I think america is free to a fault.
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quote:Originally posted by Gifted Child:
I think america is free to a fault.
We should protect our freedom. Too many take it for granted, or, they abuse it for self gain.
From a song:
Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose.
Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose.
quote:Originally posted by b50m:
From a song:
Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose.
Luv Janis Joplin !!!!!!!!!!
quote:Originally posted by Gifted Child:
I think america is free to a fault.
Could you be more specific in what makes you feel this way?
I don't think America is near as "free" as you feel it is. Try starting a Bible Study in Public Schools. not a teacher led on but students that want to start their on, check the many Christmas displays that are not permitted in certain areas within the US. Look at all the laws in various places that prohibit you from so many things. With freedom comes responsibility and though the years many have abused freedoms which created a need or desires for laws limiting our freedom. Look at recent articles about classes that were prohibited from singing songs in front of various Washington buildings. And then try an go take your camera and photograph various attractions around the country and see how far you get.
While, relatively speaking, we Americans are free in many areas that others who live in other countries aren't we are losing more an more of our freedoms each year it seems. I feel that we had far more freedoms in the 1950's and 1960's than we have today.
While, relatively speaking, we Americans are free in many areas that others who live in other countries aren't we are losing more an more of our freedoms each year it seems. I feel that we had far more freedoms in the 1950's and 1960's than we have today.
As the old saying goes "freedom is never free". And, we as law abiding Americans are not "free" to do whatever we please. We must follow the laws of the land to keep our freedom. Break them and your freedom could be taken away.
But I think what you're getting at is just how much freedom is needed, to be able to keep the freedoms we enjoy.
This is a deep topic and could easily be in the political section as well.
But I think what you're getting at is just how much freedom is needed, to be able to keep the freedoms we enjoy.
This is a deep topic and could easily be in the political section as well.
quote:Originally posted by Bama Bunny:quote:Originally posted by b50m:
From a song:
Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose.
Luv Janis Joplin !!!!!!!!!!
Wasn't she great!
quote:Originally posted by b50m:quote:Originally posted by Bama Bunny:quote:Originally posted by b50m:
From a song:
Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose.
Luv Janis Joplin !!!!!!!!!!
Wasn't she great!
She did a great job on Kris' song. In fact Kris is one of the best songwriters ever. Me and Bobby McGee was great, and who cannot feel like he has "been there and done that" when they hear Sunday Morning Coming Down.?
'The beer I had for breakfast wasn't bad so I had one more for dessert.'
Some mornings are like that.
Now as to freedom: it isn't free, it always can be taken away, and every one wants it.
Some mornings are like that.
Now as to freedom: it isn't free, it always can be taken away, and every one wants it.
quote:Originally posted by gbrk:
...I feel that we had far more freedoms in the 1950's and 1960's than we have today.
Laughable. I take it you are willfully ignoring or completely unaware of Americans of African descent, women or any other minority that existed alongside privileged WASP males in the 50s and 60s.
quote:Originally posted by gbrk:
I don't think America is near as "free" as you feel it is. Try starting a Bible Study in Public Schools. not a teacher led on but students that want to start their on, check the many Christmas displays that are not permitted in certain areas within the US. Look at all the laws in various places that prohibit you from so many things. With freedom comes responsibility and though the years many have abused freedoms which created a need or desires for laws limiting our freedom. Look at recent articles about classes that were prohibited from singing songs in front of various Washington buildings. And then try an go take your camera and photograph various attractions around the country and see how far you get.
While, relatively speaking, we Americans are free in many areas that others who live in other countries aren't we are losing more an more of our freedoms each year it seems. I feel that we had far more freedoms in the 1950's and 1960's than we have today.
gbrk, you hit right on it. Where are the freedoms coming from thats taking our
american rights away? Why are our laws being changed against us? The rights we've
had for so long are sliding away. I don't want to go too deep into this, but I
know your watching the news as well. More has changed in the last 10 yrs. than the
last 50 yrs. and not for our good.
quote:Originally posted by Gifted Child:
I think america is free to a fault.
What do you mean? Please be specific.
Asked any parent that has lost a child in war, & they would say that freedom isn't free.
quote:Originally posted by Gifted Child:quote:Originally posted by gbrk:
I don't think America is near as "free" as you feel it is. Try starting a Bible Study in Public Schools. not a teacher led on but students that want to start their on, check the many Christmas displays that are not permitted in certain areas within the US. Look at all the laws in various places that prohibit you from so many things. With freedom comes responsibility and though the years many have abused freedoms which created a need or desires for laws limiting our freedom. Look at recent articles about classes that were prohibited from singing songs in front of various Washington buildings. And then try an go take your camera and photograph various attractions around the country and see how far you get.
While, relatively speaking, we Americans are free in many areas that others who live in other countries aren't we are losing more an more of our freedoms each year it seems. I feel that we had far more freedoms in the 1950's and 1960's than we have today.
gbrk, you hit right on it. Where are the freedoms coming from thats taking our
american rights away? Why are our laws being changed against us? The rights we've
had for so long are sliding away. I don't want to go too deep into this, but I
know your watching the news as well. More has changed in the last 10 yrs. than the
last 50 yrs. and not for our good.
Are you implying that "freedoms" is a zero sum game ? That in order for one "group" to gain freedom will take some away from you ?
Need to re-think that.
What individual freedoms have you seen stripped from you in the last 10 years ?
I'll name some to start:
Freedom to ride a motorcycle without a helmet
Freedom to NOT have to use seat belts in my car
Freedom to be able to drink and drive
Freedom to smoke marijuana (used to be a misdemeanor)
I can also name some freedoms some people have gained in my lifetime:
Freedom to eat in the same restaurants for Blacks
Freedom for Black people to even be in Cullman Ala after dark.
Freedom for a young woman to make medical decisions about her body.(this is currently under attack)
Freedom in public schools from religious groups whom you do not want your kids involved in.
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You have the freedom to photograph the changing of the guard at Arlington now, didn't used to be that way.
I was around in the 50's and 60's and I can tell you that we gained a lot of freedom in the 60's The 50's were pretty up-tight times in case you don't remember.
It is easy to look back at a time when things seemed simpler to you, because life for YOU was not as complex as it is as an adult, point to that time, say we have lost our freedoms and find someone to blame . Truth is, we have gained more freedoms, and haven't taken any away from anyone.
quote:Originally posted by A. Robustus:quote:Originally posted by gbrk:
...I feel that we had far more freedoms in the 1950's and 1960's than we have today.
Laughable. I take it you are willfully ignoring or completely unaware of Americans of African descent, women or any other minority that existed alongside privileged WASP males in the 50s and 60s.
I'm not ignoring African Americans as I have no way to relate to their position. I have no doubt that opportunities exist now and in the 80's & 90's that did not exist in the 60's however what I was specifically referring to was Religious freedoms. Courts have become much more involved in making law rather than interpreting it. The case in California and Arizona is a prime case. Here you have a activist Judge overrule an Election with 7 Million Votes, according to their Constitution and the US Constitution yet one man, an Activist Judge makes the ballots and voting process null and void. This is Dangerous to our Constitutional freedoms when you have such outside of the Checks and Balances that are provided in the Constitution. African Americans do have better options today however that has also come along with reverse discrimination which also isn't right. You have situations like a justice department openly choosing not to prosecute a video proven case of voter intimidation just because the offenders were black and the persons being intimidated were white. Their freedoms ARE less and being infringed and it is a Racist act on the part of the Justice Department with the silent approval of the Administration. Your statement about privileged WASP males is also racist whether or not you see it as such it is your judgement of such. Were there people that exited that were racist then? Yes just as you are being today by making a blanket statement of such. Do you not realize that Minorities have the rights they do today because of privileged white Christian males who believe that each person is the SAME in God's eyes and therefore should be in the eyes of our nation and government.
While we may be more free in some areas today for some people others are not as free. Terrorism took some of our freedoms away... where we can and cannot go, what we can photograph and where we can take photographs. What we are allowed to take onto planes or into buildings and courthouses. In the 60's and 70's we were able to take items on planes and in buildings that today would land us in trouble with authorities. Through an more liberal biased activist judicial system religious freedoms ARE being limited and eliminated whether you see it or not. Freedom of Religion is more and more being made freedom from Religion under the name of Separation of Church and State. That is what I was specifically referencing by my comment.
quote:Originally posted by gbrk:quote:Originally posted by A. Robustus:quote:Originally posted by gbrk:
...I feel that we had far more freedoms in the 1950's and 1960's than we have today.
Laughable. I take it you are willfully ignoring or completely unaware of Americans of African descent, women or any other minority that existed alongside privileged WASP males in the 50s and 60s.
...Freedom of Religion is more and more being made freedom from Religion under the name of Separation of Church and State. That is what I was specifically referencing by my comment.
So you're now clarifying that everyone had far more religious freedom in the 50s & 60s? You think Jews and Muslims had more religious freedoms back then? Or was it just Christians of European descent that you're concerning your memory with? Especially since you admit that you apparently have no way to even relate to other people's positions in society. I guess you weren't ignoring minorities and women after all, you were just unaware (in your magnanimous Christian way) that they existed or unconcerned with their lack of freedom.
quote:Originally posted by A. Robustus:quote:Originally posted by gbrk:quote:Originally posted by A. Robustus:quote:Originally posted by gbrk:
...I feel that we had far more freedoms in the 1950's and 1960's than we have today.
Laughable. I take it you are willfully ignoring or completely unaware of Americans of African descent, women or any other minority that existed alongside privileged WASP males in the 50s and 60s.
...Freedom of Religion is more and more being made freedom from Religion under the name of Separation of Church and State. That is what I was specifically referencing by my comment.
So you're now clarifying that everyone had far more religious freedom in the 50s & 60s? You think Jews and Muslims had more religious freedoms back then? Or was it just Christians of European descent that you're concerning your memory with? Especially since you admit that you apparently have no way to even relate to other people's positions in society. I guess you weren't ignoring minorities and women after all, you were just unaware (in your magnanimous Christian way) that they existed or unconcerned with their lack of freedom.
gbrk: "Try starting a bible study in public schools." I wish you could and at one
time they did. I remember praying from the Bible in home room.
seaweed: Talks about stripped freedoms from not wearing a helmet riding a motorcycle
ect. ect. These are common sense things everybody wants anyway. Your list is good
for everyone.
A.rob: You played every guilt/race card you could think of, you missed the whole
thing. It was good to know more about you.
I wasn't that specific about what freedoms because i wanted to know what other
people think about this. I think gbrk is the only one who gets it.