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The United States Army and other U.S. intelligence services failed to detect the presence of an al Qaeda operative within their ranks named Ali Mohamed.

For years, A.M. was a member of the U.S. Army's elite Special Forces and trained at Ft. Bragg and other locations throughout the United States and overseas.

During his stint in the Army, he travelled overseas and actively participated in the training of al Qaeda terrorists with training manuals stolen from U.S. Army facilities, some of which were classified as "Secret."

After his enlistment in the Army was completed, he then became an FBI informant, and later worked for the CIA.

All the while, he was never suspected of, nor investigated for involvement with al Qaeda or terrorist networks.

Who should be indicted and tried, and heads proverbially placed upon a platter for abysmally failing their mission and the American people?

Responsibility rests at the top.

Ali Mohamed, while a sergeant in the U.S. Army's Special Forces,
  • stole training manuals,

    and trained
  • bin Laden's body guards,
  • al Qaeda terrorists in Afghanistan and the Sudan,

    then
  • worked for the CIA 15 years as an informant,
  • later for the FBI,
all the while concealing his al Qaeda involvement.

He also
  • helped import bin Laden's chief deputy, Ayman al-Zawahiri, to the San Francisco Bay Area on a covert fund-raising mission; and
  • planned the 1998 bombing of the U.S. Embassy in Nairobi,
where more than 200 people were killed.

http://usinfo.state.gov/is/Archive_Index/Ali_Mohamed.html

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22ali+mohamed&btnG=Google+Search
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The media did cover this. I watched it on the news special just the other night. I can't remember which network. It told how the FBI tried to cover it up. You are right on about it not being covered more in the news. Could it be because it was on Slick Willie's watch?

The PC crap is like a cancer. Political correctness is one reason this type of thing is happening. We must racial profile when it come to terrorism. We must checkout these Muslim masques to find out what is happening in them. We must wire tap suspected terrorist.

Being PC is going to cause this country great harm!
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Originally posted by Shoals Lover:
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The United States Army and other U.S. intelligence services failed to detect the presence of an al Qaeda operative within their ranks named Ali Mohamed.

For years, A.M. was a member of the U.S. Army's elite Special Forces and trained at Ft. Bragg and other locations throughout the United States and overseas.

During his stint in the Army, he travelled overseas and actively participated in the training of al Qaeda terrorists with training manuals stolen from U.S. Army facilities, some of which were classified as "Secret."

After his enlistment in the Army was completed, he then became an FBI informant, and later worked for the CIA.

All the while, he was never suspected of, nor investigated for involvement with al Qaeda or terrorist networks.

Who should be indicted and tried, and heads proverbially placed upon a platter for abysmally failing their mission and the American people?

Responsibility rests at the top.

Ali Mohamed, while a sergeant in the U.S. Army's Special Forces,
  • stole training manuals,

    and trained
  • bin Laden's body guards,
  • al Qaeda terrorists in Afghanistan and the Sudan,

    then
  • worked for the CIA 15 years as an informant,
  • later for the FBI,
all the while concealing his al Qaeda involvement.

He also
  • helped import bin Laden's chief deputy, Ayman al-Zawahiri, to the San Francisco Bay Area on a covert fund-raising mission; and
  • planned the 1998 bombing of the U.S. Embassy in Nairobi,
where more than 200 people were killed.

http://usinfo.state.gov/is/Archive_Index/Ali_Mohamed.html

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22ali+mohamed&btnG=Google+Search


I am going to apologise for bringing this back up, but it fits with some of the other information that is being bandied about. The historical perspective has to be considered in this TRUE accounting of Ali Mohammed and his CIA and Military Connections, and HIS INVOLVEMENT WITH OSAMA BIN LADEN. If you check the dates carefully, you will note that Mohammed was working with and helping protect Bin Laden in 88 and 89. DURING THAT PERIOD THE UNITED STATES WAS DOING THE SAME THING, AND HAD BEEN FOR SOME TIME. Bin Laden and the Taliban in Afghanistan were AMERICAN CLIENTS DURING THE SOVIET OCCUPATION OF AFGHANISTAN. Some of what we are seeing today is blow back from the confrontations of the Cold war. That may be over, but the international ripples are still being felt. READ THE LINKS.
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Originally posted by interventor:
This is serious stuff. But, one more time, the mudje did not include al-Qaeda until late in the war with the USSR. They took the glory from the real fighters -- who resented and still resent it.


I doubt that is true...unless the Taliban, which we supported took the nation against the will of a large part of the nation.

First, the Soviets were opposed as invaders by virtually all of the people in the country.
Second, the Taliban was in control of the country without armed resistance.
Third, Bin Laden was identified as the Commander in Chief of the Taliban Armed Forces, and a Month before 9/11 pakistani and other newspapers in the region reported bin Laden was the Secretary of Defense inside the Taliban Government.
Al Qaeda was an integral part of the Taliban Government of Afghanistan. THAT, IS CONFIRMABLE.

google The Nation, Pakistan, Bin Laden.
I want to add this to the above, THE WAR IN AFGHANISTAN IS LEGITIMATE, BUT NOT PROPERLY PRESENTED BY THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION. WE SHOULD BE DEPLOYING OUR FORCES IN IRAQ TO AFGHANISTAN TO FINISH THE JOB OF NATION BUILDING WE ABANDONED THERE TO INVADE IRAQ.

Bush WANTED IRAQ, 9/11 GAVE HIM A VERY WEAK CAUSES BELI TO TAKE IRAQ, BUT HE IS STILL USING IT, AND IT IS STILL WEAK AT BEST.
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Originally posted by Shoals Lover:
{edit title & add facts}

The United States Army and other U.S. intelligence services failed to detect the presence of an al Qaeda operative within their ranks named Ali Mohamed.

For years, A.M. was a member of the U.S. Army's elite Special Forces and trained at Ft. Bragg and other locations throughout the United States and overseas.

During his stint in the Army, he travelled overseas and actively participated in the training of al Qaeda terrorists with training manuals stolen from U.S. Army facilities, some of which were classified as "Secret."

After his enlistment in the Army was completed, he then became an FBI informant, and later worked for the CIA.

All the while, he was never suspected of, nor investigated for involvement with al Qaeda or terrorist networks.

Who should be indicted and tried, and heads proverbially placed upon a platter for abysmally failing their mission and the American people?

Responsibility rests at the top.

Ali Mohamed, while a sergeant in the U.S. Army's Special Forces,
  • stole training manuals,

    and trained
  • bin Laden's body guards,
  • al Qaeda terrorists in Afghanistan and the Sudan,

    then
  • worked for the CIA 15 years as an informant,
  • later for the FBI,
all the while concealing his al Qaeda involvement.

He also
  • helped import bin Laden's chief deputy, Ayman al-Zawahiri, to the San Francisco Bay Area on a covert fund-raising mission; and
  • planned the 1998 bombing of the U.S. Embassy in Nairobi,
where more than 200 people were killed.

http://usinfo.state.gov/is/Archive_Index/Ali_Mohamed.html

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22ali+mohamed&btnG=Google+Search




Yes, I had heard about him. I have been following this, somewhat, since the first WTC bombing and even before when an al Qaeda guy from Pakistan shot up the parking lot of the CIA around 1989 or somewhere around there. Also the right wing Israeli racist, Mier Khane's murder in New York, also in late 80's or early 90's.

Some claim he is proof that the CIA created and control al Qaeda, but I don't think so. Why go through all the trouble? Making camps and the Taliban and all.

The article does state the reason they are attacking us is to drive us, and the West, from the region. They also want to overthrow our puppets in the region, like Mubarek in Egypt and Hussein in Jordan, and Kuwait and others but they also want to overthrow all the governments and create Fundamentalist Islamic States. They are also at War with Assad in Syria and Iran.

The right wing claim they are attacking us because they "hate freedom" and want us all to convert. Al Qaeda are not coming here to conquer us and the majority of the Arab and Muslim people want no part of them anyway.

I have never really heard of a connection between al Qaeda and Sheik Rahman in Egypt. He is the blind cleric they framed for the first WTC bombing, although he did have a member of al Qaeda close to him. in his inner circle. it's pretty confusing sometimes.

The idea, plans and bombs for the first WTC bombing were supplied by a former Egyptian intellignece officer named Salem. It was a set up. He was also reporting the plans and developments of the plot to the FBI.

Here's were it gets really confusing. Just before the bombing the FBI dropped him claiming he was a con man. Who knows what that means?

Radham lead the Egyptian fundamentalist movement but as far as I know they were only interested in overthrowing Mubarek, establishing an Islamic State and creating a fairer and more just society between Egypt's rich and poor. There is tremendous pverty and corruption in Egypt. Radman did have Islamic charities that helped the poor but he led attacks on westerners in Egypt also. The civil rights attorney Lynn Steward was defending Radman and was accused of passing secrets to his followers. Actually she violated an agreement with the jail that she would not contact the group in any way but she openly held a press conference and read Radman's statement to his followers that he questioned the government of Egypt's sincerity in it's peace talks. I am sure you have heard of her. The media labeled her a terrorist too.

Also I never heard of a connection between al Qaeda and the Palestinian group Islamic Jihad either. Hamas as well as the Palestinian Authority, Fatah and all reject al Qaeda. Israeli spin is always trying to connect them in some way. The Palestinians are only interested in freeing Palestine from Israeli occupation and some, like Hamas, do not recognioze the UN or Europe's right to give their land away to Europen Jews to create Israel. They believe in a one state, with equal rights for all. But Hamas also believes in an Islamic State but has said, so far anyway, that they would never try to force it upon the people but the people must chose it.

I don't know if Islmic Jihad ever had or has connections to al Qaeda. I doubt it but do not know for sure. But I doubt it.

I don't think the CIA control bin Laden or al Qaeda, but I do know that we have agents inside it spying on them as do Saudi Arabia and Pakistan and probably Israel as well. They almost got bin Laden right after 9/11 but the helicopter crashed in an ice storm.

Al Qaeda do have cells and connections in Indonesia and other countries though.
Taliban came into existance in Afghanistan in 1996.

USSR troops left Afghanistan in 1989.

My small group class just did a staff discussion on the 1979-1989 USSR occupation of Afghanistan, and some of the post 1989 results.....

More than happy to present some of our discussion points and historical data to all, except EdEKit....I have no business with those who deliberately insult and smear and slander, something EdEKit does alot on this board.
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Originally posted by Brentenman:
Taliban came into existance in Afghanistan in 1996.

USSR troops left Afghanistan in 1989.

My small group class just did a staff discussion on the 1979-1989 USSR occupation of Afghanistan, and some of the post 1989 results.....

More than happy to present some of our discussion points and historical data to all, except EdEKit....I have no business with those who deliberately insult and smear and slander, something EdEKit does alot on this board.


Can't argue with your historical data..BUT I can argue with the position held by Osama Bin Laden in the INSURGENCY against Soviet Occupation of Afghanistan, and Bin Ladens subsequent rise to power within the Taliban governemnt in that country. "The Nation" a Pakistani newspaper reported in January of 2001 that Bin Laden was Commander in Chief of ALL Taliban armed forces. Bin Laden was instrumental in the insurgency atainst the Soviets, TO THE POINT THAT Pravda called him the MOST DANGEROUS TERRORIST ON EARTH. And had been calling him that for years before the bombings of American Embassies in Africa.

Robin Cook, of Guardian Unlimited, "Bin Laden was, though, a product of a monumental miscalculation by western security agencies. Throughout the 80s he was armed by the CIA and funded by the Saudis to wage jihad against the Russian occupation of Afghanistan. Al-Qaida, literally "the database", was originally the computer file of the thousands of mujahideen who were recruited and trained with help from the CIA to defeat the Russians."

Cook's claim is disputed by some, supported by others.

Al Qaeda did not exist prior to 1988, but Bin Laden did.

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