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Originally Posted by NashBama:
Originally Posted by Bestworking:

So to say that Jesus never existed and to believe the Horus comparison is to disregard a lot of facts and evidence.

 

So why disregard all of that before considering it?

 

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Horus myth/jesus myth-both myths. No reason to believe either one, but I can see how one led to the other.

That's the problem. The claim that there are similarities between the two has been completely debunked.

 

It's simply not true. It's not even close to being true, plenty of evidence proves this.

 

So again, why disregard all the evidence that proves Jesus actually existed and is not just a myth? Why hold on to a claim that is so easily debunked?

 

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:

If the Bible is to be believed, these are two of my favorite scriptures.

 

"For out of the overflow of the heart the mouth speaks"

 

"But I tell you that men will have to give account on the day of judgment for every careless word they have spoken".

 

Both of those pertain to Bill Gray.

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 Both of those apply to everybody.

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

So again, why disregard all the evidence that proves Jesus actually existed and is not just a myth? Why hold on to a claim that is so easily debunked?

 

Because there is no proof he existed and I don't believe in myths.

There is proof.

 

You've been given proof.

 

As I've said before, there is plenty more out there if you want to find it.

 

So again, why do you choose to ignore evidence and insist an urban legend passed around on the internet is true?

You have not given me any kind of evidence. You keep yelping about urban legend/internet rumor when I told you there are plenty of books and articles that have been written disputing the claim of a jesus. Those books and articles are not rumors, they are the opinions of the people who have studied and researched the claims and presented their findings and conclusions. You choose not to believe them so as far as I'm concerned 'nuff said. To keep asking why I don't believe the jesus myth, after I have explained to you why I don't, is pointless. Last time-I believe jesus/god is a myth. I don't believe in myths. ALL gods are myths, I don't believe in any of them. I didn't need the internet to come to my own conclusions.

If you believe that the Jesus/Horus comparison was made by scholars who have researched the subject, then you are mistaken.

 

It wasn't. It's a myth. An urban legend. A lie.

 

I gave you a very short article written by a non-Christian that completely debunked the comparison.

 

I also gave you credible, historical evidence that Jesus actually existed as a real person, unlike Horus. It was also written by a non-Christian.

 

I haven't quoted scripture. I haven't used the Bible once. Everything I gave you was from non-Christian sources.

 

Yet, for whatever reason you refuse to accept any of that and still insist on believing that Jesus is a recycled Horus despite the evidence against that claim.

 

So at this point I have to ask. What would you consider as credible evidence to prove this claim is baloney?

 

 

I remember in 5th grade I didn't believe Santa existed and I wanted to convince everybody.  Now in those days we didn't have forums so I had to resort to meeting with my G.I. Joes and Star Wars characters.  Eventually even inanimate objects grew bored with my so I developed a few new personas.  This enabled me to say the very same things in different ways sometimes even discussing the existence of Santa  amongst the "aliases" I created.  Two days later I moved on because even though Santa didn't exist, I wasn't bald.

Yet, for whatever reason you refuse to accept any of that and still insist on believing that Jesus is a recycled Horus despite the evidence against that claim.

 

So at this point I have to ask. What would you consider as credible evidence to prove this claim is baloney?

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First show me where I claimed jesus was a recycled horus. Show me. What I actually posted is that there are similarities in the tales/fables/whatever, and that I can see/understand how "one could lead to the other".  I then posted that ALL of the stories are about myths, myths plural, and that there is no  reason to believe one myth over the other. YOU keep harping about internet rumors that I "believe" and I pointed out that there has been a lot written and even shows on the history, discovery, etc channels about it for it to only be an internet rumor. Then you start trying to "prove" that jesus existed. I told you that there were as many sources that claimed he didn't exist as there were sources that claimed he did exist. I will add now that there are even some that say he existed but was just a man, nothing supernatural about him. So from that it seems you came to the conclusion that I believe horus existed but your jesus didn't. 

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

Yet, for whatever reason you refuse to accept any of that and still insist on believing that Jesus is a recycled Horus despite the evidence against that claim.

 

So at this point I have to ask. What would you consider as credible evidence to prove this claim is baloney?

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First show me where I claimed jesus was a recycled horus. Show me. What I actually posted is that there are similarities in the tales/fables/whatever, and that I can see/understand how "one could lead to the other".  I then posted that ALL of the stories are about myths, myths plural, and that there is no  reason to believe one myth over the other. YOU keep harping about internet rumors that I "believe" and I pointed out that there has been a lot written and even shows on the history, discovery, etc channels about it for it to only be an internet rumor. Then you start trying to "prove" that jesus existed. I told you that there were as many sources that claimed he didn't exist as there were sources that claimed he did exist. I will add now that there are even some that say he existed but was just a man, nothing supernatural about him. So from that it seems you came to the conclusion that I believe horus existed but your jesus didn't. 

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Simple. You asked a question when I said that the whole Jesus/Horus comparison is an internet myth.

 

"I just can't figure out why you would try to dismiss this as an "internet myth". "

 

I simply gave you information showing how flawed the recycled Jesus claim is.

 

I also provided evidence that shows Jesus actually existed. Not that He was divine or a God, simply that He really existed. That in itself separates Christ from mythology.

 

So far, you have refused all the evidence and explanations. That leads me to the conclusion that you are not interesting in knowing what's true. You want to believe what sounds best to you. You want Jesus to be a myth regardless of whether it's true or not.

 

That's your choice and I don't judge you for it.

 

I posted that information not just for you, but for anyone else who may be reading. That way others can see how flawed the recycled Jesus theory is.

Simple, YOU dismissed the similarities as an "internet rumor." I pointed out that it was not an internet rumor given that books had been written about it, shows done about it on the history, discovery, and other channels. Internet rumors don't get that. You can't show where I said jesus was a recycled horus. The BEST you can do is show my post where I said I can see how one could lead to the other. As for your "proof" that jesus existed, that is your opinion based on what YOU choose to believe. I do know what's true, jesus is a myth like they all are myths, but you choose to believe this certain myth over others. You keep harping on the horus/jesus argument and think that detracts from the claims that there was never a jesus. Won't work with me.  A myth is a myth, and it has nothing to do with what I want. You want to believe them that's on you. You also ignored what I posted about I'd go as far as to say some think he existed but that there was nothing special or supernatural about him.  As far as judging, of course you do. But I really don't care if you or anyone else thinks less of me because I don't buy into myths.

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

Simple, YOU dismissed the similarities as an "internet rumor." I pointed out that it was not an internet rumor given that books had been written about it, shows done about it on the history, discovery, and other channels. Internet rumors don't get that. You can't show where I said jesus was a recycled horus. The BEST you can do is show my post where I said I can see how one could lead to the other. As for your "proof" that jesus existed, that is your opinion based on what YOU choose to believe. I do know what's true, jesus is a myth like they all are myths, but you choose to believe this certain myth over others. You keep harping on the horus/jesus argument and think that detracts from the claims that there was never a jesus. Won't work with me.  A myth is a myth, and it has nothing to do with what I want. You want to believe them that's on you. You also ignored what I posted about I'd go as far as to say some think he existed but that there was nothing special or supernatural about him.  As far as judging, of course you do. But I really don't care if you or anyone else thinks less of me because I don't buy into myths.

 

Just because there is a book written about a subject, doesn't mean it's true.

 

There are plenty of books written claiming the moon landing was all a hoax. Even though there is plenty of evidence that proves that's just a myth, people still choose to believe it.

 

I did not ignore what you wrote. You missed my point. I'm not claiming that Jesus was divine on this thread, simply that there is historical evidence that proves He existed. I provided evidence to support my claim.

 

If you believe that Jesus never existed and that the similarities Deep posted are true, then you do believe in at least one myth. That's your choice.

If you believe that Jesus never existed and that the similarities Deep posted are true, then you do believe in at least one myth. That's your choice.

 

 

OK, explain how the story of one MYTH, having similarities to another MYTH, means I believe the other myth? That is the silliest thing I've ever seen you post and you have posted some silly things. That's like saying because one movie plot has similarities to an earlier movie's plot I believe the characters are real people and the movie is "true".  Dumb.

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

If you believe that Jesus never existed and that the similarities Deep posted are true, then you do believe in at least one myth. That's your choice.

 

 

OK, explain how the story of one MYTH, having similarities to another MYTH, means I believe the other myth? That is the silliest thing I've ever seen you post and you have posted some silly things. That's like saying because one movie plot has similarities to an earlier movie's plot I believe the characters are real people and the movie is "true".  Dumb.

 

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Easy.

 

One is not a myth.

Easy.

 

One is not a myth

 

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So because YOU don't think one is a myth, that means I must believe in the other? Even if I have posted over and over that they are BOTH myths? In other words if I don't believe in santa I have to believe in another fairy tale character? Is that what you're saying? You think everyone has to believe  something mythical, fanciful, imaginary?  You're just like the idiots that say an atheist worships satan. Never mind that atheists don't believe in satan either, and it would be crazy to claim he existed but your gawd doesn't. Rational thinking doesn't seem to be some christians strong suit and you and others keep proving that with your posts. 

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

Easy.

 

One is not a myth

 

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So because YOU don't think one is a myth, that means I must believe in the other? Even if I have posted over and over that they are BOTH myths? In other words if I don't believe in santa I have to believe in another fairy tale character? Is that what you're saying? You think everyone has to believe  something mythical, fanciful, imaginary?  You're just like the idiots that say an atheist worships satan. Never mind that atheists don't believe in satan either, and it would be crazy to claim he existed but your gawd doesn't. Rational thinking doesn't seem to be some christians strong suit and you and others keep proving that with your posts. 

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I've proven one is not a myth.

 

So to use your analogy, it's like comparing Alexander the Great to Santa Claus. History acknowledges one actually existed. The other is just a story.

 

It would be silly to say Alexander the Great never existed and is just a recycled myth, simply because one didn't like what he did. Wouldn't it?

 

A rational thinker follows the evidence where it leads.

In my opinion, and I think most will agree, it takes an idiot to think someone becomes mythological in 60 years.  All of a sudden? Best the world simply ignores that kind of BS. We are actually using you for entertainment on here. Do you sincerely think I give you any credit for being anything other than a fringe lunatic?

   We are gaming you darlin,. Wake up. LOL

It would be silly to say Alexander the Great never existed and is just a recycled myth, simply because one didn't like what he did. Wouldn't it?

 

 

 

What do you think your jesus did that I wouldn't "like"? There's that irrational thinking at work again. AND I don't think there are any historians out there questioning ATG's existence. You still didn't answer my question, why would I believe one myth over another?

Originally Posted by lexum:

In my opinion, and I think most will agree, it takes an idiot to think someone becomes mythological in 60 years.  All of a sudden? Best the world simply ignores that kind of BS. We are actually using you for entertainment on here. Do you sincerely think I give you any credit for being anything other than a fringe lunatic?

   We are gaming you darlin,. Wake up. LOL

Pfttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt. YIOAPORSS.

Originally Posted by lexum:

Best I can tell by your posts you are very shallow in your thinking.

   I’m going to say you are more than likely involved in some cult.

Your posts are always hate filled.

    The law is probably watching you

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How OLD are you anyway? A hundred? If the "law" is watching me it's to make sure you aren't skulking around my house.

Originally Posted by Bestworking:
Originally Posted by lexum:

In my opinion, and I think most will agree, it takes an idiot to think someone becomes mythological in 60 years.  All of a sudden? Best the world simply ignores that kind of BS. We are actually using you for entertainment on here. Do you sincerely think I give you any credit for being anything other than a fringe lunatic?

   We are gaming you darlin,. Wake up. LOL

Pfttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt. YIOAPORSS.

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IT'S true best. You can Pftttttttttttttttttttttttttttt if you want to.

Best, I answered your question.

 

One is not a myth.

 

I don't know what it is that you don't like about Jesus or Christianity. What is clear is that you're not a fan. So much so that you would choose to believe He never existed at all despite the evidence otherwise.

 

Generally, historians agree that Jesus did in fact exist. Not that His claims were true, simply that He existed and His execution led to the beginning of Christianity.

I'm not a fan of what people do in the name of religion. That is not hating your jesus or your god that YOU believe exists. I don't believe they exist so there is no reason to "hate" them. Again, I have a problem with the things done "in their name." All the hate, discrimination, trying to deny the rights of others that don't believe or don't believe the way you want them too, or don't live the lifestyle you think they should.  Wanting the BS taught in schools, this stupid 6000 year old earth mess, wanting to indoctrinate children with it, that's another problem. Wanting our country governed the way christians think it should be is another. The list goes on and on. It's not a "choice" to believe he never existed. And for the LAST time, I posted there are some that say he existed but was only a human, no supernatural or mystical things associated with him at all. I can't "say" it any plainer, I don't believe in myths. None of them, but for some reason known only to you, you think I must. Well if it's a choice, and I HAVE to believe a myth, all of them will have to step it up and do a lot better than they have so far to get me to believe in and "choose" them. Google myths, then go to the J's.

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