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From Best Friends to Killers: Teens Murder Friend Because They 'Didn't Like Her'

http://abcnews.go.com/US/best-...nt/story?id=24573749

https://www.cnn.com/2015/03/19...rder-plot/index.html

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/u...omemade-bomb-n814526

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new...friend-19-times.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Shanda_Sharer

And on and on, and so many every year of attempted and actual murders, not only of each other but their parents and siblings. These cases aren't talked about, but the school shootings pale in comparison of the horrific crimes these kids commit.

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When these things happen there is seldom a lack of ideas and suggestions about how to correct thing or make things safer, which is a good thing, but in this case, EVERYTHING was there for this to have been prevented from happening.  One man did what he was supposed to do by notifying authorities when he saw things that sent up the red flags and he did so just about a month ago, and somehow all things that should have worked failed.  Sometimes you have a case that slips through the cracks and this one horrendously did.  This could have been prevented and some people are having to live with the fact that they didn't do their job or fell down on their job and as a result, 17 innocent people died.  

If people want to do away with or modify the 2nd Amendment then there is a Constitutionally prescribed way to do that.  If the American people decided to do that then it should be by that very procedure and if it doesn't pass then that decision should also be accepted.  In my opinion, though, even doing it by the Constitutionally prescribed way, if it passed and surely if it was attempted by any other way would it potentially put our nation in another (un)Civil War for there are many freedom loving people that will not relinquish their weapons to the Government regardless of how it comes about.  This still will not stop mentally deficient people from doing horrendous things for this boy had been studying how to make bombs and given enough time could have perfected doing that and could have potentially killed or injured more.  

If eliminating the instrument stops the violent act from happening then why don't we eliminate alcohol again as many more innocent people die annually from drunk drivers than from legally obtained guns?

From David's Soapbox .. dated article though

MADD Stats

This one says Alcohol 3 times more deaths

There are things that can be done to help reduce gun violence and those stem around following up on tips and warnings like was given.  Paying attention to all the checkboxes that are so common with people like this boy who did this.  Beefing up and strengthening background checks and doing more to prevent mentally ill people from ever obtaining firearms.  

 

 

So, is this supposed to say we don't need to end school shootings? I can't understand the course of this topic.
Why is there such an argument from the right about the cause of the school shootings? Regardless of the mind set an individual is in, the cause of school shootings is people with guns in a school seeking to do harm to others.
What about PTSD? You think it's hard on our troops? What about the school children who are now going to suffer from PTSD FROM GOING TO SCHOOL? I thought the Republicans were the party of the troops. Does someone who willingly put themselves in harm's way to protect our freedoms life matter more than a completely innocent child's?
Why do Republicans always turn the argument to other items. Would a solution to DUI deaths be to give more people drivers' licenses or give them more to drink? I don't understand why it's so difficult for a sane, "responsible" gun owner to be in favor of gun control. We can use the same argument the NSA did, "if you aren't hiding anything, then you shouldn't be afraid." Or do these gun owners really think of themselves as John McClain who will save the world one day or beat back an oppressive government? Today's military has access to tanks, drones and unimaginable technology. That 30.06 isn't going to stop the US Army...

Br’er Rabbit posted:

So, is this supposed to say we don't need to end school shootings? I can't understand the course of this topic.
Why is there such an argument from the right about the cause of the school shootings? Regardless of the mind set an individual is in, the cause of school shootings is people with guns in a school seeking to do harm to others.
What about PTSD? You think it's hard on our troops? What about the school children who are now going to suffer from PTSD FROM GOING TO SCHOOL? I thought the Republicans were the party of the troops. Does someone who willingly put themselves in harm's way to protect our freedoms life matter more than a completely innocent child's?
Why do Republicans always turn the argument to other items. Would a solution to DUI deaths be to give more people drivers' licenses or give them more to drink? I don't understand why it's so difficult for a sane, "responsible" gun owner to be in favor of gun control. We can use the same argument the NSA did, "if you aren't hiding anything, then you shouldn't be afraid." Or do these gun owners really think of themselves as John McClain who will save the world one day or beat back an oppressive government? Today's military has access to tanks, drones and unimaginable technology. That 30.06 isn't going to stop the US Army...

I'm certainly glad you didn't politicize things.

Kraven posted:
Mandatory home schooling for all people K--16.
All education after that is done per specialized institutions,
law, medical ect. Liberal arts will be banned because it's a
waste of time, money and space.....

Sounds impossible to make everyone go to college, even at home.

Kraven posted:
Mandatory home schooling for all people K--16.
All education after that is done per specialized institutions,
law, medical ect. Liberal arts will be banned because it's a
waste of time, money and space.....

My wife wanted to homeschool our grandchildren but I knew there was no way that we could do it or accomplish it.  I do think, in many cases, other than the lack of social interaction with other students which some Churches make up for, that homeschooled kids come out with a far more rounded education.  To do so though requires discipline on the part of parents, as well as the time and neither my wife nor I, have either at our ages.   I do know that there are some good materials out there for Homeschoolers and it's seeing an increase in inquiries for the materials and some parents are better equipped for teaching at home both mentally, psychologically, and emotionally, than others.  

I don't know about mandatory home Schooling but I believe it should be protected and made fully available for any parents that want to research it or try it without much of the stigma that many put upon it.

I was never much of a home schooling fan, but now I see the need to get kids out of the liberal run "institutions" that don't give a flip about kids' safety, only how to use them to push their loony, lefty, agendas. IF they really cared about kids,  there would be security in every public school in the country.

antimaim posted:

I was never much of a home schooling fan, but now I see the need to get kids out of the liberal run "institutions" that don't give a flip about kids' safety, only how to use them to push their loony, lefty, agendas. IF they really cared about kids,  there would be security in every public school in the country.

Ummm... there was an armed guard at the school in Parkland, FL. EVERY ON DUTY COP EVER SHOT WAS ARMED. This is the reason kids are suffering from PTSD, because they attended school.

Recratican posted:
Kraven posted:
Mandatory home schooling for all people K--16.
All education after that is done per specialized institutions,
law, medical ect. Liberal arts will be banned because it's a
waste of time, money and space.....

Sounds impossible to make everyone go to college, even at home.

 

Over here in Memphis, Shelby county and city schools have
educated their students since the pioneers settled the area
that many years ago. Once the liberals took control of the
Memphis school system and city government it didn't take
but a few years to completely decimate the entire educational
system to the point of surrendering the charter and throwing
it's responsibility to the children on the backs of the County.
No need to go into the reasons for their failure to the state of
Tennessee and it's citizens, only to mention the incorporated
towns of the county as always do an outstanding job.
 
The new name for Memphis and rural county schools would
be " Shelby County Schools"
 
 
Kraven posted:
Over here in Memphis, Shelby county and city schools have
educated their students since the pioneers settled the area
that many years ago. Once the liberals took control of the
Memphis school system and city government it didn't take
but a few years to completely decimate the entire educational
system to the point of surrendering the charter and throwing
it's responsibility to the children on the backs of the County.
No need to go into the reasons for their failure to the state of
Tennessee and it's citizens, only to mention the incorporated
towns of the county as always do an outstanding job.
 
The new name for Memphis and rural county schools would
be " Shelby County Schools"
 
 

         

  • There have been guns in the USA for over 240 years ..... In the '70's it was common place to see a gun rack in a truck at a high school ...... NO gun locks.... No gun safes .......This is a new phenomenon ........ What brought this on is a combination of not keeping score and everyone gets a trophy coupled with this new age of "Social" being sitting at a computer ........ This generation doesn't know how to deal with failure and rejection along with having no real people skills that comes from personal interaction in groups and not on a PC ......

Kids all over America are walking out of school today. Protesting gun violence. Republicans are talking gun control. These kids are looking for a future for themselves. Republicans can argue with them. They're the ones being shot. We'll see how this turns out for the Republicans. These kids are not playing around and don't intend to settle for the standard Republican line of drivel. You wanted the kids to stand up, they are... now what, Republicans?

Br’er Rabbit posted:

Kids all over America are walking out of school today. Protesting gun violence. Republicans are talking gun control. These kids are looking for a future for themselves. Republicans can argue with them. They're the ones being shot. We'll see how this turns out for the Republicans. These kids are not playing around and don't intend to settle for the standard Republican line of drivel. You wanted the kids to stand up, they are... now what, Republicans?

Republicans could give these kids 100% of EVERYTHING they demand and ask for and they would still not be satisfied and on top of that they still would vote for Democrats who end up promising everything yet deliver nothing except blaming the Republicans for not  doing what they (Democrats) did not do when they had the power to actually do what they end up requesting.   In Obama's first Term, especially the first two years, Democrats had it all and had a filibuster-proof majority meaning they could have done ANYTHING!  They could have solved the problems with the minority community, they could have passed reparations, they could have enacted gun control, they could have done anything.  But they didn't.  

All they did do was enact Democratic Healthcare (AKA Obamacare) imposing burdens upon most everyone that had health insurance before.  AFTER the Democrats enacted their Healthcare bill citizens had their health insurance cost double or triple for monthly cost and had their deductibles (money that actually come out of people's and families pockets BEFORE Insurance ever takes effect) quadruple.  People's deductibles went from $400.00 annually for a family to over $4000.00 in some cases which means 10 times more money comes out of a family's budget BEFORE the 80% copay takes effect.  Democrats did do that but couldn't seem to do anything else when they had total power in their hands.  All the problems they always complain about and blame the Republicans with could have been addressed but weren't.  Why is that cause it sure wasn't due to the Republicans because they didn't have the power to do anything?

Br’er Rabbit posted:

Why can't Republicans pass any legislation? They have total power and have had for a year?  Why don't Republicans address issues , now?

Please recheck your sources and information as you are incorrect.  Republicans do not have TOTAL unchecked and filibuster-proof majority power as the Democrats had.   Democrats had that kind of power and Republicans have not and have had to deal with Democratic filibusters.  In order to have the power advantage that Democrats had Republicans would have had to have in excess of 60 Senate seats.   When Democrats had less than the filibuster-busting majority  Harry Reid altered the Senate Rules to make 51 Votes a majority.  Harry Reid changed the rules in other words to favor their side.  The Republicans have never done that even though Trump has urged Mitch McConnell to do so.  Republicans have had instances where they have shot their own selves (as the Democrats have done) in the foot by not passing the Obamacare repeal legislation as requested by Donald Trump.  Yes, there were Republican holdouts that detested Trump such as Flake and McCain that the Democrats didn't have to contend with.  Democrats had none of the detractors, within their party, that the Republicans are dealing with yet even with their Majorities where they could have run rough shot over the Republicans they did nothing toward all those ills that they identify as problems needing to be fixed.  

You need to check those facts before making those kinds of statements because I think you are wrong.  

Again:

1) Republicans never had the filibuster-proof 60+ vote majority and majority proof in House along with the Whtie House.  They have had to deal with the Democrats who could stop legislation due to their numbers alone.

2) Democrats had those majorities in Obama's first term in the House and Senate as well as holding the Executive branch.  TOTAL control.

3) Lastly, when Democrats did not hold the Senate Majority they changed the rules to allow them to rule, iron-fisted, through reconciliation with a 51 vote majority rather than the 60+ Majority that the rules said all along they needed.  Republicans haven't done this although Harry Reid did set the precedent and Donald Trump has urged Mitch McConnel to do just that in order to pass the Republicans agenda that the Democrats have 100% opposed and suppressed.

If I am wrong please cite the times that Republicans have held that kind of power that the Democrats held and when the Republicans changed the rules as Harry Reid did?

gbrk posted:
Br’er Rabbit posted:

Kids all over America are walking out of school today. Protesting gun violence. Republicans are talking gun control. These kids are looking for a future for themselves. Republicans can argue with them. They're the ones being shot. We'll see how this turns out for the Republicans. These kids are not playing around and don't intend to settle for the standard Republican line of drivel. You wanted the kids to stand up, they are... now what, Republicans?

Republicans could give these kids 100% of EVERYTHING they demand and ask for and they would still not be satisfied and on top of that they still would vote for Democrats ....

The real reason Republicans won't address the issue. They're scared the kids 'will vote for Democrats'... and in the process, Republicans are making them Democrats.

Kraven posted:
Mandatory home schooling for all people K--16.
All education after that is done per specialized institutions,
law, medical ect. Liberal arts will be banned because it's a
waste of time, money and space.....

Liberal colleges will be razed.

I'll not deny that many Republicans have no guts and will not balk against certain voting groups or even the Media because they are fearful of their influence on elections upcoming.  That said, with regards to the current topic and Gun Control and the 2nd Amendment I will only say there are provisions in place, in our own Constitution, by which someone who wants to alter, modify, or change the Constitution can do so.  There is an amendment process and that is the avenue that people should choose.

Attempting to circumvent that Constitutional amendment process/provision by Executive Order, Congressional Legislation or worse Advocate Judges and Courts is UnConstitutional and dangerous to our freedom and dangerous to our Nation.  

If you want to alter, modify, or change the 2nd Amendment then do it by the Constitutionally prescribed method and if you lose you lose if you win you win.  Otherwise, you risk, or liberals risk, another (un)Civil War among our citizens.  If you have the government moving to remove guns from citizens ownership by any other method than what is constitutional then you will have anarchy, war, and extreme violence amongst the citizens.  I even believe if the 2nd Amendment was removed by the constitutional means that you would have some people that would still resist but nothing to the degree that you would have if they did it by Executive Order, Congress, or the Courts. 

gbrk posted:

I'll not deny that many Republicans have no guts and will not balk against certain voting groups or even the Media because they are fearful of their influence on elections upcoming.  That said, with regards to the current topic and Gun Control and the 2nd Amendment I will only say there are provisions in place, in our own Constitution, by which someone who wants to alter, modify, or change the Constitution can do so.  There is an amendment process and that is the avenue that people should choose.

Attempting to circumvent that Constitutional amendment process/provision by Executive Order, Congressional Legislation or worse Advocate Judges and Courts is UnConstitutional and dangerous to our freedom and dangerous to our Nation.  

If you want to alter, modify, or change the 2nd Amendment then do it by the Constitutionally prescribed method and if you lose you lose if you win you win.  Otherwise, you risk, or liberals risk, another (un)Civil War among our citizens.  If you have the government moving to remove guns from citizens ownership by any other method than what is constitutional then you will have anarchy, war, and extreme violence amongst the citizens.  I even believe if the 2nd Amendment was removed by the constitutional means that you would have some people that would still resist but nothing to the degree that you would have if they did it by Executive Order, Congress, or the Courts. 

The question posed is not about banning guns. It asked the question that IF it was possible to stop school shootings what would be done about the real problem, kids killing kids and others at a rate much higher than any school shooting.

     Max 21 hr ago

When a nation raises a couple generations with zero discipline or training in the importance of respecting the rights of others, what you get are mass shootings and worse! MOST of the guys I knew FORTY years ago had, and were well-trained in the use of AR-15s, yet NONE of us would have ever considered using them to randomly kill innocent people. it is our PEOPLE that have become more DANGEROUS, NOT our guns!!!!

       Pete 1 day ago

Eleven teens die every day in this country from texting behind the wheel. AAA says 94% of teen drivers acknowledge the dangers of texting and driving, but 35% admit to doing it anyway. This is equivalent to four Parkland, FL incidents every week. Where is the outrage and marches and demands for change? Should kids not be allowed to own phones until they are 21? Should we ban cell phones from cars?

  • All I've heard the media publish are kids and parents screaming for action to be taken. But I have not heard one parent or student say what they will do. And that doesn't include protests, lie-ins, marching on the WH and other non-action events. Start changing our culture: put down the cell phone, be empathetic, take away all violent computer games from your kids, turn off the reality TV shows, and so on. We are raising a bunch of psychologically oppressed politically correct disengaged youngsters that have to interactive or social skills anymore. And probably 90% don't attend church or have God in their lives.

 

What is so amazing is with everything that has now come out regarding all the failings of the system and the number of things that went wrong, each of which could have potentially prevented this horror, the one thing that is touted is how we are going to stop all school shootings by banning certain guns.  

Any rational person knows that banning weapons or making new laws is not going to work or succeed.  Ban the AR15's and then the next shooting that happens with a pistol or shotgun will lead to the next step, let's ban pistols and shotguns and so on and so on and so on.  You never hear a word about the vicious first-person shooter video games that puts the player in the position of shooting and killing.  You never hear calls condemning the horrendous movies that are out that desensitize kids and people to violence against others. 

Antimiam, likewise hit on a good point about texting and driving and the same could be said about drunk driving but you will never hear anyone up in arms about that because that doesn't fit the narrative of getting rid of guns and the 2nd amendment.  Those on the left, the liberals have their media outlets to sound out their agenda such as CNN when it scripted their program about the school shooting.  

GB, those are comments from others, but they do have good points. Too, how many kids are murdered, disappear, are raped, or harmed in all sorts of ways by people they meet online? Plenty more than 17. But instead of outrage at all the social media garbage, the left pushes it. ALL the liberal "stars, celebrities" take to their little social media outlets to tell us what they think of our president. That is right after they post their "selfies" showing off their huge *** and ***s, and finish ranting about how men "objectify" them. As if they matter to anyone other than the other loony left pieces of trash. How about the little witch that kept harping at the young unstable kid urging him to commit suicide, which he finally did. OR the boy that killed the 13 year old girl because she was "bothering" him on social media? Guns are not the problem. What society has become because of the liberals and so called "progressives" dragging us to hell is the problem.

 

But guns are the problem.

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The mother of an 11-year-old Michigan boy who killed himself after a cruel social media prank wants a 13-year-old girl to face a harsher penalty for her alleged involvement.

“I wish that there were higher charges,” Katrina Goss, of Marquette, told The Huffington Post. She said she plans to speak to the prosecutor about it.

The Marquette County Prosecutors Office filed two misdemeanor charges against the girl: malicious use of a telecommunications device and using a computer to commit a crime. The maximum penalty for both would be 18 months in jail.

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Megan Taylor Meier (November 6, 1992 – October 17, 2006) was an American teenager who died by suicide by hanging herself three weeks before her 14th birthday. A year later, Meier's parents prompted an investigation into the matter and her suicide was attributed to cyberbullying through the social networking website MySpace

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I couldn’t save my child from being killed by an online predator

Breck Bednar, a 14-year-old boy who loved gaming, was groomed online and murdered in 2014. His mother, Lorin LaFave, was worried – would her pleas for help from police have been taken more seriously if he’d been a girl?

 https://www.theguardian.com/li...-gaming-lorin-lafave

It's not peer pressure, it's not trying to look cool, it's not being given expensive phones and access to all the "social media" outlets without your parents knowing or caring what you are doing, it's the gun's fault.

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Boy, 13, accidentally shoots himself dead on Instagram Live as dozens of his horrified friends watched.

The teen, pictured at a younger age, was reportedly handling a gun when it suddenly went off

Malachi Hemphill, 13, is seen moments before accidentally shooting himself on Instagram Live

 

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/...ots-himself-10217168

 

antimaim posted:

Sorry Lily, the left doesn't care about you unless you were killed in a "school shooting". School bullying until you commit suicide doesn't matter.

Didn't the FLOTUS take up cyber bullying as her hobby? How's that going, considering her hubby is a huge problem?

Republicans couldn't care less about any of it until it happens to their family, then we'll see some action.

direstraits posted:
Kraven posted:
Mandatory home schooling for all people K--16.
All education after that is done per specialized institutions,
law, medical ect. Liberal arts will be banned because it's a
waste of time, money and space.....

K-12, maybe.  

That would be the logical thing, but 13-16 exposed to the college
environment/professors is where the Alinsky indoctrination
begins... 
Kraven posted:
direstraits posted:
Kraven posted:
Mandatory home schooling for all people K--16.
All education after that is done per specialized institutions,
law, medical ect. Liberal arts will be banned because it's a
waste of time, money and space.....

K-12, maybe.  

That would be the logical thing, but 13-16 exposed to the college
environment/professors is where the Alinsky indoctrination
begins... 

Home schooling isn't conductive to advanced learning. 

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