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The political temperature is rising as more and more citizens become unemployed. The illegal alien army that occupies our beloved nation is starting to viciously attack U.S. citizens. A peaceful rally outside of a Home Depot turned into a show down as a Hispanic man jumped from his car and assaulted and battered one of our Minuteman heroes.
“This was an open and aggressive attack against an unarmed Minuteman," Jim Gilchrist stated in an interview just minutes after he heard the news. I have to hand it to Minuteman "Kingfish"; he kept his cool and followed the Minuteman Code. Someone else might have used this senseless attack to create a brawl. Kingfish did exactly what a Minuteman is supposed to do in a situation like this. Avoid confrontation; never strike out at the other party unless you are in fear of your life or physical safety."

The assailant was arrested by rapidly responding Westminster police officers. Kingfish was taken to an urgent care medical center where he was prescribed antibiotics for the human bite he received during the altercation. X-rays at the medical center revealed a bone contusion that was sustained by the minuteman.

Luckily, our Minuteman received limited injuries. It could have been a lot worse but Minuteman Kingfish, a combat wounded Vietnam veteran of the 101st Airborne Rangers has been trained in self defense to disable attackers. Minuteman Kingfish, not only subdued his attacker, protected the rest of the ralliers, but also made a citizen's arrest of the attacker.

http://www.minutemanproject.com/index.asp
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Originally posted by flotown79:
Minuteman are not heros. Look up some of the things they have done in California.

Why don't they place an effort behind those they abuse the Tri-Care (tax paid) system.


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You see this goes both was. You cant cry that Illegals take up so much money and turn a blind eye to the citizens that are basically doing the exact same thing.



You lost me on this one.
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Originally posted by flotown79:
Minuteman are not heros. Look up some of the things they have done in California.

Why don't they place an effort behind those they abuse the Tri-Care (tax paid) system.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/20080629-9999-1n29surro.html

You see this goes both was. You cant cry that Illegals take up so much money and turn a blind eye to the citizens that are basically doing the exact same thing.


The Tri-Care system is the military's health care system and is available to ANYONE who fits the following qualifcations:

TRICARE is available to active duty service members and retirees of the seven uniformed services, their family members, survivors and others who are registered in the Defense Enrollment Eligibility Reporting System (DEERS). The uniformed services include the:

U.S. Army
U.S. Air Force
U.S. Navy
U.S. Marine Corps
U.S. Coast Guard
Commissioned Corps of the Public Health Service
Commissioned Corps of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Association

TRICARE is also available to members of the National Guard and Reserves and their families. Benefits will vary depending on the sponsor's military status. The National Guard and Reserves includes:

U.S. Army National Guard
U.S. Army Reserve
U.S. Navy Reserve
U.S. Marine Corps Reserve
Air National Guard
U.S. Air Force Reserve
U.S. Coast Guard Reserve.

I don't see anyone "gaming" the system here. If TriCare doesn't have a problem with it, who are YOU to mouth off about it? These women are military spouses, and as such, are entitled to this level of health care. It is the WOMAN who is pregnant and needs the medical care regardless of the parentage of the child growing inside her. If a military wife were raped and impregnated and chose to keep the child, would you still say that she should be precluded from having TriCare pay for her medical bills during the pregnancy and delivery because the child's father WASN'T her spouse??? GROW UP - THERE ISN'T A DIFFERENCE HERE.

Illegal aliens who sneak into this country are NOT and should NOT be entitled to anything except a swift kick in the butt and an express ticket back across the border. It's not these military women's fault that the U.S. government is spineless about how it handles the problems of illegals and the astronomical toll they take on our healthcare system. These women are NOT doing anything illegal or immoral - why don't you get over yourself already??????

And what the H-E-L-L does any of your rant have to do with the Minutemen??? They are just trying to stem the illegal tide that, as I've stated above, our own government appears too spineless to stop. Many of these men and women have served and many have bled in the service of protecting this country and they don't want to see it get flushed down the toilet. If the dirty illegal who bit this Minuteman is still alive, then the guy he bit showed a d-a-m-n sight more restraint than I would have. They would have had to mop up what was left of that illegal SOB if he had bitten me. I just hope that they don't forget to give a rabies series to the Minuteman who was bitten - just to be on the safe side!!!!
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Originally posted by FirenzeVeritas:
My friend Elaine is Brazilian. She is also American. Most illegal aliens are also American.The last time I checked Mexico and Guatemala are in America, just not the United State of.


No offense Fire, but I'm not getting your point. We are talking about people who are legal citizens of the U.S.A. versus illegals (in most cases Mexicans) who sneak across the border and want to sponge off of the gov't welfare system and earn American money while NOT paying American taxes. What does your Brazilian friend have to do with that? (unless she is one of them? which I find hard to believe)

Canadians, if you want to be technical, are also Americans since Canada occupies the North American continent but I don't see them lined up at welfare clinics or at worker stations outside Home Depots waiting to get picked up for day laborer work. I also don't think if you asked one they would identify themselves as American - they would say they are Canadian. Just like I'm guessing your friend would say she's Brazilian if asked. Most people don't personally identify with the continent they were born on but with the country they were born into or have become a naturalized citizen of.
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Originally posted by Top Down Beemer:
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Originally posted by flotown79:
Minuteman are not heros. Look up some of the things they have done in California.

Why don't they place an effort behind those they abuse the Tri-Care (tax paid) system.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/20080629-9999-1n29surro.html

You see this goes both was. You cant cry that Illegals take up so much money and turn a blind eye to the citizens that are basically doing the exact same thing.


The Tri-Care system is the military's health care system and is available to ANYONE who fits the following qualifcations:

TRICARE is available to active duty service members and retirees of the seven uniformed services, their family members, survivors and others who are registered in the Defense Enrollment Eligibility Reporting System (DEERS). The uniformed services include the:

U.S. Army
U.S. Air Force
U.S. Navy
U.S. Marine Corps
U.S. Coast Guard
Commissioned Corps of the Public Health Service
Commissioned Corps of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Association

TRICARE is also available to members of the National Guard and Reserves and their families. Benefits will vary depending on the sponsor's military status. The National Guard and Reserves includes:

U.S. Army National Guard
U.S. Army Reserve
U.S. Navy Reserve
U.S. Marine Corps Reserve
Air National Guard
U.S. Air Force Reserve
U.S. Coast Guard Reserve.

I don't see anyone "gaming" the system here. If TriCare doesn't have a problem with it, who are YOU to mouth off about it? These women are military spouses, and as such, are entitled to this level of health care. It is the WOMAN who is pregnant and needs the medical care regardless of the parentage of the child growing inside her. If a military wife were raped and impregnated and chose to keep the child, would you still say that she should be precluded from having TriCare pay for her medical bills during the pregnancy and delivery because the child's father WASN'T her spouse??? GROW UP - THERE ISN'T A DIFFERENCE HERE.

Illegal aliens who sneak into this country are NOT and should NOT be entitled to anything except a swift kick in the butt and an express ticket back across the border. It's not these military women's fault that the U.S. government is spineless about how it handles the problems of illegals and the astronomical toll they take on our healthcare system. These women are NOT doing anything illegal or immoral - why don't you get over yourself already??????

And what the H-E-L-L does any of your rant have to do with the Minutemen??? They are just trying to stem the illegal tide that, as I've stated above, our own government appears too spineless to stop. Many of these men and women have served and many have bled in the service of protecting this country and they don't want to see it get flushed down the toilet. If the dirty illegal who bit this Minuteman is still alive, then the guy he bit showed a d-a-m-n sight more restraint than I would have. They would have had to mop up what was left of that illegal SOB if he had bitten me. I just hope that they don't forget to give a rabies series to the Minuteman who was bitten - just to be on the safe side!!!!
Who am I to complain. I am currently serving in the military. Are you? I have deployed 6 times in the last 11 years to combat zones. Have you? I think, now I know that I have earned the right to speak out on things I see that are not right. There is a difference between a woman being raped and a woman being paid to carry the child. Again read the article. Some women were paid $20,000 - $35,000 and one is on her 6th child. You say that Tri-Care does not complain so why worry, then please inform me when Welfare Office have complained. They allow it, so according to you silly way of thinking, you should not have a problem either. Anything else???
What is the difference between an illegal getting aid/welfare or what ever you want to call it and citizens stealing billions. There is no difference. However most of you seem to only wanna go after illegals because i is easier. Both are criminals, both should be punished. Do some research and find out how much money is spent each year going after those citizens that steal, fraud, and con Joe Taxpayer. You might be surprised at the amount. The Bigger problem is not if the guilty is illegal or a citizen but the crim itself.
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Originally posted by flotown79:
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Originally posted by Top Down Beemer:
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Originally posted by flotown79:
Minuteman are not heros. Look up some of the things they have done in California.

Why don't they place an effort behind those they abuse the Tri-Care (tax paid) system.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/20080629-9999-1n29surro.html

You see this goes both was. You cant cry that Illegals take up so much money and turn a blind eye to the citizens that are basically doing the exact same thing.


The Tri-Care system is the military's health care system and is available to ANYONE who fits the following qualifcations:

TRICARE is available to active duty service members and retirees of the seven uniformed services, their family members, survivors and others who are registered in the Defense Enrollment Eligibility Reporting System (DEERS). The uniformed services include the:

U.S. Army
U.S. Air Force
U.S. Navy
U.S. Marine Corps
U.S. Coast Guard
Commissioned Corps of the Public Health Service
Commissioned Corps of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Association

TRICARE is also available to members of the National Guard and Reserves and their families. Benefits will vary depending on the sponsor's military status. The National Guard and Reserves includes:

U.S. Army National Guard
U.S. Army Reserve
U.S. Navy Reserve
U.S. Marine Corps Reserve
Air National Guard
U.S. Air Force Reserve
U.S. Coast Guard Reserve.

I don't see anyone "gaming" the system here. If TriCare doesn't have a problem with it, who are YOU to mouth off about it? These women are military spouses, and as such, are entitled to this level of health care. It is the WOMAN who is pregnant and needs the medical care regardless of the parentage of the child growing inside her. If a military wife were raped and impregnated and chose to keep the child, would you still say that she should be precluded from having TriCare pay for her medical bills during the pregnancy and delivery because the child's father WASN'T her spouse??? GROW UP - THERE ISN'T A DIFFERENCE HERE.

Illegal aliens who sneak into this country are NOT and should NOT be entitled to anything except a swift kick in the butt and an express ticket back across the border. It's not these military women's fault that the U.S. government is spineless about how it handles the problems of illegals and the astronomical toll they take on our healthcare system. These women are NOT doing anything illegal or immoral - why don't you get over yourself already??????

And what the H-E-L-L does any of your rant have to do with the Minutemen??? They are just trying to stem the illegal tide that, as I've stated above, our own government appears too spineless to stop. Many of these men and women have served and many have bled in the service of protecting this country and they don't want to see it get flushed down the toilet. If the dirty illegal who bit this Minuteman is still alive, then the guy he bit showed a d-a-m-n sight more restraint than I would have. They would have had to mop up what was left of that illegal SOB if he had bitten me. I just hope that they don't forget to give a rabies series to the Minuteman who was bitten - just to be on the safe side!!!!
Who am I to complain. I am currently serving in the military. Are you? I have deployed 6 times in the last 11 years to combat zones. Have you? I think, now I know that I have earned the right to speak out on things I see that are not right. There is a difference between a woman being raped and a woman being paid to carry the child. Again read the article. Some women were paid $20,000 - $35,000 and one is on her 6th child. You say that Tri-Care does not complain so why worry, then please inform me when Welfare Office have complained. They allow it, so according to you silly way of thinking, you should not have a problem either. Anything else???


No, I haven't deployed, you pompous blowhard, and no I'm not serving, BUT I AM A MILITARY WIFE, so by your own silly logic THAT earns me a right to speak my mind just as much as YOU! Probably more so since I'm guessing you're MALE and unless you're hermaphroditic, you can't get pregnant or give birth. Or is it that you're just pissed off because you can't get in on the action? $20k-$35k is an awful nice cash infusion when you're living on a soldier's pay.

And the Federal Welfare System is a government-funded (read: taxpayer-funded) program employing primarily paperwork shuffling drones. As long as they get their paychecks, who are they to rock the boat and complain about who their "customers" are? As I am one of the people whose taxes are going to pay for these illegals and their healthcare, anchor babies, foodstamps, subsidized housing, etc. I feel that also gives me a right to complain about where my tax money is being spent. I am sick and tired of the dumbing down and Mexicanization of America, especially prevalent here in southern California. When you start seeing billboards on the freeways that read Los Angeles, Mexico, you know things have gotten out of control. I think the Minutemen have exactly the right idea.
I never said illegal people is not a problem because it is. I am saying that there are just as many citizens that abuse the system too. I am saying that instead of bashing one group, I say bash all the groups that abuse the system, citizen or not. I know all to well about the pay we receive, however this job done by choice. No one forced your husband to raise his right hand just like no one forced me. I see you complained about "anchor babies" but not families looking for military wifes to carry their child for the free medical benefits. Do you really believe that your payments each month really cover the cost of Tri-Care. You might want to look up those numbers. You do have a right to complain, but just don't limit it illegals complain about all those that contribute to fraud, waste, and abuse. Now am I pissed, you better believe it.
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Originally posted by Top Down Beemer:
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Originally posted by FirenzeVeritas:
My friend Elaine is Brazilian. She is also American. Most illegal aliens are also American.The last time I checked Mexico and Guatemala are in America, just not the United State of.


No offense Fire, but I'm not getting your point. We are talking about people who are legal citizens of the U.S.A. versus illegals (in most cases Mexicans) who sneak across the border and want to sponge off of the gov't welfare system and earn American money while NOT paying American taxes. What does your Brazilian friend have to do with that? (unless she is one of them? which I find hard to believe)

Canadians, if you want to be technical, are also Americans since Canada occupies the North American continent but I don't see them lined up at welfare clinics or at worker stations outside Home Depots waiting to get picked up for day laborer work. I also don't think if you asked one they would identify themselves as American - they would say they are Canadian. Just like I'm guessing your friend would say she's Brazilian if asked. Most people don't personally identify with the continent they were born on but with the country they were born into or have become a naturalized citizen of.


My point was that the proper term should be US Citizen. Proud Whatever needs to buy a dictionary. Anyone born and living in North, Central, and South America is an American.
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Originally posted by FirenzeVeritas:
My friend Elaine is Brazilian. She is also American. Most illegal aliens are also American.The last time I checked Mexico and Guatemala are in America, just not the United State of.


You need a school lesson!!!!! I will speak very slowly we are talking about being American citizens not just North or South American continent residents.
Actually we are the United States of America by title. They are citizens of Mexico, Brazilian, etc countries which happen to be on either the North or South American continents. Tell anyone in another country your American and they know you are from the United States of America not MEXICO or BRAZIL. If you still doubt this simply look on any money you have in your pocket it says United States of America. You have to look on dollars not pesos. Look on you Brazilian friends passport and I bet you will not see the word American.
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Originally posted by Mr. Hooberbloob:
Not real sure what Firenze is trying to accomplish. North America and South America are continents, not countries. America is a country.

Someone from Chile may live on the South American continent, but they are most assuredly not an American.


No, America is not a county. The United States of America is a country. America is an area in the Western Hemisphere. Yes, we sometimes refer to US citizens as simply Americans, but it is not technically correct. Believe me, my friend from Mexico City (who is 100% caucsian) and now lives in Tanner will correct anyone who doesn't understand the difference. I know of no official money, publications, seals, etc., that refer to this county as simply America.
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Originally posted by flotown79:
I never said illegal people is not a problem because it is. I am saying that there are just as many citizens that abuse the system too. I am saying that instead of bashing one group, I say bash all the groups that abuse the system, citizen or not. I know all to well about the pay we receive, however this job done by choice. No one forced your husband to raise his right hand just like no one forced me. I see you complained about "anchor babies" but not families looking for military wifes to carry their child for the free medical benefits. Do you really believe that your payments each month really cover the cost of Tri-Care. You might want to look up those numbers. You do have a right to complain, but just don't limit it illegals complain about all those that contribute to fraud, waste, and abuse. Now am I pissed, you better believe it.


We have to start somewhere, get the illegals out of this country, then go after anyone else that abuses the system.Example: Those that get a check just because they are 2 tupid 2 rid & wit.
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Originally posted by FirenzeVeritas:
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Originally posted by Mr. Hooberbloob:
Not real sure what Firenze is trying to accomplish. North America and South America are continents, not countries. America is a country.

Someone from Chile may live on the South American continent, but they are most assuredly not an American.


No, America is not a county. The United States of America is a country. America is an area in the Western Hemisphere. Yes, we sometimes refer to US citizens as simply Americans, but it is not technically correct. Believe me, my friend from Mexico City (who is 100% caucsian) and now lives in Tanner will correct anyone who doesn't understand the difference. I know of no official money, publications, seals, etc., that refer to this county as simply America.


Your friend from Mexico is wrong. If he was to tell someone he is American 100% of sane people would think he is from the United States of America not Mexico. Also, show me any country of the Americas that has America on their money in any way. Ours does say the United States of America. This argument has been tried to justify illegal immigration for some time by trying to claim they are Americans. They are not they are Mexicans etc. They are however indigenous people of the Americas. Simply look up the word "indigenous and citizen" and you will see there is a difference.
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Originally posted by yankeewitch:
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Originally posted by flotown79:
I never said illegal people is not a problem because it is. I am saying that there are just as many citizens that abuse the system too. I am saying that instead of bashing one group, I say bash all the groups that abuse the system, citizen or not. I know all to well about the pay we receive, however this job done by choice. No one forced your husband to raise his right hand just like no one forced me. I see you complained about "anchor babies" but not families looking for military wifes to carry their child for the free medical benefits. Do you really believe that your payments each month really cover the cost of Tri-Care. You might want to look up those numbers. You do have a right to complain, but just don't limit it illegals complain about all those that contribute to fraud, waste, and abuse. Now am I pissed, you better believe it.


We have to start somewhere, get the illegals out of this country, then go after anyone else that abuses the system.Example: Those that get a check just because they are 2 tupid 2 rid & wit.
Why not start with US citizen that abuse the system? They are no better. A thief is a thief no matter how it is twisted.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/07/02/israel.arrest/index.html

Here is one US citizen that finally turned himself in after alomst one month on the run. I guess long enough to move the money out of the country. He got 20 years actually he will serve only about half of that.
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Originally posted by HIFLYER:
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Originally posted by FirenzeVeritas:
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Originally posted by Mr. Hooberbloob:
Not real sure what Firenze is trying to accomplish. North America and South America are continents, not countries. America is a country.

Someone from Chile may live on the South American continent, but they are most assuredly not an American.


No, America is not a county. The United States of America is a country. America is an area in the Western Hemisphere. Yes, we sometimes refer to US citizens as simply Americans, but it is not technically correct. Believe me, my friend from Mexico City (who is 100% caucsian) and now lives in Tanner will correct anyone who doesn't understand the difference. I know of no official money, publications, seals, etc., that refer to this county as simply America.


Your friend from Mexico is wrong. If he was to tell someone he is American 100% of sane people would think he is from the United States of America not Mexico. Also, show me any country of the Americas that has America on their money in any way. Ours does say the United States of America. This argument has been tried to justify illegal immigration for some time by trying to claim they are Americans. They are not they are Mexicans etc. They are however indigenous people of the Americas. Simply look up the word "indigenous and citizen" and you will see there is a difference.


You seem to make quite a few assumptions. My freind who is originally from Mexico is female, not male. Please read this carefully: no where am I defending illegal immigration. I am correcting the use of a colloquialism that would not hack it in a court of law. I know that we call our country simply America. I also know that in Europe we would be identified as from "the states." "The states" is no more a country than is "America." Capish?
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Why not start with US citizen that abuse the system? They are no better. A thief is a thief no matter how it is twisted.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/07/02/israel.arrest/index.html

Here is one US citizen that finally turned himself in after alomst one month on the run. I guess long enough to move the money out of the country. He got 20 years actually he will serve only about half of that


I think there is a difference, an ILLEGAL alien is a criminal before he ever rips off Uncle Sam and shouldn't never be in a position to rip us off to begin with. It's like a convict breaking out of prison and stealing, it's a double whammy. If they would button up the border and fine employers for hiring them, the ILLEGAL half of the Government "shrinkage" would be gone and we could go after the US Citizens in earnest.
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Originally posted by MentalFloss:
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Why not start with US citizen that abuse the system? They are no better. A thief is a thief no matter how it is twisted.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/07/02/israel.arrest/index.html

Here is one US citizen that finally turned himself in after alomst one month on the run. I guess long enough to move the money out of the country. He got 20 years actually he will serve only about half of that


I think there is a difference, an ILLEGAL alien is a criminal before he ever rips off Uncle Sam and shouldn't never be in a position to rip us off to begin with. It's like a convict breaking out of prison and stealing, it's a double whammy. If they would button up the border and fine employers for hiring them, the ILLEGAL half of the Government "shrinkage" would be gone and we could go after the US Citizens in earnest.
With that being your case, the founders of this country did the exact same thing, but we hold them high with honor. This what is wrong with this country. Both are thieves but we tend to make the illegals seem like the only problem. A criminal is a criminal. It does not matter if he is stealing millions from taxpayers through schemes or stealing it through welfare. Well both canidates are not for deportation so it wont happen anytime soon. The current President can place and Executive Order to deport all illegals but won't. Politicans will continue to "pass the buck" because they want to stay in power and they know that Hispanic will soon be the majority.
Flotown - I don't think anybody is going to disagree that native moochers need to be dealt with. However, this thread is about illegal aliens. You may want to start another thread to get your point across better.

Firenze - I am an American. If you can show me any other country to our north or south that describes themselves as "American" then we'll talk further. I'm not talking about one person but rather a country that identifies their citizens as Americans. I can't believe we are actually arguing this point in the first place. Who cares?
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Originally posted by Mr. Hooberbloob:
Flotown - I don't think anybody is going to disagree that native moochers need to be dealt with. However, this thread is about illegal aliens. You may want to start another thread to get your point across better.

Firenze - I am an American. If you can show me any other country to our north or south that describes themselves as "American" then we'll talk further. I'm not talking about one person but rather a country that identifies their citizens as Americans. I can't believe we are actually arguing this point in the first place. Who cares?
You are correct, however I see the same people on this forum always complaining about illegals, and never have one word to say about our own citizens that are basically doing the same thing. Yes illegals are a problem. I am in total agreement with that, but so are the others that sham the system too. If you want to complain about illegals, tell that to Sen. John McCain, the original author of amnesty legislation with Sen. Ted kennedy, who is claiming he didn't suppor amnesty of illegals. Sen Obama is no better either on this issue.
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Originally posted by FirenzeVeritas:
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Originally posted by HIFLYER:
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Originally posted by FirenzeVeritas:
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Originally posted by Mr. Hooberbloob:
Not real sure what Firenze is trying to accomplish. North America and South America are continents, not countries. America is a country.

Someone from Chile may live on the South American continent, but they are most assuredly not an American.


No, America is not a county. The United States of America is a country. America is an area in the Western Hemisphere. Yes, we sometimes refer to US citizens as simply Americans, but it is not technically correct. Believe me, my friend from Mexico City (who is 100% caucsian) and now lives in Tanner will correct anyone who doesn't understand the difference. I know of no official money, publications, seals, etc., that refer to this county as simply America.


Your friend from Mexico is wrong. If he was to tell someone he is American 100% of sane people would think he is from the United States of America not Mexico. Also, show me any country of the Americas that has America on their money in any way. Ours does say the United States of America. This argument has been tried to justify illegal immigration for some time by trying to claim they are Americans. They are not they are Mexicans etc. They are however indigenous people of the Americas. Simply look up the word "indigenous and citizen" and you will see there is a difference.


You seem to make quite a few assumptions. My freind who is originally from Mexico is female, not male. Please read this carefully: no where am I defending illegal immigration. I am correcting the use of a colloquialism that would not hack it in a court of law. I know that we call our country simply America. I also know that in Europe we would be identified as from "the states." "The states" is no more a country than is "America." Capish?


Actually I bet it would as you say hack it in a court of law. Every time I go thru customs at an airport and they ask my nationality I say American. That is what every customs officer wants to hear in any other country I go too or here in America. What does your friend or someone from Brazil say? I bet that they do not say American and get let in. While it is true some in Europe say are you from the states but if they quote my nationality they refer to me as American. In my job it is probably safe to say I travel more than you do.
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Originally posted by Mr. Hooberbloob:
Flotown - I don't think anybody is going to disagree that native moochers need to be dealt with. However, this thread is about illegal aliens. You may want to start another thread to get your point across better.

Firenze - I am an American. If you can show me any other country to our north or south that describes themselves as "American" then we'll talk further. I'm not talking about one person but rather a country that identifies their citizens as Americans. I can't believe we are actually arguing this point in the first place. Who cares?


You made my point. US citizens are the only ones who claim to be simply "Americans." This does infuriate others who live elsewhere on the two American continents.
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Originally posted by FirenzeVeritas:
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Originally posted by Mr. Hooberbloob:
Flotown - I don't think anybody is going to disagree that native moochers need to be dealt with. However, this thread is about illegal aliens. You may want to start another thread to get your point across better.

Firenze - I am an American. If you can show me any other country to our north or south that describes themselves as "American" then we'll talk further. I'm not talking about one person but rather a country that identifies their citizens as Americans. I can't believe we are actually arguing this point in the first place. Who cares?


You made my point. US citizens are the only ones who claim to be simply "Americans." This does infuriate others who live elsewhere on the two American continents.


US citizens are the only ones who claim to be simply "Americans."

No, I think you just made my point. To those who are infuriated, they are just jealous because they aren't from this great country.
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Originally posted by TamaraKnight:
Its like my teacher said about aggravating, nobody knows how to use the word. I love it when Catholics say they are the church.


If the Catholic is a US citizen, would he be a member of the American Church, or maybe the church of America?

Mr. H., you ever heard of the Avenue of the Americas?
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Originally posted by FirenzeVeritas:
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Originally posted by Top Down Beemer:
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Originally posted by FirenzeVeritas:
My friend Elaine is Brazilian. She is also American. Most illegal aliens are also American.The last time I checked Mexico and Guatemala are in America, just not the United State of.


No offense Fire, but I'm not getting your point. We are talking about people who are legal citizens of the U.S.A. versus illegals (in most cases Mexicans) who sneak across the border and want to sponge off of the gov't welfare system and earn American money while NOT paying American taxes. What does your Brazilian friend have to do with that? (unless she is one of them? which I find hard to believe)

Canadians, if you want to be technical, are also Americans since Canada occupies the North American continent but I don't see them lined up at welfare clinics or at worker stations outside Home Depots waiting to get picked up for day laborer work. I also don't think if you asked one they would identify themselves as American - they would say they are Canadian. Just like I'm guessing your friend would say she's Brazilian if asked. Most people don't personally identify with the continent they were born on but with the country they were born into or have become a naturalized citizen of.


My point was that the proper term should be US Citizen. Proud Whatever needs to buy a dictionary. Anyone born and living in North, Central, and South America is an American.

You're splitting hairs here...everyone knows when the term "American" is used it means someone from the USA. Do you also always state your age in fraction form b/c all numbers are fractions?

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