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According to Pew, 28% of American adults have left the faith of their childhood for another one. And that does not even include those who switched from one Protestant denomination to another; if it did, the number would jump to 44%. Says Greg Smith, one of the main researchers for the "Landscape" data, churn applies across the board. "There's no group that is simply winning or simply losing," he says. "Nothing is static. Every group is simultaneously winning and losing."

How many times have you changed religions? Have you found what you are looking for? I started out Catholic, then Baptist, then Church of Christ, then a non-denominational church that was kind of Baptist in nature. Currently, I'm not sure. I guess I still haven't found what I'm looking for.
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I'm in the same boat with you. I haven't found a church yet that really fits what I'm looking for. I know I'll never be CoC again, not real big on Baptist thanks to Falwell, Dobson, and the like. Non-denominational are either too big or nothing more than spiritual pep rallies.

Not really sure what I'm looking for and it's hard to shake all those years of CoC where I was told everyone else is wrong. Trying a new church feels like walking in the liquor store before I was 21.
I grew up in a primative baptist church. On first Sundays, the church leadership washed everyone's feet, along with communion. Was kinda weird, but I could stomach it. During my teenage years, the church changed pastors. The new guy wanted everyone to partake in the experience of washing feet. I remember the first time I did it. The guy was 70 yrs old, had ingrown toenails, and nail fungus. Let's just say it changed my life for ever.

In college, I went to a missionary baptist church. Since then, I've attended mostly non-denominational churches. I need a great music ministry and an educated, articulate pastor that can disect the bible and share practical, life applications. The hooping and hollering is good to create 15 minutes of emotion, but does not feed me what I need. So I guess it's been more about the pastor than the denomination for me.
Hi Nash,

You say, "I'm in the same boat with you. I haven't found a church yet that really fits what I'm looking for. I know I'll never be CoC again, not real big on Baptist thanks to Falwell, Dobson, and the like. Non-denominational are either too big or nothing more than spiritual pep rallies. Not really sure what I'm looking for and it's hard to shake all those years of CoC where I was told everyone else is wrong. Trying a new church feels like walking in the liquor store before I was 21."

Actually, Dr. James Dobson graduated from a Nazarene seminary and, to the best of my knowledge, is still in the Nazarene church.

Dr. Jerry Falwell, when he graduated from a Baptist seminary, found an old cola bottling building and made it into a church. Then, he used a lot of shoe leather knocking on doors inviting folks to church. He started out in a half mile circle area just around the cola bottling church, then when he had personally saturated that area, he spread out to a one mile circle, etc. He put a lot of perspiration along with the inspiration in his efforts to bring his community to church.

Yes, he sometimes did what we all do once in a while: open mouth, insert foot. That only made him more like all the rest of us. It is just that when Dr. Falwell did it -- it was publicized.

Many non-denominational churches are small. Personally, I like small churches better -- for this makes for better, warmer fellowship. In a small church, when you walk in, you know everyone. "Hi, George. How are Mary and the baby doing?" I like that personal friendship touch; which is lost when you go into a church and you are one of 5,000 in the sanctuary.

As far as the "spiritual pep rallies" you mentioned; I believe that is more aligned with our Pentecostal brothers and sisters. Hey, if it makes them feel closer to God, more spiritual -- God bless them. As long as that church is teaching the Essential Biblical Doctrines -- hey, if they want to dance and sing loud -- more power to them.

Personally, I am more conservative; but, I have many Pentecostal Christian friends and praise God for their enthusiasm.

Should we shop for a church? If you are not currently a member of a local church; by all means, shop for a church where you will be happy worshipping the Lord and can be in fellowship with other Christians. But, in your shopping criteria, make sure the church you choose teaches the Essential Christian Doctrines: (1) Holy Spirit inspired writing of the Bible, (2) Inerrancy of the Bible, (3) the Trinity: God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit, (4) the deity of Jesus Christ: fully man, fully God, (5) the Gospel: virgin birth, crucifixion, resurrection, and ascension of Jesus Christ, (6) salvation by grace through faith in Jesus Christ, only, (7) heaven and hell do exist; they are real places, and they are the only two eternal destinations available to us. When you find a church that teaches these things -- welcome home.

If you are in a church; that is a different story. If the local church you are in is teaching anything other than the Gospel found in the Bible; the doctrines listed above -- look for a new church home. If a church ever tells me to pick up a rattlesnake to prove my faith -- so long, been nice knowing you!

And, let me add that any church that tells you that it is the only church -- and that you can only be saved through that church; find another church. The church that began on the Day of Pentecost, about 33 A.D., was a Christian church -- nothing else. No denomination, no worshipping anyone except God: Father, Son, Holy Spirit. That church taught the Gospel of Jesus Christ; that church taught salvation by grace through faith in Jesus Christ; that church is made up of all Christian believers. It is the body of Christian believers, the Bride of Christ -- and no single church is set aside as the only way to salvation. Jesus Christ is the only Way to salvation:
"I am the Way, and the Truth, and the Life; no one comes to the Father, but through Me" (John 14:6).

But, if you are in a church and not happy because a woman wears lipstick, or wears pants, or her husband dresses funny, or they have not asked you to teach Sunday School -- don't jump up and run. Pray about it, talk with your pastor about it if it really bothers you. But, keep in mind: I am sure that you, like me, have a few things we do that aggravate some other folks. None of us is perfect.

Matter of fact, I am quite sure that there is no church where you will find that everyone is perfect -- from your point of view. Might be a good time to take a look at your point of view, to see if it might not be a wee bit skewed.

I will close with this: A man is talking with the local pastor, and tells him, "Pastor, I would really like to come to your church. But, all the churches I have ever visited seem to be so full of hypocrites."

The pastor smiled and told him, "That is okay. You can come to our church. We always have room for one more."

Keep in mind that we go to church: (1) to worship God, (2) to study His Word and grow in our walk with Him, and (3) to have fellowship with like-minded Christian brothers and sister. Make that your goal -- and the other things which bother you will melt away.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill Gray
billdory@pacbell.net

Alabama bred,
California fed,
Blessed by God to be a Christian American!
quote:
Originally posted by Rhiannon:
Born and raised Mormon. Leaving THAT was a real trip.

I tried all kinds of things after that, just for fun, from Reform Judaism to Holy Roller Protestant. As far as a denomination, Unitarian is where I feel most comfortable. But I attend services purely for social reasons.


Which brings us to the obvious question, what do you get when you cross a Mormon with a Unitarian?



A knock on your door for no apparent reason. Smiler
quote:
Originally posted by Bill Gray:
Hi Nash,

You say, "I'm in the same boat with you. I haven't found a church yet that really fits what I'm looking for. I know I'll never be CoC again, not real big on Baptist thanks to Falwell, Dobson, and the like. Non-denominational are either too big or nothing more than spiritual pep rallies. Not really sure what I'm looking for and it's hard to shake all those years of CoC where I was told everyone else is wrong. Trying a new church feels like walking in the liquor store before I was 21."

Actually, Dr. James Dobson graduated from a Nazarene seminary and, to the best of my knowledge, is still in the Nazarene church.

Dr. Jerry Falwell, when he graduated from a Baptist seminary, found an old cola bottling building and made it into a church. Then, he used a lot of shoe leather knocking on doors inviting folks to church. He started out in a half mile circle area just around the cola bottling church, then when he had personally saturated that area, he spread out to a one mile circle, etc. He put a lot of perspiration along with the inspiration in his efforts to bring his community to church.

Yes, he sometimes did what we all do once in a while: open mouth, insert foot. That only made him more like all the rest of us. It is just that when Dr. Falwell did it -- it was publicized.

Many non-denominational churches are small. Personally, I like small churches better -- for this makes for better, warmer fellowship. In a small church, when you walk in, you know everyone. "Hi, George. How are Mary and the baby doing?" I like that personal friendship touch; which is lost when you go into a church and you are one of 5,000 in the sanctuary.

As far as the "spiritual pep rallies" you mentioned; I believe that is more aligned with our Pentecostal brothers and sisters. Hey, if it makes them feel closer to God, more spiritual -- God bless them. As long as that church is teaching the Essential Biblical Doctrines -- hey, if they want to dance and sing loud -- more power to them.

Personally, I am more conservative; but, I have many Pentecostal Christian friends and praise God for their enthusiasm.

Should we shop for a church? If you are not currently a member of a local church; by all means, shop for a church where you will be happy worshipping the Lord and can be in fellowship with other Christians. But, in your shopping criteria, make sure the church you choose teaches the Essential Christian Doctrines: (1) Holy Spirit inspired writing of the Bible, (2) Inerrancy of the Bible, (3) the Trinity: God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit, (4) the deity of Jesus Christ: fully man, fully God, (5) the Gospel: virgin birth, crucifixion, resurrection, and ascension of Jesus Christ, (6) salvation by grace through faith in Jesus Christ, only, (7) heaven and hell do exist; they are real places, and they are the only two eternal destinations available to us. When you find a church that teaches these things -- welcome home.

If you are in a church; that is a different story. If the local church you are in is teaching anything other than the Gospel found in the Bible; the doctrines listed above -- look for a new church home. If a church ever tells me to pick up a rattlesnake to prove my faith -- so long, been nice knowing you!

And, let me add that any church that tells you that it is the only church -- and that you can only be saved through that church; find another church. The church that began on the Day of Pentecost, about 33 A.D., was a Christian church -- nothing else. No denomination, no worshipping anyone except God: Father, Son, Holy Spirit. That church taught the Gospel of Jesus Christ; that church taught salvation by grace through faith in Jesus Christ; that church is made up of all Christian believers. It is the body of Christian believers, the Bride of Christ -- and no single church is set aside as the only way to salvation. Jesus Christ is the only Way to salvation:
"I am the Way, and the Truth, and the Life; no one comes to the Father, but through Me" (John 14:6).

But, if you are in a church and not happy because a woman wears lipstick, or wears pants, or her husband dresses funny, or they have not asked you to teach Sunday School -- don't jump up and run. Pray about it, talk with your pastor about it if it really bothers you. But, keep in mind: I am sure that you, like me, have a few things we do that aggravate some other folks. None of us is perfect.

Matter of fact, I am quite sure that there is no church where you will find that everyone is perfect -- from your point of view. Might be a good time to take a look at your point of view, to see if it might not be a wee bit skewed.

I will close with this: A man is talking with the local pastor, and tells him, "Pastor, I would really like to come to your church. But, all the churches I have ever visited seem to be so full of hypocrites."

The pastor smiled and told him, "That is okay. You can come to our church. We always have room for one more."

Keep in mind that we go to church: (1) to worship God, (2) to study His Word and grow in our walk with Him, and (3) to have fellowship with like-minded Christian brothers and sister. Make that your goal -- and the other things which bother you will melt away.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill Gray
billdory@pacbell.net

Alabama bred,
California fed,
Blessed by God to be a Christian American!


I would add another criterion: Does the church allow or accept the teaching of evolution?

If not, I don't want any part of it.
Hi Duck,

You say, "I would add another criterion: Does the church allow or accept the teaching of evolution? If not, I don't want any part of it."

If you are speaking of evolution in the sense that all species adapt within their particular specie -- then, I have no problem with that.

However, if you are speaking of a frog evolving into a horse; or a monkey becoming another Albert Einstein; or your cute little goldfish becoming a milk producing cow; or a single lifeless cell floating in some primordial swamp becoming an Abraham Lincoln -- then, I see a problem.

A church should teach the Bible. And, science being a subset of Creation, I have no problem with that discussion. Other than that, evolution, especially that defined by the Prophet Darwin -- has no place in the church.

If you are looking for that type of church; you might try the Unitarian Universalist church or some of the Seeker Friendly churches. They teach whatever you want to hear. Or you might try the Church of the Prophet Darwin; where you can talk evolution all you want.

But, in a Christian church we teach from the Bible and welcome all who want to know more about God and the Bible. If that is what you are seeking; then I know there are many good, solid Christian churches in the Shoals area who will welcome you with open arms.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill Gray
billdory@pacbell.net

Alabama bred,
California fed,
Blessed by God to be a Christian American!
Trader: There is a small place over in Littleville that you might like. They have services just about evry day of the week , you can get your choice of drink while you commune with your fellow parishoners, you can sit any where you like, and smoke anything you got.
It is called the Oasis.
I'm not trying to make you mad, I am just kidding with you.
Originally posted by T S C:
How many times have you changed religions? Have you found what you are looking for?

Changed religions? No. Changed the view of different denominations? Yes.
I was raised in a Presbyterian church. I married a Catholic. I have visited other denominations. I am just a Christian. Everybody needs to seek their own path and not judge others.
Hi MeanMama,

You say, "I was raised in a Presbyterian church. I married a Catholic. I have visited other denominations. I am just a Christian. Everybody needs to seek their own path and not judge others."

When you say, "I am just a Christian" -- I presume you mean that you have followed what Jesus told us in John 3:3, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God" -- and that you are a born again Christian.

But, with that assumption, that you are a born again Christian -- when you read, "Jesus said to him, 'I am the Way, and the Truth, and the Life; no one comes to the Father but through Me'" (John 14:6) -- what does this say to you personally?

To me, this tells me that Jesus is saying that He is the ONLY Way to have eternal life; not that there are many paths where one might be saved.

These Scripture verses tell me that I must be born again to be saved (John 3:3) -- and that the only path, or Way, to salvation is through Jesus Christ (John 14:6). What do these Scripture verses say to you?

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill
quote:
Originally posted by dogsoldier0513:
For 40 years, I was CoC. During the last 10 years' of that 'membership', I had TONS of questions about 'my faith'. It wasn't until I began attending a non-denominational church that I 'recognized' the CoC as a 'cult'(couldn't see the forest for the trees sort of thing). My wife and I now happily attend First Christian church.




Just asking, is the First Christian church a branch of the church of christ? I had heard it was.
quote:
To me, this tells me that Jesus is saying that He is the ONLY Way to have eternal life; not that there are many paths where one might be saved.



Bill,
You love to pick things apart. Jesus IS the only way for salvation but as long as the church you decide to attend teaches that, then the 'path' to Jesus may follow different church lines and beliefs as long as they all lead to the correct conclusion.

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