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The conversion of native Latin American peoples by Catholic missionaries was carried out strategically, being careful not to dislodge all vestiges of former "heathen" practices, thus smoothing the transition. Thus, various practices brought over from the pagan past have been incorporated into the versions of Catholicism currently practiced in many Latin American countries. Here is an example; there are many more:

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Originally posted by Howard Roark:
The same may be said for christianization of the Roman Empire, of Great Britain and Ireland. The pagans did much the same beforehand. What's the point!


The point is that numerous UN-scriptural practices have been incorporated into the belief and ritual of the Catholic church and into some Protestant churches as well. For those who do not care about adherance to scripture, there is no problem. For those who do care, these un-scriptural adaptations are an abomination!
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"(The diety "Max") is portrayed as a mustached man seated outdoors at a crossroads, wearing a black suit, red tie, and wide-brimmed hat.

Maximon symbolizes chthonic male sexual power. As an "opener of the way," his feast day falls at the onset of the fertile rainy season, but except for that day, his darker aspect leads his devotees to carefully guard his visage from public view, for fear that his sexuality may run rampant. "

No that would have been my kind of "festival" back when I could stay up past 9:00. A good ol "Max Fest" would make a believer out of anyone!
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Originally posted by LMM:
WE ALL KNOW THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS EVIL.
Just ask Mr. Bill.

It does not matter that all Christian denominations are split off from the original Roman Catholic Church.
Established app. 30 AD.


The church established in A.D. 30 or thereabouts is not the Roman Catholic Church. The church of the First Century did not have a Pope, Cardinals, a priesthood system or many other elements associated with Catholicism. The church of the First Century, as described in the New Testament, can be replicated wherever and whenever men decide to use the Bible as the sole guide to faith and practice. Take that New Testament and try to find the Catholic Church there and you will fail. You will fail to find such doctrines as the immaculate conception of Mary, her "perpetual virginity," purgatory, Lent, canonization of "saints,"and a whole host of other things. When the First Century church began to apostatize, many things foreign to the scriptures were brought in and over time there developed numerous bodies adhering to strange and unscriptural notions. But the church of the New Testament is still there, between the pages of the New Testament and wherever its teaching is faithfully practiced, and it is not the Catholic Church!
Just my personal opinion, but I don't think that "denominations" were ever part of God's plan. Just like in the early days of The Church (that would be first Christians mentioned in the Bible), we were supposed to be One Church. There was The Church in Antioch, The Church in Corinth, etc., but they were all The Church, brothers and sisters in Christ. Denominations are not ALL bad, but they do serve to separate The Church. I'm sure Satan grins every time he thinks of it.

JMHO
The Church is just one of the continuing reverberations of the Roman Empire.

As Rome had it's Emperor, the Church has its Pope. Kings became Cardinals, and barons became Bishops.

Other reverberations of the Roman Empire include our language, our system of politics, the notion of owning property, architecture, certain technologies (such as water, sewage, other public utilities, and roads), and the notion of "citizenship".

Those ideas have changed since Rome prevailed, but we cling to them after a modified fashion.

DF
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Originally posted by _Joy_:
Just my personal opinion, but I don't think that "denominations" were ever part of God's plan. Just like in the early days of The Church (that would be first Christians mentioned in the Bible), we were supposed to be One Church. There was The Church in Antioch, The Church in Corinth, etc., but they were all The Church, brothers and sisters in Christ. Denominations are not ALL bad, but they do serve to separate The Church. I'm sure Satan grins every time he thinks of it.

JMHO


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I agree, and they do that by adding human thoughts and ideas to God's.
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The Catholic Church traces its foundation to Jesus and the twelve Apostles.[30] It sees the bishops of the Church as the successors of the apostles and the pope in particular as the successor of Peter, the leader of the apostles.[31][32] Catholics cite Jesus' words in the Gospel according to Matthew, to support this view: "... you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church ... I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven. Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."[9][20][33] According to Catholic belief, this promised church was brought fully into the world when the Holy Spirit came upon the apostles in the event known as Pentecost.[32]

Some scholars agree that the Church was founded by Jesus and that the historical record confirms that it was considered a Christian doctrinal authority from its beginning.[15][17] Henry Chadwick cites a letter from Pope Clement I to the church in Corinth (c. 95) as evidence of a presiding Roman cleric who exercised authority over other churches.[34] Other scholars disagree with these interpretations. Eamon Duffy for instance, affirms the existence of a Christian community in Rome and that Peter and Paul "lived, preached and died" there,[35] but doubts that there was a ruling bishop in the Roman church in the first century, and questions the concept of apostolic succession.[36]

The Church believes that its mission is founded upon Jesus' command to his followers to spread the faith across the world:[17] "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you: and Lo, I am with you always, until the close of the age".[37][38][39] Pope Benedict XVI summarized this mission as a threefold responsibility to proclaim the word of God, celebrate the sacraments, and exercise the ministry of charity.[40] As part of its ministry of charity the Church runs Catholic Relief Services, Catholic Charities, Caritas Internationalis, Catholic schools, universities, hospitals, shelters and ministries to the poor, as well as ministries to families, the elderly and the marginalized
And the modern iteration of the Roman Church has but only superficial resemblance to the Pre-Tridentine Church. The Post-Tridentine Church has but scant and surface imagery left from Trent by Vatican I and II.

In short, this ain't the church of the Pope with an army in Central Italy and southern France and indulgences for money and saints' cults and Latin masses. This ain't even the Italian cardinals church of the Pope locked in the Vatican by the Italian Kingdom of the Savoys.

The dogma of Perpetual Virginity and the Immaculate Conception and of Papal Infallability when speaking ex cathedra are innovations of the Roman heirarchy only Lateran Council of 1877, which was in reaction to French abandonment of Papal state intervention and of the Italian Reunification.

The modern Vatican I and II councils subsequent future councils cannot to date find the audacity to renounce the effects of Lateran however, leaving the Protestants and Orthodox and Anglicans outside alongside the Copts and Churches of Syria and Armenia and the Old Catholics.
Hi all,

First, Joy wrote, "Just my personal opinion, but I don't think that "denominations" were ever part of God's plan. Just like in the early days of The Church (that would be first Christians mentioned in the Bible), we were supposed to be One Church. There was The Church in Antioch, The Church in Corinth, etc., but they were all The Church, brothers and sisters in Christ. Denominations are not ALL bad, but they do serve to separate The Church. I'm sure Satan grins every time he thinks of it."

Then, LMM wrote, "WE ALL KNOW THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS EVIL. Just ask Mr. Bill. It does not matter that all Christian denominations are split off from the original Roman Catholic Church. Established app. 30 AD."

And, Beter responded, "The church established in A.D. 30 or thereabouts is not the Roman Catholic Church. The church of the First Century did not have a Pope, Cardinals, a priesthood system or many other elements associated with Catholicism. The church of the First Century, as described in the New Testament, can be replicated wherever and whenever men decide to use the Bible as the sole guide to faith and practice.

Take that New Testament and try to find the Catholic Church there and you will fail. You will fail to find such doctrines as the immaculate conception of Mary, her "perpetual virginity," purgatory, Lent, canonization of "saints," and a whole host of other things. When the First Century church began to apostatize, many things foreign to the scriptures were brought in and over time there developed numerous bodies adhering to strange and unscriptural notions. But the church of the New Testament is still there, between the pages of the New Testament and wherever its teaching is faithfully practiced, and it is not the Catholic Church!"


Actually, the Christian church is catholic, if you consider that the meaning of the word catholic is "universal."

That is why I always refer to the church begun in the 300 AD period as the Roman Catholic church.

And, LMM, I have never said that the Roman Catholics are bad; just that most of them are not born-again; and personally have no knowledge of eternal security -- no one knowing, not even the Pope, if he/she will spend eternity in heaven. According to John 3:3, one must be born-again to see the kingdom of God. I am sure there are a lot of born-again Roman Catholics. But, then the question becomes: How long can they continue worshiping in a church which worships and prays to Mary and their Saints?

When I asked Dr. Tony Pezzota, who has advanced degrees in Roman Catholic theology from Rome, Spain, and England -- and who was head of the Roman Catholic Seminary in Manila for ten years, how long he stayed in Catholicism after being born-again; he told me, "Three hours." Many other folks stay longer; maybe even years.

I agree with what both Beter and Joy have said -- the Christian church was that body of believers which was begun on the Day of Pentecost -- and it had no denominations. It also acknowledged only God: Father, Son, Holy Spirit -- and had no other icons or figures of worship. The church then had no liturgy or rituals; preferring only to do as we are told in Acts 2:42, "They were continually devoting themselves to the apostles' teaching and to fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer."

This church had no vestments or robes; except the street clothes everyone wore. Their sole purpose was the worship of God, the following of Jesus Christ, fellowship with other believers, and sharing the Gospel of Jesus Christ with all who would hear. We need that church today.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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And, LMM, I have never said that the Roman Catholics are bad; just that most of them are not born-again; and personally have no knowledge of eternal security -- no one knowing, not even the Pope, if he/she will spend eternity in heaven. According to John 3:3, one must be born-again to see the kingdom of God. I am sure there are a lot of born-again Roman Catholics. But, then the question becomes: How long can they continue worshiping in a church which worships and prays to Mary and their Saints?

When I asked Dr. Tony Pezzota,


I looked up your Mr. Pezzota and we already discussed him about a year ago. As for Mary and the Saints, we discussed that too. Mr. Bill, there are more than just the Catholic church that has robes, vestments, adornment and such. Ever look at the backdrops on the TBN? Its gaudy. The Crystal Cathedral with Schuller(?) is gaudy.
You still have the Catholic church doing idolatry, which is so wrong. I'm not going over all that again.
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Originally posted by Howard Roark:
The same may be said for christianization of the Roman Empire, of Great Britain and Ireland. The pagans did much the same beforehand. What's the point!


The point is that numerous UN-scriptural practices have been incorporated into the belief and ritual of the Catholic church and into some Protestant churches as well. For those who do not care about adherance to scripture, there is no problem. For those who do care, these un-scriptural adaptations are an abomination!


Be as that may, you ain't taken away my Christmas tree.
"Abominations"? Do you mean like electric lights and microphones? The English language?

Or like tribulation and rapture and Miracle Manna and millionaire fat preachers in their porcine glory pontificating on the need for war against Iran and evil spirits; thus, the need to vote Republican to prevent the latest moral outrage to be foisted upon the unsuspecting children?

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