Skip to main content

Last night I watched a segment on 60 Minutes where they talked about the mosque being built in NYC. Up to this point I had been very adamant that I did not think it would help and would do little for the community. I also felt that I did not understand why they wanted the mosque to be built there. I did not understand some of the people on here who felt that it was OK to do it, and now I need to admit that I may have been wrong.
The building they had chosen for the mosque lies about three or four blocks from Ground Zero, it is not being built directly beside the site.
It is being built in a building which was an old Burlington Coat factory, no longer used, and was damaged by a set of landing gear which came thru the roof on 9-11. The building had been abandoned since that time. However, for the past three years, church services by a Muslim sect have been conducted there daily, and there have been no problems.
The man who bought the building and plans the center is married to a Chrsitian woman. He is the son of an Egyptian father and a Chrisitian mother. He got the idea from a Jewish Community center he is a member of. The Center which is planned is open to everyone and will include a daycare center, swimming pool, and two floors with a chapel.
The Imam who has been bastardized was interviewed and very truthfully pointed out that he wants to stand between the non-Muslim and the radicial Muslim extremists. He plans to add Jewish leaders and Christians to the BoD for the Center in order to try and bridge a gap of understanding between the two cultures.
I don't beleive that Islam is a crual religion. Certainly no more so than the anti-abortionist Crhistian who will kill "in the name of God". There are crazy people on both sides. If there is to ever be peace in this world, there will have to be understanding on both sides and maybe this is the first step.
So, to my liberal friends who tried to convince me there was nothing wrong with this project, I say "I am sorry that I doubted you". I truly believe that the intentions for this project is good. Since it is not directly across from the WTC I do not think it more of a slap in the face than the porno movie store which is even closer.
If I am wrong, so be it, but my heart was changed by what I heard from the people involved.
BTW, for those who did not know it. There was a chapel built at the Pentagon in a portion destroyed on 9-11. There is an afternoon Islamic service held there very frequently. If there is nothing wrong with this, why should it matter what happens four blocks from WTC?

Hillary in 2016?  Why not?  We've already had one "girly man" serving in office for the past 7 years, we might as well give her chance as well!

Original Post

Replies sorted oldest to newest

On that point I will disagree. It was made an issue by a conservative right wing blogger in New york who feels strongly against the mosque. They interveiwed her as well, and I see where she is coming from, BUT at the same time, what is being offered by the owner of the building is much better than what is there now, and will benefit more people. If she has a problem with worshippers at the site, she should have been complaining three years ago.
This is not a Fox News problem, it is problem with a difficult situation where people on both sides have valid arguments. I just wanted to point out to BeterNu, that after hearing what I really bleieve to be an honest interveiw with both sides, that there is no need for myself to feel strongly against the Islamic Center
s presence there in downtown NYC.
That all sounds good teyates, but two things. The Imam said we brought 9/11 on ourselves and as for religious tolerance, there are more than 100 mosques in New York City, so there's no religious tolerance issue here.

Juan, the prince has a 9% holding in News Corp which has over 100 different holdings. Not a major investor.
quote:
The Imam said we brought 9/11 on ourselves


People other than the Imam have also argued that American foreign policy contributes to anti-American attitudes world wide, and that those attitudes create people willing to engage in violence. None of them argue that we deserved 9/11 or brought it on ourselves. You don't have to agree with them, but they are making an argument that deserves some consideration. To boil it down to a catch phrase and then pass that off as an accurate description of something more complex is irresponsible at best, outright lying at worst.
quote:
Originally posted by b50m:
That all sounds good teyates, but two things. The Imam said we brought 9/11 on ourselves and as for religious tolerance, there are more than 100 mosques in New York City, so there's no religious tolerance issue here.

Juan, the prince has a 9% holding in News Corp which has over 100 different holdings. Not a major investor.

I am and will continue to be a Christian. I think however that what the Imam said in his interview is correct. We can go over and beat the crap out of these people in a war, which we will do, BUT unless we win the hearts and minds of them it will be a war that will continue forever. I am more convinced by the man who has provided the financial backing for this project that his intentions are good.
Will there be fanatics who will use this center for their benefit? I do believe they will, just like a large Chrisitian church can be used as a breeding ground for a crazed individual who will use his or her interpretation to justify their actions by blowing up an abortion clinic or killing a doctor, BUT if we in this country want to provide an atmosphere of freedom, which every conservative I know advocates, how can we deny them the right to build a facility and at least give them the opportunity to prove us wrong?
At first I thought this was a facility that would be only open to Muslims and was being built directly across the street, but it appears that is not the case. If I really support religious freedom and the people's right to express themselves, I cannto find fault with what they are trying to do here. Is should not be an affront to the Ground Zero monument. It cannot even be seen from there.
Teyates, your post says more about you than any I have ever read, I think on ANY forum. When a person takes the time to listen to both sides of an issue, then changes their stance, then PUBLICLY announces they were wrong, it shows they are a very big hearted, open minded, HONEST person. I congratulate you, and am proud to "know" you.

And for those who think I'm only saying this because I am a liberal, no, I am saying that ALL of us are likely wrong on SOMETHING, and it takes a big person to admit it when they find out they are. The sooner we ALL start coming together, compromising, and WORKING together, the sooner we will get this country back on track.
quote:
Originally posted by Reflecting One of the voices i:
quote:
Originally posted by teyates:
I don't beleive that Islam is a crual religion. Certainly no more so than the anti-abortionist Crhistian who will kill "in the name of God". There are crazy people on both sides.


PLease go to http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

As a Chirstian, I also know that Christianity is a religion of peace, yet I see people who commit atrocities in the name of God everyday. They are not truly Chisitians. I have friends who are from the Muslim faith. They were as shaken by what happened on Sept 11th as any of the rest of us.
The people who pulled the stunt on 9-11 were fanatics. Crazed, ill informed individuals who had perverted thier faith.
Do I beleive that Islam is a the true religion? I blelieve you must believe in Jesus Christ to be born again so until they do this I believe they are ill informed. But, how are we as brothers of God supposed to convince them if we think only the worst of them? Not every Muslim is a terrorist any more than every Baptist is an abortion clinic bomber? or a killer of Jews? or any other atrocity that has been committed in the name of God on our behalf. The people who killed Daniel Pearlman deserve an eternity in hell. The people who commandeered the airliners deserve the same, as do those who kill others in the name of God to justify their own sick and twisted thoughts.
I am not saying that each of you need to change your mind, but I think I have seen enough of both sides here to make mind up that we might should give this a chance. What we are doing now is certainly not doing us much good, is it?
Teyates,

I have not always agreed with you on the forums, but I can respect you more for what you have done here.

It truly takes a very good and intelligent person to retract or back down from a stance that they at one time believed in. It takes courage to publicly admit it.

The mosque is a hard call, but I feel as you do that they have every right and the intentions behind it are good. As Americans I believe it is our duty to make sure ALL our citizens have the same rights and opportunities. Not just the ones we agree with religiously.

I applaud you! And I may love you just a little. *giggle*
quote:
Originally posted by O No!:
Teyates, your post says more about you than any I have ever read, I think on ANY forum. When a person takes the time to listen to both sides of an issue, then changes their stance, then PUBLICLY announces they were wrong, it shows they are a very big hearted, open minded, HONEST person. I congratulate you, and am proud to "know" you.

And for those who think I'm only saying this because I am a liberal, no, I am saying that ALL of us are likely wrong on SOMETHING, and it takes a big person to admit it when they find out they are. The sooner we ALL start coming together, compromising, and WORKING together, the sooner we will get this country back on track.


What if they don't change their mind after openly listening to both sides? Is that person NOT honest, or "open minded"?
Mark, read my post again. I said that we are ALL wrong about some things, and that when a person ADMITS they were wrong, they are open minded and honest.

If you listen to both sides and DON'T change your mind, it doesn't mean you are DIShonest, it just means you were right all along.

The KEY is to LISTEN to both sides, not to close your mind. If we all did that, we just MIGHT be able to work together to make our world a better place.
quote:
Originally posted by b50m:
That all sounds good teyates, but two things. The Imam said we brought 9/11 on ourselves and as for religious tolerance, there are more than 100 mosques in New York City, so there's no religious tolerance issue here.

Juan, the prince has a 9% holding in News Corp which has over 100 different holdings. Not a major investor.


What if someone told a person around here (note the whole bible belt thing) that they couldn't build a church around here because there are already 100 of them anyway. Sounds stupid, no?

Add Reply

Post

Untitled Document
×
×
×
×
Link copied to your clipboard.
×