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I do not think that guns should be allowed in a workplace. I think that it will be more killings and more people getting hurt. The things that are going on now a days, having guns in the workplace would make people pull a gun every time they got angry at someone. It is enough shootings now without guns in workplaces. I do not think that we need this.

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Originally Posted by LAL:

I do not think that guns should be allowed in a workplace. I think that it will be more killings and more people getting hurt. The things that are going on now a days, having guns in the workplace would make people pull a gun every time they got angry at someone. It is enough shootings now without guns in workplaces. I do not think that we need this.

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What kind of workplace? Is this something that's being considered & I missed the annoucement? Who said we needed it? The majority of people doesn't kill someone every time they get angry.

You let someone try to harm me or mine, break into my home, or whatever & that gun comes out of my handbag. (and yes, I have a permit to carry it) 

Originally Posted by LAL:

I do not think that guns should be allowed in a workplace. I think that it will be more killings and more people getting hurt. The things that are going on now a days, having guns in the workplace would make people pull a gun every time they got angry at someone. It is enough shootings now without guns in workplaces. I do not think that we need this.

You must have an irrational fear of guns. The law proposed won't make it a Wild West Saloon at the nearest Walmart. Employees will be responsible for keeping their firearm secured. Archie Bunker said it best in his spiel about gun control. "Would it make you feel any better, little girl, if they was pushed out of windows?"

Hmm...I agree with LAL some on this one...but....

 

I say free unlimited ammo for everybody-just like in a Peckinpah movie, a PSA broadcast for a week to give everybody else a heads-up, and then just let the carnage run it's course.

Soon the area will be a much nicer, safer place to live-as long as there are no more informal bible-quoting contests...

 

source: Montgomery Advertiser, AP

July 19, 1996

In Dadeville, Alabama, Mr. Gabel Taylor, 38, who had just prevailed in an informal Bible-quoting contest, was shot to death by the loser.

 

Put these short fuses with guns in the workplace where everything pretty much already sucks, and you've got a recipe for mousetrap fission! YEEEHAAAWWWW!! Everybody dies!

 

Last edited by Road Puppy
Originally Posted by LAL:

I do not think that guns should be allowed in a workplace. I think that it will be more killings and more people getting hurt. The things that are going on now a days, having guns in the workplace would make people pull a gun every time they got angry at someone. It is enough shootings now without guns in workplaces. I do not think that we need this.


If you can't have a gun at your workplace you are being denied your second amendment rights. In addition to denying your right to bear arms at the workplace your employer is also taking away your  second amendment rights away from the work place because you won't be able to carry a weapon in your vehicle going to and from work which leaves very little time for a working person to be able to carry a weapon.

Originally Posted by Gingee:
 


If you can't have a gun at your workplace you are being denied your second amendment rights. In addition to denying your right to bear arms at the workplace your employer is also taking away your  second amendment rights away from the work place because you won't be able to carry a weapon in your vehicle going to and from work which leaves very little time for a working person to be able to carry a weapon.

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If you need to carry your gun to work, you're either a soldier, a cop, or a convenience/liquor store clerk. anybody else is just deathly afraid of everybody in the cube farm/factory floor. What a crappy job you must have!

 

Either that or somebody who doesn't feel....erm....'potent' enough unless they're carrying death in their pocket.

 

 

I've never, ever felt the need to exercise my second amendment right at work or in public. No matter where I was.

 

Wonder why that is......

Originally Posted by Crash.Override:

what kind of job, other than police officers and the like, is so dangerous, you need firearms? come on people ... this is absolutely ignorant!


Some of us have to drive through bad parts of town on our way to and from  work.  We don't need the weapon at work.  We just need a legal place to store it while we are working.

Crash that is the point. This legislation allows people to carry their guns to work discreetly without fear of termination if it is discovered. That is all. Bad things happen all of the time. Take these recent school shootings and workplace mass murders. Wouldn't it be nice to have someone there to stop the evil person killing someone's family members before they really get started. I'm all for responsible, well practiced gun owners carrying a concealed weapon.

Originally Posted by wright35633:

 I'm all for responsible, well practiced gun owners carrying a concealed weapon.

And there is the problem. The ease of obtaining a CCW in AL is a joke. A neg NCIC check, fill out the form and pay the fee. It took me about 15 mins.

No training, range qualification or any kind of proficiency demonstration is required. You don't even have to know how to load/unloard the weapon much less have any active shooter in crowded  areas training. There is a very good chance innocent people could wind up dead. Can you imagine some well meaning CCW carrier opening fire in a restaurant, store or bank with NO training?

 

I'm all for CCWs but there should be some degree of required training. Just saying "I've been shooting all my life doesn't count".

Originally Posted by wright35633:  
Originally Posted by LAL:

I do not think that guns should be allowed in a workplace. I think that it will be more killings and more people getting hurt. The things that are going on now a days, having guns in the workplace would make people pull a gun every time they got angry at someone. It is enough shootings now without guns in workplaces. I do not think that we need this.

You must have an irrational fear of guns. The law proposed won't make it a Wild West Saloon at the nearest Walmart. Employees will be responsible for keeping their firearm secured. Archie Bunker said it best in his spiel about gun control. "Would it make you feel any better, little girl, if they was pushed out of windows?"

I got your little girl, Wright.  I did not say that I didn't believe in carrying a gun, I have a 38 special, but I keep it in my car. I have a taser that I carry on me. If you gave a business, or you are a cop, yea, but I do not think that it is a smart ideal to carry a gun inside the workplace. Some employee will be responsible, but what about the other 99% of them. You can keep it in your car. Would it make me feel better if they were pushed out of windows or if I pushed you out the window? Tuff question.

Originally Posted by Road Puppy:
Originally Posted by Gingee:
 


If you can't have a gun at your workplace you are being denied your second amendment rights. In addition to denying your right to bear arms at the workplace your employer is also taking away your  second amendment rights away from the work place because you won't be able to carry a weapon in your vehicle going to and from work which leaves very little time for a working person to be able to carry a weapon.

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If you need to carry your gun to work, you're either a soldier, a cop, or a convenience/liquor store clerk. anybody else is just deathly afraid of everybody in the cube farm/factory floor. What a crappy job you must have!

 

Either that or somebody who doesn't feel....erm....'potent' enough unless they're carrying death in their pocket.

 

 

I've never, ever felt the need to exercise my second amendment right at work or in public. No matter where I was.

 

Wonder why that is......

I think you missed the point road kill, the point was by being denied your right to bear arms at work you are being denied your right away from work. And by the way I'm plenty potent enough.

Unless you have a permit to carry you CANNOT legally transport your gun back and forth to your workplace.

 

Now, let me ask you this. How many times have those of you who work in a retail or office environment that serves the public heard an employee say "should I get my gun?" just because someone present raised their voice?

 

Most retail establishments teach how to defuse an angry customer. It's good for everyone to know.

 

As for a business dictating whether guns can be present or not, are you saying if I own a business I cannot dictate the policy to my employees? How about alcohol? Tobacco? Cocaine? Remember the first two are sold legally.

Originally Posted by Gingee:
 

I think you missed the point road kill, the point was by being denied your right to bear arms at work you are being denied your right away from work. And by the way I'm plenty potent enough.

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How rude! Why do you refer to Road Puppy as "road kill"?

 

How in the world do you think anyone being denied the right to carry a gun to work is being denied to carry one away from work???

 

BTW, does Billy know you're posting elsewhere?

 

Originally Posted by wright35633:

Crash that is the point. This legislation allows people to carry their guns to work discreetly without fear of termination if it is discovered. That is all. Bad things happen all of the time. Take these recent school shootings and workplace mass murders. Wouldn't it be nice to have someone there to stop the evil person killing someone's family members before they really get started. I'm all for responsible, well practiced gun owners carrying a concealed weapon.

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I think it would have been better if the nutcases who came into the schools and workplaces had been checked before they bought their guns and found wanting and not allowed to get them.

If someone "stops' them after they have killed 2 or 3 people, that's too late.

I am very mixed on this issue. I can see both sides. Although I don't think I'd want to work around people who are carrying. Too many times people get angry or mad and resort to violence and if the gun is thrown into the equation and is available then you know what is going to happen. I'm not saying all who carry guns are like this. I'm saying that we see this all the time in our society. Where somebody gets shot and dies over something trivial and stupid.

 

Again, I can see both sides of the coin though. It's a very sensitive issue and I'm just not sure where I stand yet. 

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Sez Gingee: "And by the way I'm plenty potent enough."

 

Heh. I figured some guy would say that. You just made my point for me.

*And just in case somebody doesn't believe you, you've got a shiny metal compensator in your pocket to prove the point, eh?* The connotations are endless.

 

I listen to the scanner all the time-I hear all the 'shots fired' calls-and then sometimes the reasons for those shots being fired, either on the radio or in the news-and it occurs to me that those guys (and it's usually the guys) who are shooting each other have been arguing about something.

Knowing this fact-it seems that it doesn't take long for them to 'run outta talent (words)' before they start slinging lead.

Maybe if the education system worked better, or people took advantage of it better-there would be more words to go around so people could communicate more effectively so they wouldn't have to shoot each other.

Doesn't one of the tenets of the christian religion (which pretty much everybody around here is an adherent to) dictate that "Thou Shalt Not Kill?"

What is that particular religion's penalty for that? Does it even matter to anybody what it is?

I wouldn't think so going by all the 'shots fired' calls I hear.

Maybe that's why everybody is apparently so afraid of each other around here.....They just don't know enough words....Or maybe they just don't have the patience or self-control to actually use them if they DO know enough words.

For somebody like me who isn't from around here and didn't spend his whole life immersed in gun culture-it sure seems weird, this 'need' to be armed all the time. I've never lived anywhere where people have to carry firearms and warn each other that they're armed all the time...'Tis strange to me.

No wonder there's so many layers of law enforcement and a church on every corner.....Lots of "Thou Shalt Not" and "Oops! I already did!"

A little self-control and consideration for the other the other guy goes a long way. That and I figure if you're not a colossal a -hole, there's a good chance nobody's gonna want to shoot you.

Always worked for me.

/shrug

j land (I hope I read that right):

You say you drive through bad parts of town....
How many slugs have you ever had ping off of your car while you were driving there? Just curious. Do you usually have to come home from work and wash the car and dig the slugs out of the bodywork?
If you ever had to stop there-how many times have you ever been accosted by armed individuals? Again, just curious.
Did it ever occur to you that while you are driving in these bad parts that you are sitting in a pretty powerful vehicle that can move away from any danger much faster than any man can run?
Did you know that that vehicle weighs anywhere from one to four tons depending on what type/size vehicle it is? It's already a pretty effective armored weapon.
Did you also know that very many individuals would find it to be way too much like work and obviously fruitless to attack a moving vehicle with or without a firearm?
Just because the light that you're stopped at is red doesn't necessarily mean you absolutely have to stay stopped at it if somebody is standing at your window with a gun demanding that you get out of the vehicle? (as in, "F*#% this s#!*! I'm outta here!). I'd rather take the chance of paying a red light ticket than get shot... Besides, under the circumstances-a LEO prolly would understand the reasoning for running it.

I'd think it'd be kind of pointless for anybody to shoot at a fleeing vehicle....At least I wouldn't waste the time doing it. The whole idea of accosting somebody at gunpoint is to quickly and effectively facilitate the crime without attracting too much attention to oneself. If it was me and somebody took off-I'd prolly let that one go and try again later somewhere else. That just would make good sense. Kinda like stepping two feet to one side to avoid being hit by a train.

Seeweed sez: " Take these recent school shootings and workplace mass murders. Wouldn't it be nice to have someone there to stop the evil person killing someone's family members before they really get started."

Well, that's a noble thought, but in reality it doesn't actually work that way. I've seen smaller scale versions of that scenario and it doesn't *ever* work that way.
See, the pee'd-off/unstable/nutjob armed and prepared guy already has an idea what is going to happen. He's prepared-you're not. Everybody likes to think that they'd be John Wayne or Dirty Harry or some other noteable vigilante character in a situation like that but it really doesn't happen that way because the element of surprise trumps firepower *EVERY/SINGLE/TIME*
He's ready-You're not.
Oh sure, you might pull your weapon and fire in his general direction because it's not like in the backyard or the range where everything's nice and controlled and well lit and you've got time to line up and breathe and pick your targets....No, it's going to be mass pandemonium and maybe dark and all hell is going to be breaking loose...
Are you even sure where the shot(s) came from? You better be.
Provided you have a clear line of fire-momentarily in the chaos-are you sure that you can effectively hit your target without collateral damage? Do you honestly think the shooter is going to fear you and your gun? Hell no-he's going to be blazing away at you next and he doesn't really care who's in the way because his intent was to kill people anyway...

Too many John Waynes in a confined space is usually a bad thing. (See the 'Mousetrap fission' above).

As for being accosted individually, Think about it. You're walking down a street and a guy walks up to you and puts a gun to your head and demands something.
Do you even dare try to reach for your piece? Not unless you're an idiot you won't, and the guy is not only going to take what he wants, he's also going to relieve you of your firearm as well.

Why? Because he had the element of surprise on his side. He got the drop on you. Surprise trumps firepower EVERY/SINGLE/TIME.
You're only fooling yourself if you think otherwise. Even police officers at gunpoint will comply to stay alive-until the guy with the gun makes a mistake that they can take advantage of to turn the situation around as they've been trained to do.

Most of you don't have that training and would end up a no-wallet-walking-down-the-street-but-happy-to-be-alive-no-gun-motherf%$&*er.

I call that a bargain.

 

Now before you all start piling on me for being a liberal anti-gun tree-hugging hippie or something-lemme say that I'm not anti-gun. I've carried and used one during a former occupation and I've used guns for sport. I have no problem with guns.
What I have a problem with is insecure, unstable jerks with guns. I have an even bigger problem with insecure, unstable jerks with guns all together in a place where I might be working. Friction happens sometimes at work-and I hope that the guy who has a problem with me knows enough words and posesses enough self-discipline to keep from 'popping off' at the slightest hint of a problem...

Handguns DO kill people (That's their only purpose) and people with guns are more likley to become targets than those who aren't armed.
Watch any war movie or cops-and-bad guys shootout flick....The first things to take out are the things that are possible threats. The unarmed folks who are running the other way are of little threat or concern.

Like I've said before-Soldiers and cops are the exception. It's their job to run toward a harmful situation and secure it while everybody else is running the other way. That's different. They're specifically trained to recognize the sheep from the wolves.

But if you work in a place where you gotta worry about somebody shooting you or threatening you-well, if I was you I'd seriously consider changing jobs or getting a transfer away from the OK Corral...



Seriously, people...
Are you THAT afraid?
Or is it really a 'compensation' issue?

As somebody who has gone through life so far without needing to carry a firearm at all-This is new stuff to me and I'm just curious.

 I am not one to promote the use of guns anywhere, but I would take comfort knowing that if there were some deranged person to start shooting for whatever reason, that there would at least be a law abiding citizen in presence to even the odds up to at least put an end to the violence.

This makes me want to be armed myself. I am sure you don't ever intend to be armed with only a knife at a gun fight!

The outlaws are going to have a gun whether it be legal or not. Someone who follows the law may very well not take his/her gun to a place where they are told not to.

Originally Posted by Road Puppy:

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Sez Gingee: "And by the way I'm plenty potent enough."

 

Heh. I figured some guy would say that. You just made my point for me.

*And just in case somebody doesn't believe you, you've got a shiny metal compensator in your pocket to prove the point, eh?* The connotations are endless.

 

I listen to the scanner all the time-I hear all the 'shots fired' calls-and then sometimes the reasons for those shots being fired, either on the radio or in the news-and it occurs to me that those guys (and it's usually the guys) who are shooting each other have been arguing about something.

Knowing this fact-it seems that it doesn't take long for them to 'run outta talent (words)' before they start slinging lead.

Maybe if the education system worked better, or people took advantage of it better-there would be more words to go around so people could communicate more effectively so they wouldn't have to shoot each other.

Doesn't one of the tenets of the christian religion (which pretty much everybody around here is an adherent to) dictate that "Thou Shalt Not Kill?"

What is that particular religion's penalty for that? Does it even matter to anybody what it is?

I wouldn't think so going by all the 'shots fired' calls I hear.

Maybe that's why everybody is apparently so afraid of each other around here.....They just don't know enough words....Or maybe they just don't have the patience or self-control to actually use them if they DO know enough words.

For somebody like me who isn't from around here and didn't spend his whole life immersed in gun culture-it sure seems weird, this 'need' to be armed all the time. I've never lived anywhere where people have to carry firearms and warn each other that they're armed all the time...'Tis strange to me.

No wonder there's so many layers of law enforcement and a church on every corner.....Lots of "Thou Shalt Not" and "Oops! I already did!"

A little self-control and consideration for the other the other guy goes a long way. That and I figure if you're not a colossal a -hole, there's a good chance nobody's gonna want to shoot you.

Always worked for me.

/shrug

j land (I hope I read that right):

You say you drive through bad parts of town....
How many slugs have you ever had ping off of your car while you were driving there? Just curious. Do you usually have to come home from work and wash the car and dig the slugs out of the bodywork?
If you ever had to stop there-how many times have you ever been accosted by armed individuals? Again, just curious.
Did it ever occur to you that while you are driving in these bad parts that you are sitting in a pretty powerful vehicle that can move away from any danger much faster than any man can run?
Did you know that that vehicle weighs anywhere from one to four tons depending on what type/size vehicle it is? It's already a pretty effective armored weapon.
Did you also know that very many individuals would find it to be way too much like work and obviously fruitless to attack a moving vehicle with or without a firearm?
Just because the light that you're stopped at is red doesn't necessarily mean you absolutely have to stay stopped at it if somebody is standing at your window with a gun demanding that you get out of the vehicle? (as in, "F*#% this s#!*! I'm outta here!). I'd rather take the chance of paying a red light ticket than get shot... Besides, under the circumstances-a LEO prolly would understand the reasoning for running it.

I'd think it'd be kind of pointless for anybody to shoot at a fleeing vehicle....At least I wouldn't waste the time doing it. The whole idea of accosting somebody at gunpoint is to quickly and effectively facilitate the crime without attracting too much attention to oneself. If it was me and somebody took off-I'd prolly let that one go and try again later somewhere else. That just would make good sense. Kinda like stepping two feet to one side to avoid being hit by a train.

Seeweed sez: " Take these recent school shootings and workplace mass murders. Wouldn't it be nice to have someone there to stop the evil person killing someone's family members before they really get started."

Well, that's a noble thought, but in reality it doesn't actually work that way. I've seen smaller scale versions of that scenario and it doesn't *ever* work that way.
See, the pee'd-off/unstable/nutjob armed and prepared guy already has an idea what is going to happen. He's prepared-you're not. Everybody likes to think that they'd be John Wayne or Dirty Harry or some other noteable vigilante character in a situation like that but it really doesn't happen that way because the element of surprise trumps firepower *EVERY/SINGLE/TIME*
He's ready-You're not.
Oh sure, you might pull your weapon and fire in his general direction because it's not like in the backyard or the range where everything's nice and controlled and well lit and you've got time to line up and breathe and pick your targets....No, it's going to be mass pandemonium and maybe dark and all hell is going to be breaking loose...
Are you even sure where the shot(s) came from? You better be.
Provided you have a clear line of fire-momentarily in the chaos-are you sure that you can effectively hit your target without collateral damage? Do you honestly think the shooter is going to fear you and your gun? Hell no-he's going to be blazing away at you next and he doesn't really care who's in the way because his intent was to kill people anyway...

Too many John Waynes in a confined space is usually a bad thing. (See the 'Mousetrap fission' above).

As for being accosted individually, Think about it. You're walking down a street and a guy walks up to you and puts a gun to your head and demands something.
Do you even dare try to reach for your piece? Not unless you're an idiot you won't, and the guy is not only going to take what he wants, he's also going to relieve you of your firearm as well.

Why? Because he had the element of surprise on his side. He got the drop on you. Surprise trumps firepower EVERY/SINGLE/TIME.
You're only fooling yourself if you think otherwise. Even police officers at gunpoint will comply to stay alive-until the guy with the gun makes a mistake that they can take advantage of to turn the situation around as they've been trained to do.

Most of you don't have that training and would end up a no-wallet-walking-down-the-street-but-happy-to-be-alive-no-gun-motherf%$&*er.

I call that a bargain.

 

Now before you all start piling on me for being a liberal anti-gun tree-hugging hippie or something-lemme say that I'm not anti-gun. I've carried and used one during a former occupation and I've used guns for sport. I have no problem with guns.
What I have a problem with is insecure, unstable jerks with guns. I have an even bigger problem with insecure, unstable jerks with guns all together in a place where I might be working. Friction happens sometimes at work-and I hope that the guy who has a problem with me knows enough words and posesses enough self-discipline to keep from 'popping off' at the slightest hint of a problem...

Handguns DO kill people (That's their only purpose) and people with guns are more likley to become targets than those who aren't armed.
Watch any war movie or cops-and-bad guys shootout flick....The first things to take out are the things that are possible threats. The unarmed folks who are running the other way are of little threat or concern.

Like I've said before-Soldiers and cops are the exception. It's their job to run toward a harmful situation and secure it while everybody else is running the other way. That's different. They're specifically trained to recognize the sheep from the wolves.

But if you work in a place where you gotta worry about somebody shooting you or threatening you-well, if I was you I'd seriously consider changing jobs or getting a transfer away from the OK Corral...



Seriously, people...
Are you THAT afraid?
Or is it really a 'compensation' issue?

As somebody who has gone through life so far without needing to carry a firearm at all-This is new stuff to me and I'm just curious.

I tried to read your whole post but it was too long for me. I understand you are from somewhere else so I'll fill you in on a few southern principles. We here in the south for the most part believe in the right to bear arms just as the law allows us to do. Anyone who carries a weapon does so with the blessing of our government as long as he/she has a permit. I don't know where you came from but if you have a problem with this law you need to go back to where ever you came from because as long as you are here in the "Heart of Dixie" you will either get use to it or you will continue to whine.

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First-don't take this the wrong way, Gus. I'm not trying to be a chooch here, OK? What little I know of you, I respect, but all the NRA catchphrases aside-What are even odds? What good are they anyway? What if the shooter decides you or the other armed, law-abiding citizen is the first target?
Whether the guy doing the initial shooting knows you're armed or not-One death is too many.
If the other armed guy is the one death-the odds are back in the shooter's favor.
So the odds are more like 50/50 no matter how yo`u look at it and somebody's going to lose no matter what, and chances are good it's not going to be the bad guy first.
Surprise and all....

Why/is/everyone/afraid/of/everyone/else?
How often have you ever had to 'be the hero' at a gunfight? Ever?

How likely does it look that you're going to have to 'be the hero?'

How likely do you think it is that-even though you might be armed-that you won't be one of the first casualties?
The shooter's first target will be the person(s) he has a problem with-THEN it will be any other threats.
If you are not the only law-abiding armed person there-how can you be sure that the other armed citizen won't mistake YOU for the problem?

These are things that ya hafta consider.

Suppose a nutjob does start capping folks at a workplace....You are busy doing your job when it happens-you probably will be surprised as all getout initially and probably won't know where the shot came from....and even if you are-the shooter is concentrating on finding possible threats to his 'mission' and he'll for sure see you reaching....You won't have time. He'll get you, too if you reach. You've got something to lose. He has nothing to lose at this point and is willing to sacrifice his freedom and possibly his life already. He's prepared-you're not. He already knows what is going to happen one way or the other and has accepted it.

I guess the question is, do ya feel lucky?

Unless you're trained in target selection and how and when to react, you're going to be just like everybody else only you'll more than likely be part of the problem. Apparently whether you bring a knife or a gun to a gunfight is irrelevant...Seems like the point is-people are always spoiling for a fight.


@Gingee:

I expected that from you. Stock southern response. Your type is so predictable.

Heh. You ran outta words AND THEY WERE WRITTEN RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU. So...lack of patience, or self-control? Which malfunction is your particular one?

So....How long does it take before you start 'popping off?' Remind me never to be around you and the last two beers.

EL-OH-EL.

I dunno....I just don't get the fear that motivates everybody around here to carry guns all the time. By the sound of their warning and bragging-ya'd think they couldn't take a shower without one.

 

 

Whatever.

/shrug again

Gingee, you found RP's post too long to read, but didn't mind quoting the whole thing? I read it and found it very on point.

 

As for us in the South, there are some who can read. There are even some who have read the Constitution and the first ten amendments. Since I am not a member or an organized militia, I don't seem to have rights to "carry a gun."

 

No, RP, there are some of us, both male and female, who know the gun was invented for the sole purpose to kill or maim. It may be sexist, but look around. Who champion the use of guns more, women or men? Now tell us it's not a phallic symbol...

Originally Posted by Kate Colombo:

Gingee, you found RP's post too long to read, but didn't mind quoting the whole thing? I read it and found it very on point.

 

As for us in the South, there are some who can read. There are even some who have read the Constitution and the first ten amendments. Since I am not a member or an organized militia, I don't seem to have rights to "carry a gun."

 

No, RP, there are some of us, both male and female, who know the gun was invented for the sole purpose to kill or maim. It may be sexist, but look around. Who champion the use of guns more, women or men? Now tell us it's not a phallic symbol...

 

Heheh. I'm not challenging that logic one itty bitty bit, Kate.

 

 

That was one of my main points! 

 

Gingee, you couldn't read Pup's "long" post as you called it but have no problem reading Bill Grays? Pup's post is more interesting & makes much more sense than Bill's.

Why is his opinion considered whining?

 

Pup, I don't carry a handgun in my handbag all the time. If I'm out at night alone, I have it. If I'm out of town alone, I carry it. I never let anyone know that I even have it on me.

 

BTW, I understand your opinion & agree with alot of it.

 

 

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:

Gingee, you couldn't read Pup's "long" post as you called it but have no problem reading Bill Grays? Pup's post is more interesting & makes much more sense than Bill's.

Why is his opinion considered whining?

 

Pup, I don't carry a handgun in my handbag all the time. If I'm out at night alone, I have it. If I'm out of town alone, I carry it. I never let anyone know that I even have it on me.

 

BTW, I understand your opinion & agree with alot of it.

 

Can you REALLY not post without mentioning "Billy" or "Bill", or "Bill Gray"? You probably should see a shrink about that. Or sleep with him....(thats for the shrink to sort out...) 

 

This obsession can now be measured in YEARS. Sheesh...!

 

 

Originally Posted by Road Puppy:

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Sez Gingee: "And by the way I'm plenty potent enough."

 

Heh. I figured some guy would say that. You just made my point for me.

*And just in case somebody doesn't believe you, you've got a shiny metal compensator in your pocket to prove the point, eh?* The connotations are endless.

 

I listen to the scanner all the time-I hear all the 'shots fired' calls-and then sometimes the reasons for those shots being fired, either on the radio or in the news-and it occurs to me that those guys (and it's usually the guys) who are shooting each other have been arguing about something.

Knowing this fact-it seems that it doesn't take long for them to 'run outta talent (words)' before they start slinging lead.

Maybe if the education system worked better, or people took advantage of it better-there would be more words to go around so people could communicate more effectively so they wouldn't have to shoot each other.

Doesn't one of the tenets of the christian religion (which pretty much everybody around here is an adherent to) dictate that "Thou Shalt Not Kill?"

What is that particular religion's penalty for that? Does it even matter to anybody what it is?

I wouldn't think so going by all the 'shots fired' calls I hear.

Maybe that's why everybody is apparently so afraid of each other around here.....They just don't know enough words....Or maybe they just don't have the patience or self-control to actually use them if they DO know enough words.

For somebody like me who isn't from around here and didn't spend his whole life immersed in gun culture-it sure seems weird, this 'need' to be armed all the time. I've never lived anywhere where people have to carry firearms and warn each other that they're armed all the time...'Tis strange to me.

No wonder there's so many layers of law enforcement and a church on every corner.....Lots of "Thou Shalt Not" and "Oops! I already did!"

A little self-control and consideration for the other the other guy goes a long way. That and I figure if you're not a colossal a -hole, there's a good chance nobody's gonna want to shoot you.

Always worked for me.

/shrug

j land (I hope I read that right):

You say you drive through bad parts of town....
How many slugs have you ever had ping off of your car while you were driving there? Just curious. Do you usually have to come home from work and wash the car and dig the slugs out of the bodywork?
If you ever had to stop there-how many times have you ever been accosted by armed individuals? Again, just curious.
Did it ever occur to you that while you are driving in these bad parts that you are sitting in a pretty powerful vehicle that can move away from any danger much faster than any man can run?
Did you know that that vehicle weighs anywhere from one to four tons depending on what type/size vehicle it is? It's already a pretty effective armored weapon.
Did you also know that very many individuals would find it to be way too much like work and obviously fruitless to attack a moving vehicle with or without a firearm?
Just because the light that you're stopped at is red doesn't necessarily mean you absolutely have to stay stopped at it if somebody is standing at your window with a gun demanding that you get out of the vehicle? (as in, "F*#% this s#!*! I'm outta here!). I'd rather take the chance of paying a red light ticket than get shot... Besides, under the circumstances-a LEO prolly would understand the reasoning for running it.

I'd think it'd be kind of pointless for anybody to shoot at a fleeing vehicle....At least I wouldn't waste the time doing it. The whole idea of accosting somebody at gunpoint is to quickly and effectively facilitate the crime without attracting too much attention to oneself. If it was me and somebody took off-I'd prolly let that one go and try again later somewhere else. That just would make good sense. Kinda like stepping two feet to one side to avoid being hit by a train.

Seeweed sez: " Take these recent school shootings and workplace mass murders. Wouldn't it be nice to have someone there to stop the evil person killing someone's family members before they really get started."

Well, that's a noble thought, but in reality it doesn't actually work that way. I've seen smaller scale versions of that scenario and it doesn't *ever* work that way.
See, the pee'd-off/unstable/nutjob armed and prepared guy already has an idea what is going to happen. He's prepared-you're not. Everybody likes to think that they'd be John Wayne or Dirty Harry or some other noteable vigilante character in a situation like that but it really doesn't happen that way because the element of surprise trumps firepower *EVERY/SINGLE/TIME*
He's ready-You're not.
Oh sure, you might pull your weapon and fire in his general direction because it's not like in the backyard or the range where everything's nice and controlled and well lit and you've got time to line up and breathe and pick your targets....No, it's going to be mass pandemonium and maybe dark and all hell is going to be breaking loose...
Are you even sure where the shot(s) came from? You better be.
Provided you have a clear line of fire-momentarily in the chaos-are you sure that you can effectively hit your target without collateral damage? Do you honestly think the shooter is going to fear you and your gun? Hell no-he's going to be blazing away at you next and he doesn't really care who's in the way because his intent was to kill people anyway...

Too many John Waynes in a confined space is usually a bad thing. (See the 'Mousetrap fission' above).

As for being accosted individually, Think about it. You're walking down a street and a guy walks up to you and puts a gun to your head and demands something.
Do you even dare try to reach for your piece? Not unless you're an idiot you won't, and the guy is not only going to take what he wants, he's also going to relieve you of your firearm as well.

Why? Because he had the element of surprise on his side. He got the drop on you. Surprise trumps firepower EVERY/SINGLE/TIME.
You're only fooling yourself if you think otherwise. Even police officers at gunpoint will comply to stay alive-until the guy with the gun makes a mistake that they can take advantage of to turn the situation around as they've been trained to do.

Most of you don't have that training and would end up a no-wallet-walking-down-the-street-but-happy-to-be-alive-no-gun-motherf%$&*er.

I call that a bargain.

 

Now before you all start piling on me for being a liberal anti-gun tree-hugging hippie or something-lemme say that I'm not anti-gun. I've carried and used one during a former occupation and I've used guns for sport. I have no problem with guns.
What I have a problem with is insecure, unstable jerks with guns. I have an even bigger problem with insecure, unstable jerks with guns all together in a place where I might be working. Friction happens sometimes at work-and I hope that the guy who has a problem with me knows enough words and posesses enough self-discipline to keep from 'popping off' at the slightest hint of a problem...

Handguns DO kill people (That's their only purpose) and people with guns are more likley to become targets than those who aren't armed.
Watch any war movie or cops-and-bad guys shootout flick....The first things to take out are the things that are possible threats. The unarmed folks who are running the other way are of little threat or concern.

Like I've said before-Soldiers and cops are the exception. It's their job to run toward a harmful situation and secure it while everybody else is running the other way. That's different. They're specifically trained to recognize the sheep from the wolves.

But if you work in a place where you gotta worry about somebody shooting you or threatening you-well, if I was you I'd seriously consider changing jobs or getting a transfer away from the OK Corral...



Seriously, people...
Are you THAT afraid?
Or is it really a 'compensation' issue?

As somebody who has gone through life so far without needing to carry a firearm at all-This is new stuff to me and I'm just curious.

No roadkill, the slugs don't ping off.  They go straight through.  If you don't want to carry a weapon that is fine with me.  I am thankful for my rights and exercise them.  You must like the first amendment, because you sure run that mouth. 

Originally Posted by j_land:
 

No roadkill, the slugs don't ping off.  They go straight through.  If you don't want to carry a weapon that is fine with me.  I am thankful for my rights and exercise them.  You must like the first amendment, because you sure run that mouth. 

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OH! I'M SORRY! DID I STAND ON A NERVE?

 

Aaaannnnd here's another one who apparently suffers from premature shootoff I wouldn't wanna get into a bible quoting contest with.

 

You must be driving one of those eastern-bloc soup can cars made of........soup cans if the slugs go right through.  LOL.

 

Your band-aid bill must be horrendous. 

 

With that attitude, your coworkers must just be thrilled to work with you.

No wonder you think you need to bring a gun to work.....

 

 

 

I rest my f*%&in' case.

 

:|

 

 

 

 

Last edited by Road Puppy
Originally Posted by Road Puppy:
Originally Posted by j_land:
 

No roadkill, the slugs don't ping off.  They go straight through.  If you don't want to carry a weapon that is fine with me.  I am thankful for my rights and exercise them.  You must like the first amendment, because you sure run that mouth. 

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OH! I'M SORRY! DID I STAND ON A NERVE?

 

Aaaannnnd here's another one who apparently suffers from premature shootoff I wouldn't wanna get into a bible quoting contest with.

 

You must be driving one of those eastern-bloc soup can cars made of........soup cans if the slugs go right through.  LOL.

 

Your band-aid bill must be horrendous. 

 

With that attitude, your coworkers must just be thrilled to work with you.

No wonder you think you need to bring a gun to work.....

 

 

 

I rest my f*%&in' case.

 

:|

 

 

Pup, you cannot be held accountable for your "view" with anyone who knows how Yankees think.

Just roll with it.

Keep your phone handy. When in peril, call a Cop.

They will surely get there "after the fact" 

 

psst...my "redneck" .45ACP will get there sooner.

 

Originally Posted by Roland Pfalz:
 

 

 

Pup, you cannot be held accountable for your "view" with anyone who knows how Yankees think.

Just roll with it.

Keep your phone handy. When in peril, call a Cop.

They will surely get there "after the fact" 

 

psst...my "redneck" .45ACP will get there sooner.



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Dangit man....will you make sense awready?!

 

So then, like, you can afford ammo this month??

Wow. Those checks DO get there quick.

I'm not worried about it.

No problem, mon!   I don't get 'in peril.'  

Originally Posted by Road Puppy:
Originally Posted by Roland Pfalz:
 

 

 

Pup, you cannot be held accountable for your "view" with anyone who knows how Yankees think.

Just roll with it.

Keep your phone handy. When in peril, call a Cop.

They will surely get there "after the fact" 

 

psst...my "redneck" .45ACP will get there sooner.



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Dangit man....will you make sense awready?!

 

So then, like, you can afford ammo this month??

Wow. Those checks DO get there quick.

I'm not worried about it.

No problem, mon!   I don't get 'in peril.'  

Yeah, just wait 'till one of those ****y Moms thinks you have slighted their kid...

They WILL come on tha' bus...

Originally Posted by Roland Pfalz:
Originally Posted by Road Puppy:
Originally Posted by Roland Pfalz:
 

 

 

Pup, you cannot be held accountable for your "view" with anyone who knows how Yankees think.

Just roll with it.

Keep your phone handy. When in peril, call a Cop.

They will surely get there "after the fact" 

 

psst...my "redneck" .45ACP will get there sooner.



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Dangit man....will you make sense awready?!

 

So then, like, you can afford ammo this month??

Wow. Those checks DO get there quick.

I'm not worried about it.

No problem, mon!   I don't get 'in peril.'  

Yeah, just wait 'till one of those ****y Moms thinks you have slighted their kid...

They WILL come on tha' bus...

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Heheh. Sonny you think I haven't dealt with crap like that before?

AND WE HAVE AIR POWERED SERVICE DOORS NOWADAYS!!!..

 

40lbs of 'whomp upside dey haid' in a split second.  Dat's like "A-WHOMP-BOMPA-LOOBOP' on the close cycle....and a 'WHOMP-BAM-BOOM' on the open cycle.

 

Dude. You ain't truly laughed yo butt off til you seen somebody momma's head stuck in an air door.

 

Originally Posted by Road Puppy:
 

"Dude. You ain't truly laughed yo butt off til you seen somebody momma's head stuck in an air door."

 

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*Goldang ten-minute editing window....*

 

 The look of surprise is priceless.

 

G'hed. Git DAT pitcher out ya noggin'.....Heh. I dare ya. LOL.

 

Originally Posted by RoadHawg:
 

Can you REALLY not post without mentioning "Billy" or "Bill", or "Bill Gray"? You probably should see a shrink about that. Or sleep with him....(thats for the shrink to sort out...) 

 

This obsession can now be measured in YEARS. Sheesh...! 

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There's no reason I need a shrink. I would have a problem with anyone that lies every time they post or pretends to be something they're not. You have a problem with my post? So Block me!  

And yes, I've made many post w/o mentioning our resident liar.

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