Originally Posted by Unobtanium:
Originally Posted by frog:

I don't understand why anyone gets so upset about everyone else's beliefs.  I mean if a person "knows" in his/her heart that s/he is going to heaven, then why judge others' beliefs or why try to convince everyone else s/he is wrong?  These are all beliefs and they are on faith, so why not have your own faith, everyone, and let others have theirs?

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Because "faith" kills.  How many more children will be raped by a priest or preacher in the name of God?  How many more kids will die because their parents chose to "pay" instead of seeking medical attention? How many more women will be forced to carry an unwanted fetus to term because some preacher thinks a bundle of dividing cells equals a "human,"  How many more times will I forget to buy beer on Saturday and be denied my right to pursue happiness with a good beer or bottle of wine on Sunday because some idiot says his god says "no"?  How many more wars will be fought over differences between beliefs in invisible beings?

 

Keep your personal irrational beliefs to yourself and don't impose them on others and all will be fine.

Frog, I really don't have to tell you how irrational beliefs directly translate to evils all over this creation.  Do I? 


Of course not.  Most people have some kind of irrational belief, so that isn't surprising at all.  It is when groups decide their sets of beliefs are the only right ones and believe that everyone else should be living how they choose that the problem arises as far as I can see.

Originally Posted by O No!:

How many drive through restaurant shootings will there be because somebody wanted a hamburger? How many kids in Brazil will be forced into prostitution because their families were so poor they abandoned them? How many assasinations have occurred because of political beliefs? How many Mexicans died this week because of drug wars? How many drive-by shootings happened this week because of gang warfare?

 

Welcome to the real world.

 

Oh, and by the way, Sunday comes at the same time every week, so if you forgot to get your all important beer, it's your own fault.


Yes, all those things happen and I am very well aware of how the real world operates.  You make my point too, actually.  Boundary issues galore are in your list of real world occurrences, and although I realize it isn't going to change because I say it could, I still say it doesn't have to be that way.

 

And really if the law is based on religious beliefs it should be struck down.  I don't drink and don't buy alcohol, so not sure what other reason there would be not to buy on Sunday, but why should someone have to arrange his/her shopping schedule because someone else thinks there should be no beer sold on a particular day?  Boundaries again it seems to me....

Originally Posted by frog:
Originally Posted by O No!:

How many drive through restaurant shootings will there be because somebody wanted a hamburger? How many kids in Brazil will be forced into prostitution because their families were so poor they abandoned them? How many assasinations have occurred because of political beliefs? How many Mexicans died this week because of drug wars? How many drive-by shootings happened this week because of gang warfare?

 

Welcome to the real world.

 

Oh, and by the way, Sunday comes at the same time every week, so if you forgot to get your all important beer, it's your own fault.


Yes, all those things happen and I am very well aware of how the real world operates.  You make my point too, actually.  Boundary issues galore are in your list of real world occurrences, and although I realize it isn't going to change because I say it could, I still say it doesn't have to be that way.

 

And really if the law is based on religious beliefs it should be struck down.  I don't drink and don't buy alcohol, so not sure what other reason there would be not to buy on Sunday, but why should someone have to arrange his/her shopping schedule because someone else thinks there should be no beer sold on a particular day?  Boundaries again it seems to me....

if we were talking about a hundred years ago when shopping was a once a month mule cart thing, i could agree.  Every one goes somewhere almost every day.  Work, school, clubs, meetings. If you pass a Walmart or  liquor store 6 times a week, then get mad because you forgot to buy beer, it's your own fault on Sunday.

You can always go out to eat as restaurants are not restricted from serving alcohol on Sunday, unless you stay there until 2am.

''''Bars and other establishments with an on-premise license are required to stop serving alcohol at 2 a.m.'''

 

Originally Posted by b50m:
Originally Posted by frog:
Originally Posted by O No!:

How many drive through restaurant shootings will there be because somebody wanted a hamburger? How many kids in Brazil will be forced into prostitution because their families were so poor they abandoned them? How many assasinations have occurred because of political beliefs? How many Mexicans died this week because of drug wars? How many drive-by shootings happened this week because of gang warfare?

 

Welcome to the real world.

 

Oh, and by the way, Sunday comes at the same time every week, so if you forgot to get your all important beer, it's your own fault.


Yes, all those things happen and I am very well aware of how the real world operates.  You make my point too, actually.  Boundary issues galore are in your list of real world occurrences, and although I realize it isn't going to change because I say it could, I still say it doesn't have to be that way.

 

And really if the law is based on religious beliefs it should be struck down.  I don't drink and don't buy alcohol, so not sure what other reason there would be not to buy on Sunday, but why should someone have to arrange his/her shopping schedule because someone else thinks there should be no beer sold on a particular day?  Boundaries again it seems to me....

if we were talking about a hundred years ago when shopping was a once a month mule cart thing, i could agree.  Every one goes somewhere almost every day.  Work, school, clubs, meetings. If you pass a Walmart or  liquor store 6 times a week, then get mad because you forgot to buy beer, it's your own fault on Sunday.

You can always go out to eat as restaurants are not restricted from serving alcohol on Sunday, unless you stay there until 2am.

''''Bars and other establishments with an on-premise license are required to stop serving alcohol at 2 a.m.'''

 


But my point is that if the day I can grocery shop and my chance to put beer in my cart is on a Sunday, and that law is only on the books because of one group's religious beliefs regarding Sundays, alcohol, or some other aspect of buying it on Sunday, why shouldn't I be able to buy it?  Should I have to go out to eat or go drink and have to drive home when the store sells beer all the rest of the week?  It isn't the point how close I am to the store or if I can squeeze it into my busy schedule, but if a law is based on a religious belief I don't see why it should be forced on the rest of the population who might not believe.  

 

As I said, I don't want it anyway, but I don't see why it is on the books at this point in time.  Well, I do see why, but it doesn't make sense to me.  If I led a group of people who believe it is wrong to buy hamburger on Saturday and I gave my "logical" reasons why no one should buy hamburger on that day I doubt it would go very far...lol.  I'm not all worked up about it or anything, but say a group who felt pork was unclean decided no one should be allowed to buy pork...well, we know that doesn't work either.  I figure if I don't want to drink on Sunday I just won't drink on Sunday and whoever else can do what they want...just don't drink and then drink home is all I ask.

One more way they impose their will on some people for now, but most likely these stupid laws will be declared to be outdated and done away with everywhere before long.

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Blue law

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A blue law is a type of law, typically found in the United States and Canada, designed to enforce religious standards, particularly the observance of Sunday as a day of worship or rest, and a restriction on Sunday shopping. Most have been repealed, have been declared unconstitutional, or are simply unenforced; though prohibitions on the sale of alcoholic beverages or prohibitions of almost all commerce on Sundays are still enforced in many areas. Blue laws often prohibit an activity only during certain hours and there are usually exceptions to the prohibition of commerce, like grocery and drug stores. In some places blue laws may be enforced due to religious principles, but others are retained as a matter of tradition or out of convenience.[1]

 In some places blue laws may be enforced due to religious principles

most likely these stupid laws will be declared to be outdated and done away with everywhere

 

 

A blue law is a type of law, typically found in the United States and Canada, designed to enforce religious standards, particularly the observance of Sunday as a day of worship or rest, and a restriction on Sunday shopping.

 

You can do like the christians do frog, go where you can buy booze on Sunday and lottery tickets and hope you don't run into your pals doing the same even though you know they do. That's the perks of being a christian, you get to live however you want as long as you pretend you don't do those things, and all the while you get to tell everyone else how they should live their lives.

Originally Posted by b50m:

 

You can always go out to eat as restaurants are not restricted from serving alcohol on Sunday, unless you stay there until 2am.

 

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In some states, South Carolina for example, you still cannot buy pantyhose on Sundays.  Used to be that you could not buy feminine products either. Again in SC, you cannot buy a TEE SHIRT before noon on Sundays as it is not deemed "necessary."  All for religions reasons.  Do you also support those, too? 

To you, it's just a minor infraction.  And it is.  It rarely affects me as I keep the wine cellar nicely stocked.  BUT IT IS STUPID and is driven solely by religion idiocy.  Even a small infraction of my rights is a very big infraction on all our rights.  

 

I don't like it either.  But it's just one of those stupid laws that never got changed.  In some states, ugly people can't get married.  I wonder who gets to decide who is ugly?

 

Unlike you, who ***** and moan about it, I just wait and buy what I saw on Monday.

Originally Posted by b50m:

I don't like it either.  But it's just one of those stupid laws that never got changed.  In some states, ugly people can't get married.  I wonder who gets to decide who is ugly?

 

Unlike you, who ***** and moan about it, I just wait and buy what I saw on Monday.


Believe me, if I were doing those two things my comments wouldn't be framed as they were.  I was simply saying it doesn't make logical sense any more than many other laws based on religion do.

Originally Posted by frog:
Originally Posted by b50m:

I don't like it either.  But it's just one of those stupid laws that never got changed.  In some states, ugly people can't get married.  I wonder who gets to decide who is ugly?

 

Unlike you, who ***** and moan about it, I just wait and buy what I saw on Monday.


Believe me, if I were doing those two things my comments wouldn't be framed as they were.  I was simply saying it doesn't make logical sense any more than many other laws based on religion do.

That comment was for UNOB!!!!!!! LOL

 

And it doesn't make logical sense, but what in government does?

Originally Posted by frog:
Originally Posted by b50m:

I don't like it either.  But it's just one of those stupid laws that never got changed.  In some states, ugly people can't get married.  I wonder who gets to decide who is ugly?

 

Unlike you, who ***** and moan about it, I just wait and buy what I saw on Monday.


Believe me, if I were doing those two things my comments wouldn't be framed as they were.  I was simply saying it doesn't make logical sense any more than many other laws based on religion do.

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Those laws are by no means logical, I was sure glad we got rid of them a few yrs. back.

 

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