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In 1620, a group of people seeking religious freedom from the state mandated Church of England, risked crossing the Atlantic Ocean in a small ship, the Mayflower, to settle in the new country, America.   We can read more about this venture at http://web.ccsd.k12.wy.us/tech...05/0101underpil.html   Below is an excerpt:

They were English people who sought to escape the religious controversies and economic problems of their time by emigrating to America.  Many of the Pilgrims were members of a Puritan sect know as Separatists.  They believed that membership in the Church of England violated the biblical precepts for true Christians, and that they had to break away and form independent congregations which were truer to divine requirements.  At a time when Church and State were one, such an act was treasonous and the Separatists had to flee their mother country.  Other Pilgrims remained loyal to the national Church, but came (to America on the Mayflower) because of economic opportunity and a sympathy with Puritanism as well.  They all shared a fervent and pervasive Protestant faith that touched all areas in their life.

 

After a voyage of two months leaving Plymouth, England in September 1620, because of bad weather, they were forced to land (November 1620) at what has become known as Plymouth Rock in Cape Cod Bay, far north of their intended landing at Virginia.   Before going as****, they gathered and wrote a document by which they would govern themselves in this new land.  That document is called the Mayflower Compact and reads, in modern English:


In the name of God, Amen.  We, whose names are underwritten, the Loyal Subjects of our dread Sovereign Lord King James, by the Grace of God, of Great Britain, France, and Ireland, King, defender of the Faith, etc.:

Having undertaken, for the Glory of God, and advancements of the Christian faith, and the honor of our King and Country, a voyage to plant the first colony in the Northern parts of Virginia; do by these presents, solemnly and mutually, in the presence of God, and one another; covenant and combine ourselves together into a civil body politic; for our better ordering, and preservation and furtherance of the ends aforesaid; and by virtue hereof to enact, constitute, and frame, such just and equal laws, ordinances, acts, constitutions, and offices, from time to time, as shall be thought most meet and convenient for the general good of the colony; unto which we promise all due submission and obedience.

In witness whereof we have hereunto subscribed our names at Cape Cod the 11th of November, in the year of the reign of our Sovereign Lord King James, of England, France, and Ireland, the eighteenth, and of Scotland the fifty-fourth, 1620.

 

This venture toward an independent and free Christian life in America, an America governed and ruled by Biblically based faith and documents, which was begun in 1620 with the Mayflower Compact -- ran into a brick wall in 2008 when Barack Obama, aka Barry Soetoro, was sadly elected to the office of president of the United States. 

 

Immediately, he began his determined effort to dismantle the Constitution and turn America into a anti-Christian Socialist nation.  In the article below, you may read, in detailed steps, how he has been accomplishing this over the past three and one half years.


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America’s Most Biblically-Hostile U. S. President
By David Barton - 02/29/2012
http://www.wallbuilders.com/li...ticles.asp?id=106938

 

When one observes President Obama’s unwillingness to accommodate America’s four-century long religious conscience protection, through his attempts to require Catholics to go against their own doctrines and beliefs, one is tempted to say that he is anti-Catholic.  But that characterization would not be correct.  Although he has recently singled out Catholics, he has equally targeted traditional Protestant beliefs over the past four years.

So since he has attacked Catholics and Protestants, one is tempted to say that he is anti-Christian.  But that, too, would be inaccurate.  He has been equally disrespectful in his appalling treatment of religious Jews in general, and Israel in particular.

So perhaps the most accurate description of his antipathy toward Catholics, Protestants, religious Jews, and the Jewish nation -- would be to characterize him as anti-Biblical.

And, then, when his hostility toward Biblical people of faith -- is contrasted with his preferential treatment of Muslims and Muslim nations, it further strengthens the accuracy of the anti-Biblical descriptor.  In fact, there have been numerous clearly documented times when his pro-Islam positions have been the cause of his anti-Biblical actions.

Listed below in chronological order are (1) numerous records of his attacks on Biblical persons or organizations; (2) examples of the hostility toward Biblical faith that have become evident in the past three years in the Obama-led military; (3) a listing of his open attacks on Biblical values; and finally (4) a listing of numerous incidents of his preferential deference for Islam’s activities and positions, including letting his Islamic advisors guide and influence his hostility toward people of Biblical faith.

1. Acts of hostility toward people of Biblical faith:

April 2008 – Obama speaks disrespectfully of Christians, saying they “cling to guns or religion” and have an “antipathy to people who aren't like them.” (1)

February 2009 – Obama announces plans to revoke conscience protection for health workers who refuse to participate in medical activities that go against their beliefs, and fully implements the plan in February 2011. (2)

April 2009 – When speaking at Georgetown University, Obama orders that a monogram symbolizing Jesus' name be covered when he is making his speech. (3)

PLEASE VISIT THE URL LINK SHOWN ABOVE
TO READ THE REMAINING LONG LIST OF HIS
OFFENSES AGAINST OUR CHRISTIAN FAITH.


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Please notice, in the April 2008 comments, above, from Obama -- he refers to Christians as THEM.  If he were truly a Christian, why would he refer to Christians as THEM?

My Friends, the election this November will be the most critical election in my lifetime, and most likely yours.   If you are a person of Christian faith, please consider what he has done to destroy our Christian faith in this short three and one half years of this term.  Then, think about what he will do in the next four years if reelected -- when he is not concerned about winning a reelection.

In an "open mic" goof at the Nuclear Summit 2012, he is heard speaking with outgoing Russian President Medvedev, sending a message regarding a missile defense agreement to the newly elected Russian President Putin, saying, "This is my last election.  After my election, I will have more flexibility."

And, the Russian tells him, "I understand.  I will transmit this information to Vladimir and I stand with you."

My question:  WHO is standing with the American people?

You can view this video at:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tY569OsSnV0

But, my Friends, I have another question for you to consider.  If Obama is given another four years, without election concerns to restrict his actions -- as he boldly stated in the accidentally overheard "open mic" conversation with Russian President Medvedev -- what will he do to totally remove God, the Bible, our Christian faith, and the Christian people whom he stated, "cling to guns and religion" -- from America?

If you are a registered American voter -- with sincere prayer please consider how you will vote in November.  If you are not yet registered -- do you realize that by not voting, you are playing Russian Roulette with your, your family's, your children's, and your grandchildren's future.  

 

REGISTER TODAY!  AND, VOTE YOUR FAITH IN NOVEMBER!

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

...This venture toward an independent and free Christian life in America, an America governed and ruled by Biblically based faith and documents, which was begun in 1620 with the Mayflower Compact... (politics)

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The Puritans created a true godly paradise with a government based on the word of God so they could enforce and achieve a more godly society. Sounds wonderful, right? The kind of government and society that people like Bill want us to model. We're talking about a backwards patriarchal society fond of witch burning, among other godly and biblical things. For the Puritans, the duty of the government was to strictly uphold their own version of the One True Faith (sounds like modern Iran). In their society, government was the tool of God and crime and punishment was mandated by none other than God. Public torture, bodily mutilation, banishment and shaming were common. Judges (who were also the prosecutors & mostly worked without juries) believed that they had a right from their god to lead the accused, and society in general, down the godly path as literally exemplified in the Bible. Sounds like a wonderful place full of American freedom, doesn't it?? Good thing these bigoted religious zealots tried and failed at government 200+ years before the actual founding of our govenrment.

For kicks, check out the Biblically-based "capital lawes" under the Laws and Liberties of Massachusetts of 1647. These were the crimes that could cause you to lose your life in Bill's wonderful Puritan society (Hey, at least they didn't cherry pick). Remember all this when some idiot claims that a Biblical theocracy is necessary for a moral society.

1. If any man after legal conviction shall have or worship any other God, but the lord god: he shall be put to death. Exod. 22. 20. Deut. 13.6. & 10. Deut. 17. 2. 6.

2. If any man or woman be a witch, that is, hath or consulteth with a familiar spirit, they shall be put to death. Exod. 22. 18. Levit. 20. 27. Deut. 18. 10. 11.

3. If any person within this Jurisdiction whether Christian or Pagan shall wittingly and willingly presume to blaspheme the holy Name of God, Father, Son or Holy-Ghost, with direct, expresse, presumptuous, or highhanded blasphemy, either by wilfull or obstinate denying the true God, or his Creation, or Government of the world: or shall curse God in like manner, or reproach the holy religion of God as if it were but a politick device to keep ignorant men in awe; or shal utter any other kinde of Blasphemy of the like nature & degree they shall be put to death. Levit. 24. 15. 16.

4. If any person shall commit any wilfull murther, which is Man slaughter, committed upon premeditate malice, hatred, or crueltie not in a mans necessary and just defence, nor by meer casualty against his will, he shall be put to death. Exod. 21. 12. 13. Numb. 35. 31.

5. If any person slayeth another suddenly in his anger, or cruelty of passion, he shall be put to death. Levit. 24. 17. Numb. 35. 20. 21.

6. If any person shall slay another through guile, either by poysoning, or other such devilish practice, he shall be put to death. Exod. 21. 14.

7. If any man or woman shall lye with any beast, or bruit creature, by carnall copulation; they shall surely be put to death: and the beast shall be slain, & buried, and not eaten. Lev. 20. 15. 16.

8. If any man lyeth with man-kinde as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed abomination, they both shal surely be put to death: unles the one partie were forced (or be under fourteen years of age in which case he shall be seveerly punished) Levit. 20. 13.

9. If any person commit adulterie with a married or espoused wife; the Adulterer & Adulteresse shall surely be put to death. Lev. 20. 19. & 18. 20 Deu. 22. 23. 27.

10. If any man stealeth a man, or Man-kinde, he shall surely be put to death Exodus 21. 16.

11. If any man rise up by false-witnes wittingly and of purpose to take away any mans life: he shal be put to death. Deut. 19. 16. 18. 16.

12. If any man shall conspire, and attempt any Invasion, Insurrection, or publick Rebellion against our Common-Wealth: or shall indeavour to surprize any Town, or Townes, Fort, or Forts therin; or shall treacherously, & perfidiously attempt the Alteration and Subversion of our frame of Politie, or Government fundamentally he shall be put to death. Numb. 16. 2 Sam. 3. 2 Sam. 18. 2 Sam. 20.

13. If any child, or children, above sixteen years old, and of sufficient understanding, shall curse, or smite their natural father, or mother; he or they shall be put to death: unles it can be sufficiently testified that the Parents have been very unchristianly negligent in the education of such children; or so provoked them by extream, and cruel correction: that they have been forced therunto to preserve themselves from death or maiming. Exod. 21. 17. Lev. 20. 9. Exod 21. 15.

14. If a man have a stubborn or rebellious son, of sufficient years & uderstanding (viz) sixteen years of age, which will not obey the voice of his Father, or the voice of his Mother, and that when they have chastened him will not harken unto them: then shal his Father & Mother being his natural parents, lay hold on him, & bring him to the Magistrates assembled in Court & testifie unto them, that their Son is stubborn & rebellious & will not obey their voice and chastisement, but lives in sundry notorious crimes, such a son shal be put to death. Deut. 21. 20. 21.
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Originally Posted by CrustyMac:

Bill is very proud of the education he received in Sheffield.  Nothing has changed much since Bill's day in that school system, where Bill never learned the difference between New York and Connecticut. 


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And I guess RP has no right to express his opinion on this forum since he's not from Alabama originally. Even tho I'm sure RP has paid his fair share of Alabama taxes over the years and has contributed to the state one way or another.

BTW BG....how long have you lived on the Left Coast? What do you contribute to the Alabama community that qualifies you to make snide remarks on this forum.

Bill is very proud of the education he received in Sheffield.  Nothing has changed much since Bill's day in that school system, where Bill never learned the difference between New York and Connecticut. 

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Funny too, how bill is constantly trying to make fun of RP's "accent" when you consider who he's around all the time. I'll take a "new york" accent over that accent any day.

Ah, fuhgeddaboudit.

 

Actually I don't usually have an accent. Of any kind. Most southern New Englanders' dialect is pretty flat as far as accents go. Some sound like N'Yawkas, some like LonGislanduhs, some sound like VEHRmonters.. 

I'm a 're-plant' here in Alabama these days. Back in about 1974 when I last lived in The Shoals, I sounded very much like a southerner (having moved here from West Virginia, anyway). People in CT used to ask me what a "y'all" was when I first moved up there..

 

I told them it was "a small sailing vessel."

 

 

Hi O No,

 

David Barton is out sharing the Gospel, working to make people aware of our Christian heritage in America, working to tell people about their need of Jesus Christ.  In my mind, that fits pretty well with Matthew 28:19-20, Acts 1:8, and Mark 16:15.

 

Just curious, what have you done that is equal to what David Barton has done to share the Gospel?  That is, besides come on the forum and throw rocks at all the other Christians who are trying to share the Gospel? 

 

Oh, yes, all the atheists, secularists, agnostics, and other vanilla-flavored non-believers will pat you on the back and tell you what a great Christian you are.  But, have you really, sincerely, considered their motives for patting you on the back?

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Hi O No,

 

As I wrote in my earlier post:

 

Just curious, what have you done that is equal to what David Barton has done to share the Gospel?  That is, besides come on the forum and throw rocks at all the other Christians who are trying to share the Gospel?

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Bless My Friend Mouse

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quote:    Originally Posted by INVICTUS:

Lying weasels attract lying weasels, you just making your unholy rounds there, non william?  Insulting where ever you can.


Hi Vic,

 

My Friend, I truly enjoy your well thought out and intelligent comments.  With the level of intelligence found in your comments, you had better hope and pray that God grades on the curve.  Otherwise, you are in deep trouble.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Hi O No,

 

As I wrote in my earlier post:

 

Just curious, what have you done that is equal to what David Barton has done to share the Gospel?  That is, besides come on the forum and throw rocks at all the other Christians who are trying to share the Gospel?

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What have you done besides lie about everything you say, and

push people around as if you going to hit someone.

you haven't done anything except bully.

You're just a lying freak, an angry old fart that should be pitied.

 

 

 

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:
quote:    Originally Posted by INVICTUS:

Lying weasels attract lying weasels, you just making your unholy rounds there, non william?  Insulting where ever you can.


Hi Vic,

 

My Friend, I truly enjoy your well thought out and intelligent comments.  With the level of intelligence found in your comments, you had better hope and pray that God grades on the curve.  Otherwise, you are in deep trouble.

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What you enjoy is the truth you learn when you are dragged away

from the unBiblical confusion you call religion.

 

 

Hi Vic,

 

I would truly love to meet your Catechism teacher.  I wonder if he expresses himself with the same level of intelligence and with such astute comments -- as do you.  Did you really learn all of this in your Catechism lessons?  

 

When I attended Roman Catholic Catechism -- it was much different.   It makes me wonder if, when the Roman Catholic church changed from Latin to English in its mass, changed the dress code for the nuns, etc. -- did they also change the language and teachings of the Catechism?  Do they really teach what we all read from you on a daily basis?  If so, the Roman Catholic church has more problems than I realized.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Bill, come November rest assured that I shall pull the donkeys tail with all confidence the federal gummit will continue in separation of church and state and that the Republicans will continue to practice the art of thievery elected or not. The Democrats will remain steadfast as the champions of pity for the down trodden and demonstrate gumption that the economy cannot survive with the middle class working  for minimum wage.

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Hi O No,

 

David Barton is out sharing the Gospel, working to make people aware of our Christian heritage in America, working to tell people about their need of Jesus Christ.  In my mind, that fits pretty well with Matthew 28:19-20, Acts 1:8, and Mark 16:15.

 

Just curious, what have you done that is equal to what David Barton has done to share the Gospel?  That is, besides come on the forum and throw rocks at all the other Christians who are trying to share the Gospel? 

 

Oh, yes, all the atheists, secularists, agnostics, and other vanilla-flavored non-believers will pat you on the back and tell you what a great Christian you are.  But, have you really, sincerely, considered their motives for patting you on the back?

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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David Barton is a Liar for Jesus, a Holocaust denier, and shameless huckster.   He's not doing anything for Christianity but lining his pockets and pushing a political agenda.

Yes, Deep,

 

I have read of Jefferson's Bible.  But, was this just an exercise to better understand what the Bible teaches, to learn his favorite passages -- or to destroy the integrity of the Bible?  You and I do not know; so, based upon our personal biases, we each choose the one we believe fits. 

 

In my mind, possibly Jefferson may have had a problem similar to one I shared for years.  I became a Christian believer 25 years ago -- and right away pastors and Bible study leaders began to suggest that I memorize Scripture passages.    They would give us small decks of cards containing Scripture verses and suggest ways we could utilize them to actually memorize the verses and passages.

 

I could not.  For some reason, mental block or whatever, I could not.  The funny thing is that in the mid-1960s when I was called to our local Encino Playhouse theater to fill in for the actor who had been playing Professor Luigi (Pinocchio), but, suddenly did not show up for the performance -- I was given a script I had never seen at 10:00 AM and had to be ready for a 1:00 PM performance.   I did it.  Yet, for years, I have had trouble memorizing Scripture verses and passages.

 

But, when I joined the TimesDaily Religion Forum over five years ago (January 2007), and began to dialogue with you, Fish, Zip, and many others over the next five plus years -- I found myself subconsciously memorizing Scripture.  Many times, in conversations and in Bible studies, when I need it -- the right Scripture verse pops into my mind.  What I could not do through conscious effort -- I have been able to do through application, through applying those many Scripture verses to my writings and dialogues.

 

So, Deep, my Friend -- neither you nor I can say that this is not what Thomas Jefferson had in mind when he began his exercise of cutting up a Bible.  While I cannot say that he was just doing an exercise to better understand the Bible -- you cannot say that he was not.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Hi O No,

Just curious, what have you done that is equal to what David Barton has done to share the Gospel?  

Oh, yes, all the atheists, secularists, agnostics, and other vanilla-flavored non-believers will pat you on the back and tell you what a great Christian you are.  But, have you really, sincerely, considered their motives for patting you on the back?

Bill

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And what have you done to sincerely share the Gospel when you are always tearing others down? Have all the atheists, secularists, agnostics, & other vanilla-flavored non-believers told her what a great Christian she is or told her that she has a good heart?

How could the Atheist tell her what a great Christian she is if they don’t believe in Christianity? How can the agnostics tell her that if they’re not sure of any of it?

Will you tell us what the motives are of those that you say pat O No on the back? Evidently you know, so why don't you share?

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Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Hi O No, 

As I wrote in my earlier post:

Just curious, what have you done that is equal to what David Barton has done to share the Gospel?  That is, besides come on the forum and throw rocks at all the other Christians who are trying to share the Gospel?

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"Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye! Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye".

Those are not my words, Billy, those came from the Bible.

Are you implying that you’re a Christian that shares the Gospel? Just who are those “other Christians” you mention? Surely you don’t mean Vega & Gingee?

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Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Hi Vic,

 My Friend, I truly enjoy your well thought out and intelligent comments.  With the level of intelligence found in your comments, you had better hope and pray that God grades on the curve.  Otherwise, you are in deep trouble.

Bill

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Just as you think we enjoy your well thought out & intelligent comments?

I got news for you, Billy. God isn’t looking to see if a person is intelligent. He’s not looking for the level of intelligence a person has. He’s not looking to see how well a person speaks. He's not looking to see where he/she goes to church. He looks at that person's heart.

 

I’m sure you know about the scripture in Luke that speaks of a good man & that out of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaks? But what about the rest of it, the part about “an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil”? Do you understand what that scripture means?

It’s really sad that some of these folks believe you to be a Christian when all I see/hear is evil.

God is going to grade you on that curve too, & I sincerely believe you are definitely in deep trouble.

 

 

 

quote:   Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
Just as you think we enjoy your well thought out & intelligent comments?  I got news for you, Billy. God isn’t looking to see if a person is intelligent.  He’s not looking for the level of intelligence a person has.  He’s not looking to see how well a person speaks.  He's not looking to see where he/she goes to church.  He looks at that person's heart.

Hi Chick,

 

Good!  You are definitely on the right track!   God does indeed look into a person's heart.  Now that we have that established -- what is stopping you from making a commitment to God?   You know about Him; you know He loves you; you know He wants you to have eternal life.  So, what is holding you back?

 

And, please do not say it is because of Bill Gray -- or any other Christian you do not like.   Only a deranged person would allow dislike for another, or for others, to stop him/her from having eternal life with God.

 

That is like having the opportunity to grasp that golden ring, that eternal golden ring -- and refusing to do it -- because someone you do not like is watching.  Does that make sense?

 

My Friend, give God a try.   Put aside all past disappointments, heartaches, and barriers -- and walk into the eternal arms of God.   You will be so happy if you do. 

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Originally Posted by: Bill Gray

Good!  You are definitely on the right track!   God does indeed look into a person's heart.  Now that we have that established -- what is stopping you from making a commitment to God?   You know about Him; you know He loves you; you know He wants you to have eternal life.  So, what is holding you back?

And, please do not say it is because of Bill Gray -- or any other Christian you do not like.   Only a deranged person would allow dislike for another, or for others, to stop him/her from having eternal life with God.

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Bill, please! Have Dory get you to a psychiatrist & get medication for your NPD, it's getting worse.

 

WE have established nothing, that is something I've heard all my life. I know about Him; I know He loves me, I know He wants me to have eternal life???? How can I know that about someone I'm not sure exist? How can you keep lying & pretending like you know me? 

 

Again, Bill, & please let it penetrate your brain this time. 

I have told you many times that you are not important to me at all & have nothing to do with how I feel. I dislike anyone that is a hypocrite but they or you have no bearing on my life.

I'm not deranged but I'm not so sure about you.

Hi Chick,

 

You tell me, "WE have established nothing, that is something I've heard all my life.  I know about Him; I know He loves me, I know He wants me to have eternal life????  How can I know that about someone I'm not sure existHow can you keep lying & pretending like you know me?"

 

You are right, I do not know you personally.  All I know of you is what you write on the Religion Forum.  And, your writings are where my responses are targeted.  In person, you may be the nicest, sweetest person in the world.  That person I do not respond to -- for I have not and do not meet her on the forum.

 

You ask, "How can I know that about someone I'm not sure exist?

 

Now, that is something we can discuss.  Would you care to try?

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Hi Chick,

 

You tell me, "WE have established nothing, that is something I've heard all my life.  I know about Him; I know He loves me, I know He wants me to have eternal life????  How can I know that about someone I'm not sure existHow can you keep lying & pretending like you know me?"

 

You are right, I do not know you personally.  All I know of you is what you write on the Religion Forum.  And, your writings are where my responses are targeted.  In person, you may be the nicest, sweetest person in the world.  That person I do not respond to -- for I have not and do not meet her on the forum.

 

You ask, "How can I know that about someone I'm not sure exist?

 

Now, that is something we can discuss.  Would you care to try?

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Well semi, what is it you need, to start finding out about what

you aren't sure exist?

Originally Posted by INVICTUS:
Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
Originally Posted by INVICTUS:

 Well semi, what is it you need, to start finding out about what you aren't sure exist?

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There is nothing.

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That's exactly right, you have everything within you and you always have

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Vic, that may be the most beautiful, most profound thing I have ever read on this forum. Or anywhere else for that matter. God bless you!

 

 

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Hi O No,

 

As I wrote in my earlier post:

 

Just curious, what have you done that is equal to what David Barton has done to share the Gospel?  That is, besides come on the forum and throw rocks at all the other Christians who are trying to share the Gospel?

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Bless My Friend Mouse

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Bill, your questoin was not addressed to me, but I am going to answer it anyway.

 

I am thankful that I have not done things such as the disre****ble and conniving David Barton has done.  I am thankful that I have not been a sloppy pseudo-historian who has been shown without doubt to have made false claims concerning "quotations" of the Founding Fathers.  I have several times posted documentation that clearly shows Barton's trail of bogus quotations.

 

As to sharing the "gospel, " Barton is no better than all the other false teachers who propagate a "sinner's prayer" notion of salvation that is nowhere found in scripture.  Read all the cases of conversion in the Book of Acts and show me where any apostle, evangelist, teacher or other First Century Christian ever told any lost and alien sinner to pray about anything. It ain't there.

The Barton Lies: The Religious Right’s Favorite ‘Historian’ Gets Hit with a Dose of the Truth
http://thehumanist.org/july-au...a-dose-of-the-truth/

From the article:


Two Grove City College professors holding doctorates have just released Getting Jefferson Right: Fact-Checking Claims About Our Third President. Here’s even better news: the authors—Warren Throckmorton, a psychology professor, and Michael Coulter, a humanities and political science professor—are both conservative Christians.

This isn’t surprising; Grove City is hardly a bastion of liberalism. The Pennsylvania college is a private Christian institution where, according to its website, the “ethical absolutes of the Ten Commandments and Christ’s moral teachings guide the effort to develop intellect and character in the classroom, chapel, and co-curricular activities.”

Humanists might be interested in why two conservative Christians chose to write such a book. Their answer is refreshing: “The duty of Christians as scholars is first to get the facts correct. …  Engaging in scholarship as a Christian is not about who is on our team; it should have as an aim the uncovering the facts about a subject, whether it is a historical figure or a theory of social science, and following the data where they lead.”


Let me give you just three examples of Barton’s “scholarship” vs. the truth as explained by Throckmorton and Coulter:

1) Barton claims that Jefferson helped found the Virginia Bible Society. It’s not true. Jefferson made a one-time contribution to the Society because a business associate asked him to. In reality, Jefferson wasn’t too keen on Bible societies, criticizing them in letters to friends for meddling in the religions of other countries.

2) Barton says Jefferson added the phrase “In the Year of Our Lord Christ” to official government documents. This is bogus. The documents referred to were called “sea letters,” a type of passport that enabled ships to move between nations. By the terms of a treaty with Holland that was ratified in 1782, Jefferson was obligated to use language on pre-printed forms provided by that nation. Officials in Holland added the “Lord Christ” language.

3) Barton says that while Jefferson was a state legislator in Virginia, he proposed a bill that would have punished anyone who worked on Sunday. Did Jefferson do this? No, he did not. Jefferson was part of a committee charged with the task of revising Virginia’s law after the American Revolution. Rather than start from scratch, the committee took 126 existing laws and revised some of them. The committee’s work actually liberalized the Sabbath law. They added a huge loophole allowing work done “in the ordinary household offices of daily necessity, or other work of necessity or charity.” The law that Barton sees as favoring Christianity actually liberalized a provision that had been much more stringent.

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