Alabama farmers ask Congress to protect subsidy aid cause they are unable to support themselves without a handout.
http://www.montgomeryadvertise...-protect-subsidy-aid
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Yeah, read all about this ripoff...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/...nteractives/farmaid/
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I feel like all farm subsidies should be abolished. If your business depends on government subsidies to survive then you have a poor business model.
quote:Originally posted by F350:
I feel like all farm subsidies should be abolished. If your business depends on government subsidies to survive then you have a poor business model.
Only if you wish to see the family farm disappear and the multinational owned mega-farms take their place. Something also would help the family farms is re-instituting the New Deal restrictions on Wall Street speculation of commodities.
quote:Originally posted by F350:
I feel like all farm subsidies should be abolished. If your business depends on government subsidies to survive then you have a poor business model.
I agree, the same goes for all the tax supported things like museums, parks, tv and radio stations, etc. If they can't survive on their own then there's not a need for them.
quote:Originally posted by seeweed:quote:Originally posted by F350:
I feel like all farm subsidies should be abolished. If your business depends on government subsidies to survive then you have a poor business model.
Only if you wish to see the family farm disappear and the multinational owned mega-farms take their place. Something also would help the family farms is re-instituting the New Deal restrictions on Wall Street speculation of commodities.
Hey seaweed,
There you go again praising the socialist New Deal. Pres.Rosevelt was a Socialist. I don't know why you want to keep handing out the Taxpayers'mymoney. The new deal didn't work, neither does socialism.
Keep Marching,
Skippy
quote:Originally posted by F350:
I feel like all farm subsidies should be abolished. If your business depends on government subsidies to survive then you have a poor business model.
Or you're being squeezed by market prices and Dow chemical.
quote:Originally posted by ferrellj:quote:Originally posted by F350:
I feel like all farm subsidies should be abolished. If your business depends on government subsidies to survive then you have a poor business model.
I agree, the same goes for all the tax supported things like museums, parks, tv and radio stations, etc. If they can't survive on their own then there's not a need for them.
Yours is not a world I'd want to live in.
Look, I'm just a country boy. I grew up on a farm, helped my step-dad anyway I could raising our food to a large degree. Cows, sheep, chickens, corn, beans of all kinds, potatoes... But in the end, if your livlihood depends on a business of "a family farm", then you are missing the boat. The change in times makes it tough to see a small farm owner competing. The same reason you don't build a "family grocery" right next to the Wal-Mart Supercenter is the same reason family farms are tanking. Overhead is to high and production is too low to compete in the private sector. Farmers are not the first "family business" to struggle trying to compete with a bigger business. Have a farm, feed your family from it, but don't look for a gov't handout to keep your business afloat. Like f350 said, if you rely on gov't handouts to stay out of the red, then it's time to look for another business. That's ANY business, not just "family farms".
From Organic Consumers.org:
FACTS:
The goal of federal farm bills since the first one was passed in 1949 has been to help family farmers stay in business. But according to U.S. Agricultural Census data, more than 60 percent of U.S. small family farmers aren't even eligible for subsidies.
The number of millionaires receiving farm subsidies rose 28% when Bush took office, while Ken Lay saw his percentage of total farm subsidies rise by 400%. (Source: Taxpayer.net)
71 percent of farm subsidies go to the top 10 percent of subsidy beneficiaries, almost all of which are large farms. In 2002, 78 farms, none small or struggling, each received over a million dollars in subsidies. The bottom 80 percent of recipients average only $846 per year. (Source: Environmental Working Group)
Examples of who is currently getting farm subsidies:
Archer Daniels Midland $36,305
Boise Cascade Corporation $11,024
Caterpillar $171,698
Chevron $260,223
Deere & Company $12,875
DuPont $188,732
Georgia Pacific $37,156
International Paper $375,393
John Han**** Mutual Life Insurance $125,975
Mead Corp $15,115
Westvaco Corp $268,740
Others receiving subsidies: Eli Lilly Co, Kimberly-Clark, Navistar, Pfizer, RJ Reynolds Tobacco Co.
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FACTS:
The goal of federal farm bills since the first one was passed in 1949 has been to help family farmers stay in business. But according to U.S. Agricultural Census data, more than 60 percent of U.S. small family farmers aren't even eligible for subsidies.
The number of millionaires receiving farm subsidies rose 28% when Bush took office, while Ken Lay saw his percentage of total farm subsidies rise by 400%. (Source: Taxpayer.net)
71 percent of farm subsidies go to the top 10 percent of subsidy beneficiaries, almost all of which are large farms. In 2002, 78 farms, none small or struggling, each received over a million dollars in subsidies. The bottom 80 percent of recipients average only $846 per year. (Source: Environmental Working Group)
Examples of who is currently getting farm subsidies:
Archer Daniels Midland $36,305
Boise Cascade Corporation $11,024
Caterpillar $171,698
Chevron $260,223
Deere & Company $12,875
DuPont $188,732
Georgia Pacific $37,156
International Paper $375,393
John Han**** Mutual Life Insurance $125,975
Mead Corp $15,115
Westvaco Corp $268,740
Others receiving subsidies: Eli Lilly Co, Kimberly-Clark, Navistar, Pfizer, RJ Reynolds Tobacco Co.
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quote:Only if you wish to see the family farm disappear and the multinational owned mega-farms take their place.
Who do you think is getting farm subsidies? It is pure mythology if you think government programs help small family farmers. They don't. They're merely a handout to big agribusiness.
quote:Originally posted by Mr.Dittohead:
Alabama farmers ask Congress to protect subsidy aid cause they are unable to support themselves without a handout.
http://www.montgomeryadvertise...-protect-subsidy-aid
Andy Wendland from 1995-2009 collected $4,233,462 in subsidies.
http://farm.ewg.org/region.php?fips=01000
Top 20 Alabama moochers from 1995 to 2009
1 Benton Farms ∗ Tyler, AL 36785 $10,882,406
2 Martin Farm ∗ Courtland, AL 35618 $10,797,728
3 Newby Farms ∗ Athens, AL 35613 $9,247,631
4 Haney Farms ∗ Athens, AL 35611 $8,247,041
5 Blythe Cotton Company ∗ Town Creek, AL 35672 $7,772,935
6 Driskell Cotton Farms ∗ Grand Bay, AL 36541 $7,090,448
7 Darden Bridgeforth And Sons ∗ Tanner, AL 35671 $6,718,177
8 Lee Farm ∗ Town Creek, AL 35672 $6,443,470
9 Hamilton Farms ∗ Hillsboro, AL 35643 $6,370,600
10 Isbell Farms ∗ Muscle Shoals, AL 35662 $5,781,144
11 Wendland Farms ∗ Autaugaville, AL 36003 $5,530,172
12 Moravec Farms ∗ Saint Elmo, AL 36568 $5,377,764
13 Wiggins Farm ∗ Andalusia, AL 36420 $5,159,638
14 Helton Brothers Farm ∗ Atmore, AL 36504 $5,031,535
15 Home Place Partners ∗ Prattville, AL 36066 $4,915,084
16 Spruell Farms ∗ Mount Hope, AL 35651 $4,842,286
17 J B Hain Co ∗ Sardis, AL 36775 $4,811,736
18 Tate Farms ∗ Meridianville, AL 35759 $4,779,312
19 Westover Planting Co ∗ Eufaula, AL 36027 $4,674,399
20 Vaden Farms ∗ Florence, AL 35633 $4,600,469
http://farm.ewg.org/top_recips...l®ionname=Alabama
Congratulations, Ditzy, for headlining these rip off artists. Soon, you'll be wearing a tricorner hat and attending tea parties.
quote:Originally posted by seeweed:quote:Originally posted by F350:
I feel like all farm subsidies should be abolished. If your business depends on government subsidies to survive then you have a poor business model.
Only if you wish to see the family farm disappear and the multinational owned mega-farms take their place. Something also would help the family farms is re-instituting the New Deal restrictions on Wall Street speculation of commodities.
Are you delusional, or a collector of subsidies!
"70 percent of farmers in Alabama did not collect subsidy payments - according to USDA.
Ten percent collected 81 percent of all subsidies.
Amounting to $2.03 billion over 15 years.
Top 10%: $18,696 average per year between 1995 and 2009.
Bottom 80%: $278 average per year between 1995 and 2009."
http://farm.ewg.org/region.php?fips=01000
quote:Originally posted by O No!:
From Organic Consumers.org:
FACTS:
The goal of federal farm bills since the first one was passed in 1949 has been to help family farmers stay in business. But according to U.S. Agricultural Census data, more than 60 percent of U.S. small family farmers aren't even eligible for subsidies.
The number of millionaires receiving farm subsidies rose 28% when Bush took office, while Ken Lay saw his percentage of total farm subsidies rise by 400%. (Source: Taxpayer.net)
71 percent of farm subsidies go to the top 10 percent of subsidy beneficiaries, almost all of which are large farms. In 2002, 78 farms, none small or struggling, each received over a million dollars in subsidies. The bottom 80 percent of recipients average only $846 per year. (Source: Environmental Working Group)
Examples of who is currently getting farm subsidies:
Archer Daniels Midland $36,305
Boise Cascade Corporation $11,024
Caterpillar $171,698
Chevron $260,223
Deere & Company $12,875
DuPont $188,732
Georgia Pacific $37,156
International Paper $375,393
John Han**** Mutual Life Insurance $125,975
Mead Corp $15,115
Westvaco Corp $268,740
Others receiving subsidies: Eli Lilly Co, Kimberly-Clark, Navistar, Pfizer, RJ Reynolds Tobacco Co.
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Soon to be a tea partier?
No, El, but I'd sure like to see farm subsidy money go to the people it was intended for rather than big business. I don't even see why right-wingers object to subsidies. After all, they seem to want ALL the money in this country go to big business.
The subsidies are just part of the almost complete control the US government has over commodities pricing. Why does the fedgov need 5000 employees to determine the market price for milk and cheese?
quote:Originally posted by O No!:
No, El, but I'd sure like to see farm subsidy money go to the people it was intended for rather than big business. I don't even see why right-wingers object to subsidies. After all, they seem to want ALL the money in this country go to big business.
Could this be the beginning of someone thinking for themself instead of buying the party line? I'm about as right wing as they come (without being insanely so) and I don't want ALL the money in this country going to big business. I want everyone who works for something to get the benefit of their labors.
quote:Originally posted by O No!:
No, El, but I'd sure like to see farm subsidy money go to the people it was intended for rather than big business. I don't even see why right-wingers object to subsidies. After all, they seem to want ALL the money in this country go to big business.
Why should the government be in the business of selecting winners and losers in any endeavor. Even our tax system pits home buyers against renters; agribusiness against family farms; etc. Governments aren't very good at central planning.
quote:Originally posted by Mr.Dittohead:
The subsidies are just part of the almost complete control the US government has over commodities pricing. Why does the fedgov need 5000 employees to determine the market price for milk and cheese?
Why Ditz, I think you're beginning to glimpse something! Another year, and you'll be voting Republican.
F350, I have never toed the party line. I have always thought things out issue by issue.
The problem in this country right now is that MOST people agree with whatever their party of choice tells them. Unless people start thinking for themselves we will continue to have gridlock in congress, and fools (from both sides) posting and believeing outrageous lies on internet forums such as this.
The problem in this country right now is that MOST people agree with whatever their party of choice tells them. Unless people start thinking for themselves we will continue to have gridlock in congress, and fools (from both sides) posting and believeing outrageous lies on internet forums such as this.