I just read through the responses.  Funny that others thought of songs because when I read the thread's name, I immediately thought of Rich Mullins' song "Elijah".  He perfectly describes how I feel about death...

 

"When I leave, I want to go out like Elijah, with a whirlwind to fuel my chariot of fire, and when I look back on the stars, it'll be like a candlelight in Central Park and it won't break my heart to say 'goodbye'."    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YArMfcMvltc

It just struck me like a bolt of lightning.

Where have I been???????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![smacks steel post]

Joy belives in once saved always saved. Ooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhoooo oooo[shiver] I’m so gladddddddddd. Now I totally understand her!!!!!!!!!!

Thank you Joy thank you. You have lifted a great burden off me.

Aaaaaaaaaa a mazing grace, how sweet thu sound……….I just feel like singing.

Mine eyes are opened!!!!!!!!the scales have fallen away.

Hey ….nothing odd about that belief. Most Baptists believe that way.er I guess all of them. No prob ….[backs off] Joy don’t have to let me back on her forum. She’s heaven bound anyhow. Foiled again.

Originally Posted by Magpie:

Where have I been???????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If I were a betting woman, and I'm not, I'd put my money on spending every free moment lying about complete strangers on the internet.

 

Anyone who has been here a while and discussed religion with me would know that I believe in once saved, always saved.

Originally Posted by Magpie:

Uuuhhhhmmmmmph[clinching dog tag in teeth] I hope LMM/B50M don’t believe in once saved always saved. No one would be safe.

I don't. 

 

I do believe that a lying scumbag will always be a lying scumbag. He will even lie to himself to justify his evil actions.  He will bear false witness again and again. He will pray on Sunday and lie on Monday. He will purposely hurt people in the name of his own vanity. He is a useless old fool and needs to be pitied.  May God forgive him.

 

Originally Posted by _Joy_:
Originally Posted by Magpie:

Where have I been???????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If I were a betting woman, and I'm not, I'd put my money on spending every free moment lying about complete strangers on the internet.

 

Anyone who has been here a while and discussed religion with me would know that I believe in once saved, always saved.

Deep it just occurred to me; I know there must be some element of fear, however small it might be, that upon your being deceased you soul could be whisked away to eternal torment. According to some on here you could assure that this is not the ultimate case for you. You could, for some short period, adopt the doctrine of Joy; once saved always saved, then return to your Godless ways of sin and upon receiving corruption enjoy salvation. Not a bad deal.

As you know, I have wrestled with how Joy could claim to be “Captain Christian” yet she sins against me, while taking a band of atheistic’cs and naughties into her bosom on that xxx-rated forum of iniquity.

Now I understand; the sins don’t count. That my friend is called designer religion.

Two kinds of religion:

1. Decorator kind. Made up of anything available at the moment ,possibly tacky to the untrained eye, hodge podge, inconsistent in color co-ordination, appealing to the non-affluent but workable.

2. Designer kind. Well researched then constructed in such a way as not to appear as unpleasant baggage to the user but allows the aire of freedom in any circumstance where sin might be the order of the day.

You know like drinking, cussin’, smoking’, dippin’, chewing etc……and oooooooooohh the nasty stuff.

Ah, the usual bizarre load of the lies from Magpie...so glad TVT allows this...why, I can't imagine why participation keeps going down.

 

According to you, Magpie, you are not a Christian; therefore, you are not qualified to tell anyone what a Christian is or should be.  Your twisted idea of 'once saved, always saved' is as false as everything else you say.

 

To refute your latest lies, a link, forum viewable to all...

 

http://alabamian.forumotion.com/

 

TVT Admin, this member has been reported and is still here.  If you allow his lies about me & others (which is breaking your own rules), a link revealing his lies about me will be my rebuttal from now on.

I don't understand why anyone gets so upset about everyone else's beliefs.  I mean if a person "knows" in his/her heart that s/he is going to heaven, then why judge others' beliefs or why try to convince everyone else s/he is wrong?  These are all beliefs and they are on faith, so why not have your own faith, everyone, and let others have theirs?

 

I can see caring about others' not being "saved" if that is your belief system, but I don't get beating them over the head with it or calling names, degrading them, or being nasty about differences.  In the long run we all go on our own journey when it's our time to go, and if your life is the best you could make it and you did what you could do to make the world a nicer place, then what does it matter if someone believes this way or that?  In the long run if you believe in God/gods/hell/heaven/being judged it will be your life that is judged and your own record of treating others, not how many people you managed to convince your way is right.  If there is free will then why would a person be judged on others' choices?  So why not focus on what we do ourselves instead of proving everyone else wrong?

  These are all beliefs and they are on faith, so why not have your own faith, everyone, and let others have theirs?   So why not focus on what we do ourselves instead of proving everyone else wrong?

 

 

Absolutely logical, and I agree.

I agree, frog.  The message Christians were given to tell others is the message of reconciliation, not the message of condemnation.

 

"I like your Jesus, but not your Christians...your Christians are so unlike your Jesus." -- Mahatma Gandhi

 

I can see why Gandhi felt that way.  Sometimes a person claims to be a Christian, but has no idea what that means and rather that picking up a Bible to find out for themselves, they judge others based on some whacked out notions that are not even in the Bible.

Joy dear, show me where my translation of your belief is in error. Point out why this would not work for deep. You have said harsh and hateful things about me over there and have allowed your forum members, while I admit drunken by your charm, to threaten me with bodily warm and defile my character and even allow an emissary, one LMM, to come to my forum and attack me......and claim exclusion of Gods judgement. that's what deep needs.

Originally Posted by frog:

I don't understand why anyone gets so upset about everyone else's beliefs.  I mean if a person "knows" in his/her heart that s/he is going to heaven, then why judge others' beliefs or why try to convince everyone else s/he is wrong?  These are all beliefs and they are on faith, so why not have your own faith, everyone, and let others have theirs?

 

I can see caring about others' not being "saved" if that is your belief system, but I don't get beating them over the head with it or calling names, degrading them, or being nasty about differences.  In the long run we all go on our own journey when it's our time to go, and if your life is the best you could make it and you did what you could do to make the world a nicer place, then what does it matter if someone believes this way or that?  In the long run if you believe in God/gods/hell/heaven/being judged it will be your life that is judged and your own record of treating others, not how many people you managed to convince your way is right.  If there is free will then why would a person be judged on others' choices?  So why not focus on what we do ourselves instead of proving everyone else wrong?

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I wish you were right frogette, but it ain't gonna happen.

When ninety percent are closed minded, there is only ten percent

discussion. If someone has the slightest dislike for whatever the subject

the door slams. It's come down to a brawl.

 

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Originally Posted by Magpie:

Joy dear, show me where my translation of your belief is in error. Point out why this would not work for deep. You have said harsh and hateful things about me over there and have allowed your forum members, while I admit drunken by your charm, to threaten me with bodily warm and defile my character and even allow an emissary, one LMM, to come to my forum and attack me......and claim exclusion of Gods judgement. that's what deep needs.


 

 

My dear friend Deep can speak for himself.  I guarantee you he doesn't want you of all people speaking for him.  He will let me know if he wants to discuss salvation with me...lol.

 

To refute your latest lies, a link, forum is viewable to all...

 

http://alabamian.forumotion.com/

 

TVT Admin, this member has been reported and is still here.  If you allow his lies about me & others (which is breaking your own rules), a link revealing his lies about me will be my rebuttal from now on.

 

Originally Posted by _Joy_:
Originally Posted by Magpie:

Joy dear, show me where my translation of your belief is in error. Point out why this would not work for deep. You have said harsh and hateful things about me over there and have allowed your forum members, while I admit drunken by your charm, to threaten me with bodily warm and defile my character and even allow an emissary, one LMM, to come to my forum and attack me......and claim exclusion of Gods judgement. that's what deep needs.


 

 

My dear friend Deep can speak for himself.  I guarantee you he doesn't want you of all people speaking for him.  I will talk to Deep about this if HE wants to know.

 

To refute your latest lies, a link, forum is viewable to all...

 

http://alabamian.forumotion.com/

 

TVT Admin, this member has been reported and is still here.  If you allow his lies about me & others (which is breaking your own rules), a link revealing his lies about me will be my rebuttal from now on.

 

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Well thanks Joy, I must have missed that one.

 

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Originally Posted by INVICTUS:
Originally Posted by frog:

I don't understand why anyone gets so upset about everyone else's beliefs.  I mean if a person "knows" in his/her heart that s/he is going to heaven, then why judge others' beliefs or why try to convince everyone else s/he is wrong?  These are all beliefs and they are on faith, so why not have your own faith, everyone, and let others have theirs?

 

I can see caring about others' not being "saved" if that is your belief system, but I don't get beating them over the head with it or calling names, degrading them, or being nasty about differences.  In the long run we all go on our own journey when it's our time to go, and if your life is the best you could make it and you did what you could do to make the world a nicer place, then what does it matter if someone believes this way or that?  In the long run if you believe in God/gods/hell/heaven/being judged it will be your life that is judged and your own record of treating others, not how many people you managed to convince your way is right.  If there is free will then why would a person be judged on others' choices?  So why not focus on what we do ourselves instead of proving everyone else wrong?

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I wish you were right frogette, but it ain't gonna happen.

When ninety percent are closed minded, there is only ten percent

discussion. If someone has the slightest dislike for whatever the subject

the door slams. It's come down to a brawl.

 

.


It doesn't have to be that way, though.  How sad we come to a place to discuss things and it so often turns into brawls.  A microcosm of how humans deal with each other on a larger scale...sigh.

ramm/buff/loony says:

even allow an emissary, one LMM, to come to my forum and attack me...

 

 

Joy did not even know I went to your forum until I told her.  You allowed me back in. You begged for me to come. If YOU allowed me back into YOUR forum, whose fault is it that I copied YOUR words spoken against other people?

Idiot.

I wish you were right frogette, but it ain't gonna happen.

When ninety percent are closed minded, there is only ten percent

discussion. If someone has the slightest dislike for whatever the subject

the door slams. It's come down to a brawl.

 

.


It doesn't have to be that way, though.  How sad we come to a place to discuss things and it so often turns into brawls.  A microcosm of how humans deal with each other on a larger scale...sigh.


I agree frog. And it doesn't have to be religion that causes the fights. Look at the hatred spewed in politics by both sides.... Look at the international scale where dictators are being toppled by the people only to be replaced with more dictators....The world has gone mad an no one cares.

I think lots of people care, but they get outshouted by people who want things all run one way...theirs.  It starts one person at a time and it comes about by people making choices not to attack others or try to have all the goodies or to be the only one who is right.

 

It's the same story over and over through history, and it's like two kids fighting over a toy when it will be broken in a day and lay forgotten on the floor no matter who wins the battle.  It just doesn't have to be that way at all and you are right, b50m.  It isn't just religion, and although I don't believe that no one cares, I think it's hard for those who want to work together and find real solutions or just peacefully co-exist when so much anger is all around.  It feels like a big train full of people rolling down a hill to a ravine, and although the train has brakes everyone on the train is fighting over who gets to pull the brake lever as the train picks up speed.  

Frog, I can’t believe b50m and joy take all this dead serious. It’s funny as it can be.

I’m not serious about any of this stuff and here lΘΘk attum over there,  SWELLED UP LIKE TWO POISONED DOGS. Lol Come on b50m/LMM and Joy lighten up.

 

Frog, your post reflect how I feel too. I enjoy reading your post & believe what you speak has a lot of wisdom within. I hang around here hoping someone will say something that will turn on a light bulb within my head. Maybe say something that trigger something I've never thought about before. I've admitted being confused, & having a lot of un-answered questions but Bill Gray has to get ugly & has already condemned me to Hell. I hope you take what he says with a grain of salt.

Originally Posted by Magpie:

Frog, I can’t believe b50m and joy take all this dead serious. It’s funny as it can be.

I’m not serious about any of this stuff and here lΘΘk attum over there,  SWELLED UP LIKE TWO POISONED DOGS. Lol Come on b50m/LMM and Joy lighten up.

 

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Mag, it's hard for to believe that you're really COC.

Is the religion forum really the place for this? Maybe you should consider moving it to the entertainment forum.

Originally Posted by Magpie:

     i wake up, make 12 cups, take out garbage, go to MacDonands for wife and kids, enjoy the fresh air, come back, sit down with coffee and there's that danged cat again.


Do your wife and kids know what you do when you're on the internet? Do they know you are a dirty old forum troll that harasses and stalks people on local forums and slanders and tells lies about them and their friends and then when confronted you pretend you know nothing about it and that you are the victim? You are so transparent it's sickening. No matter what new name or new id you're hiding behind.
Originally Posted by dark dreamer:
Originally Posted by Magpie:

     i wake up, make 12 cups, take out garbage, go to MacDonands for wife and kids, enjoy the fresh air, come back, sit down with coffee and there's that danged cat again.


Do your wife and kids know what you do when you're on the internet? Do they know you are a dirty old forum troll that harasses and stalks people on local forums and slanders and tells lies about them and their friends and then when confronted you pretend you know nothing about it and that you are the victim? You are so transparent it's sickening. No matter what new name or new id you're hiding behind.

 

 

I’ll respond to that blamed cat if you don’t mind dark. She has the burr under her saddle over me.

No you blamed cat, my wife does not approve, my kids laugh and scold me but I’m not an ex of anyone and neither is she OK. The household has computers and my wife hits me over the head when I have said things. Especially to joi. OK blamed cat?©

 

 

:copyrighted statement and cannot be reprinted in this world or the next. Under penalty of the law. 

Originally Posted by frog:

I don't understand why anyone gets so upset about everyone else's beliefs.  I mean if a person "knows" in his/her heart that s/he is going to heaven, then why judge others' beliefs or why try to convince everyone else s/he is wrong?  These are all beliefs and they are on faith, so why not have your own faith, everyone, and let others have theirs?

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Because "faith" kills.  How many more children will be raped by a priest or preacher in the name of God?  How many more kids will die because their parents chose to "pay" instead of seeking medical attention? How many more women will be forced to carry an unwanted fetus to term because some preacher thinks a bundle of dividing cells equals a "human,"  How many more times will I forget to buy beer on Saturday and be denied my right to pursue happiness with a good beer or bottle of wine on Sunday because some idiot says his god says "no"?  How many more wars will be fought over differences between beliefs in invisible beings?

 

Keep your personal irrational beliefs to yourself and don't impose them on others and all will be fine.

Frog, I really don't have to tell you how irrational beliefs directly translate to evils all over this creation.  Do I? 

How many drive through restaurant shootings will there be because somebody wanted a hamburger? How many kids in Brazil will be forced into prostitution because their families were so poor they abandoned them? How many assasinations have occurred because of political beliefs? How many Mexicans died this week because of drug wars? How many drive-by shootings happened this week because of gang warfare?

 

Welcome to the real world.

 

Oh, and by the way, Sunday comes at the same time every week, so if you forgot to get your all important beer, it's your own fault.

Originally Posted by O No!:

(I knew you couldn't stay away long, Ono. Welcome back. I've got a surprise for you that I've been meaning to post so stay tuned)

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Welcome to the real world.

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Well, yes.  I know that people will commit evil whether there is religion or not.  But, you know, there is an interesting thing that is making the circles in criminal law.  Let's take an example of a town that has "X" numbers of crimes committed every day.  It was once thought that is police focused on a violent area on Tuesday then left the area, it was assumed that the criminals would increase crimes on other days to sort of make up for it.

It turns out that that is not reflected in the statistics.  Stats show that if you prevent those crimes from happening on Tuesday, they DON'T happen later on.  Crime rate does actually drop by 1/7th. In other words, those crimes are permanently delayed.  They are scrambling to explain this phenomenon but the stats don't lie.

The point is that even thought people will do evil no matter what, giving them cover under the name of God will actually serve to reduce evil.  A pedophile priest who loses faith and leaves the church  might still commit a crime. But he won't have the opportunities he once had.

Parents will still kill their kids but those that pray rather than seek medical attention won't do that if they have no faith.  So those kids would have lived.

Wars will still be committed but the Jihad that Muslims have on Xtians will no longer be am motivator.  They will have to find something else and, when you get down to it, there often isn't much else.   

 

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Oh, and by the way, Sunday comes at the same time every week, so if you forgot to get your all important beer, it's your own fault.

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Gee, thank you for that brilliant observation.  I hadn't considered that.

I wouldn't have a problem with banning beer all 7 days of the week.  At least that is consistent.  But the fact that I am FORCED into obedience by your invisible man to remember to buy on Saturday (which is actually the "real" Sabbath) is ridiculous.  It is a minor yet poignant reminder that your beliefs interfere with my life in very subtle, unwelcomed ways.  And you wonder why atheists are so angry.  

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