fetus the whole time she's pregnant? Make sure she doesn't drink, smoke, do drugs or use other methods to abort the baby on her own?

If the individual has received proper guidance and discipline as a child, this should be a no-brainer.

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Originally posted by dogsoldier0513:

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How would you go about doing that? How would you guarantee that she takes care of herself and the fetus the whole time she's pregnant? Make sure she doesn't drink, smoke, do drugs or use other methods to abort the baby on her own?

If the individual has received proper guidance and discipline as a child, this should be a no-brainer.

Haha, dogsoldier, very funny. But unwanted pregnancies still happen don't they?

Besides, I'm sure the individual was spanked as a child.

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Originally posted by dogsoldier0513:
Buttercup should apply the same 'logic' she uses in that statement to 'spanking'....

Amen! Preach it, Brother!

Abortion is a choice. Whether you go out and blow someone's head off with a gun or take a baby's life in the womb, it's all the same. Once a child is conceived it is a living human being, and if you take it's life, it's MURDER !

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Originally posted by Buttercup:
It's my understanding that men still aren't equipped with wombs, so until you are you have no right to make decisions about - or judge my decisions about - mine!

Face it: Roe v Wade will never be overturned, and even if it is abortions will still happen, just as they did prior to the 1973 ruling. Get over it.

You're avoiding the question. At what point after conception do you consider a fetus a living being? I'm not talking politics or religion but scientifically. Just for the sake of debate I would like to hear your answer.

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Originally posted by Buttercup:
It's my understanding that men still aren't equipped with wombs, so until you are you have no right to make decisions about - or judge my decisions about - mine!

Face it: Roe v Wade will never be overturned, and even if it is abortions will still happen, just as they did prior to the 1973 ruling. Get over it.

Regardless of what the Supreme Court says, how can you justify aborting a life if it's not due to incest, rape, or an extremely rare circumstance?

People who think it's a choice to have a baby or not should be fixed after their first abortion.

I have two questions. Should a criminal investigation take place when a woman loses a pregnancy? Should women have to register with the state as being pregnant, and then provide proof to the state that the baby was born?

No, I don't think that is practical.
However, if Roe V Wade is overturned, make abortion ILLEGAL and prosecute physicians who perform it.
You will have women who will still seek illegal abortions. But then it will be the criminal matter that it should be.

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No, I don't think that is practical.
However, if Roe V Wade is overturned, make abortion ILLEGAL and prosecute physicians who perform it.

Why only prosecute the physician? Why shouldn't there be criminal investigations of all women who don't see a pregnancy to completion? I agree it's not practical, but we're theoretically talking about murder here. Practicality doesn't matter.

Well the Physicians are the ones "PERFORMING" the procedure. I guess yeah, the woman should be prosecuted too for attempted murder. But the buck has to stop with the physician that actually 'kills' the baby, in my opinion.
If it could just be illegal, this would all be a moot point. Therefore making all doctors that perform and women that seek abortions criminal.

Sometimes Abortion is the most merciful thing to do.Google: Baby Briana Lopez

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Besides, I'm sure the individual was spanked as a child.

Prove it.

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Originally posted by Fighting Illini:
Regardless of what the Supreme Court says, how can you justify aborting a life if it's not due to incest, rape, or an extremely rare circumstance?

Please explain how the circumstances of conception are actually relevant to the argument that abort = murder.

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Originally posted by Fighting Illini:
Regardless of what the Supreme Court says, how can you justify aborting a life if it's not due to incest, rape, or an extremely rare circumstance?

In my opinion, there is no difference. A baby is a baby, no matter how she/he was conceived. Would it suck to carry a baby to term that was the product of rape? Of course. But is it right to murder an innocent baby? Never.....

Check out the latest on the "aborted" baby (in Italy) that lived for, I think, a day or two. The whole episode is now being investigated as a homicide. Should make for a spirited debate over there.....(sorry I don't have a link; it was on the radio.)

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Originally posted by vplee123:
I guess yeah, the woman should be prosecuted too for attempted murder.

Attempted murder??? If a woman has an abortion, she's just murdered a baby.

NO! I mean for seeking out abortion services.

Yes, if she completes it, it should be murder1.
Sorry, should have made that more clear.

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Originally posted by vplee123:

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my understanding that men still aren't equipped with wombs, so until you are you have no right to make decisions about - or judge my decisions about - mine!

I disagree here. All men can know that abortion is evil, and is murder, just as a woman can. You don't need a womb to know that murdering an innocent baby is inherently wrong.......

I think it's laughable that the same one who made jokes about alcohol consumption is against abortion. Nine out of 10 unwanted pregnancies have alcohol to blame.

What? Is this directed at me?
Pleae clarify- yeah, I enjoy some wine, and don't feel it is a problem- we have control over our behavior, and if act responsibly, alcohol consumption in an ADULT has nothing to do with unwanted pregnancy. A little alcohol never hurt anyone. We are responsible for our actions. Are you saying that booze is just as bad as abortion? Not sure where you were going with this....????

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Originally posted by vplee123:

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Originally posted by Fighting Illini:
Regardless of what the Supreme Court says, how can you justify aborting a life if it's not due to incest, rape, or an extremely rare circumstance?

In my opinion, there is no difference. A baby is a baby, no matter how she/he was conceived. Would it suck to carry a baby to term that was the product of rape? Of course. But is it right to murder an innocent baby? Never.....

is it right to force a woman to be reminded every minute of every day of the assault she suffered, for nine months? Then force her unwillingly into the pain of child birth?
so that you are making her rape last for 9 months instead of just a few minutes? not to mention the several weeks required to recover.

it's between her and god, and no one else.

I asked a question earlier that no one seemed to care to answer. If abortion is murder (and I'm not saying it isn't), then shouldn't there be an investigation to rule our murder any time a woman doesn't complete a pregnancy?

Dolemitejb,

Of course. Murder is murder. ALL women tho do not complete their [pregnancies are absolutely guily of either involuntary manslaughter or murder. I could make a very good case for that.

'Nuther question: A woman can take an over the counter "morning after" pill that prevents the fertilized egg from attaching to the uterine wall. This woman is also guilty of murder and shall spend the rest of her life in prison, right?

And the 9 year old incest victim (happened in South America a few months ago). She should also spend the rest of her life in prison, right?

Right?

You who are claiming that abortion is "always" murder, I really expect you to answer this of face accusation of cowardice.

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I asked a question earlier that no one seemed to care to answer

Don't expect one . . . Or perhaps their non-answer is your answer.

When you aren't brave enough to answer the difficult questions, then how sold is your stance?

Not very is my guess.

You who are claiming that abortion is "always" murder, I really expect you to answer this of face accusation of cowardice

I will answer my opinion on these matters, Sofa. I believe that if a woman seeks an abortion because she doesn't WANT or cannot take care of a child, or for convenience, etc. That is murder.
Now there are extenuating circumstances in every facet of the law. If a 9 year old girl is pregnant, it would be detrimental to her health to carry a child to term.
I wish it were black and white. But it cannot be. However, I can only say MY opinion, and that is that if I were raped, I would carry the baby to term, and put her up for adoption, or choose to love the child, despite how he/she was conceived.
I will repeat- if the woman's life is in jeopardy (as in the case of a 9 year old child) than the procedure ceases to be "ELECTIVE".
ELECTIVE abortion is murder.
I hope that answers the question.
Oh- morning after pill? It's an abortion, albeit in a pharmaceutical form. I hate that it exists.
Should a criminal investigation occur when a woman does not complete a pregnancy to term? Well, this is a moot point, because most women are under the care of a physician- he/she would be able to document the reason for pregnancy loss. If suspicious that the woman did something deliberately to end the pregnancy, then YES it is a criminal matter.
But these are my opinions, and I will stand firm in them.

This is a subject that has been debated since the beginning of time and has never been agreed upon by everyone. I think that a woman has the right to decide what to do for herself. I dont think that abortion should be a form of birth control. I myself may never consider having an abortion but the option should be there under certain circumstances and only in the first trimester of pregancy. In some cases of abused and murdered children by their parents maybe if the mother had an abortion they would not have had to suffer the life they did.

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Originally posted by vplee123:
Oh- morning after pill? It's an abortion, albeit in a pharmaceutical form.

i kinda have to disagree with this one. it prevents conception, so that the egg is never fertilized. it might be a Prebortion. /shrug

if the egg is never fertilized, conception doesn't occur, so the idea of 'life begins at conception' doesn't apply.

or at least that's how I see it.