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Originally posted by StarryNight:
I hate to be the bearer of bad news Bill but you offend him on a daily basis!

Hi Starry,

Would you care to explain -- or are you only taking the typical atheist and non-believer attitude that "being 'offensive' is the best defense."

My Friend, I am all ears if you care to explain your comment.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Would you care to explain -- or are you only taking the typical atheist and non-believer attitude that "being 'offensive' is the best defense."

My Friend, I am all ears if you care to explain your comment.


No, its true! You really do offend me on a daily basis. Starry is completely correct. You offend me every time you refer to me as a Liberal, every time you blaspheme against the Eucharist, every time you tell me that I am walking on sand not the rock....yep, you offend me. But that's okay, because I do have strong shoulders and can hold my own.
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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by StarryNight:
I wanted to go to the parents of this young girl and tell them, "Please, teach your child to respect God!" But, of course, I could not do this; for I do not know her parents or their beliefs.


HA! So I guess you do all your bullying and preaching to people you can't see. That doesn't surprise me in the least.
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You offend me every time you refer to me as a Liberal,


sorry starry,
what I mean is he refers to my theological views as "liberal". I am with you on the liberal social views as in taking care of our lesser brethern, but theologically I am quite dogmatic, and he knows this, thats why he jabs the "liberal theology" knife at me all the time.....
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Originally posted by vplee123:
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Would you care to explain -- or are you only taking the typical atheist and non-believer attitude that "being 'offensive' is the best defense." My Friend, I am all ears if you care to explain your comment.

No, its true! You really do offend me on a daily basis. Starry is completely correct. You offend me every time you refer to me as a Liberal, every time you blaspheme against the Eucharist, every time you tell me that I am walking on sand not the rock....yep, you offend me. But that's okay, because I do have strong shoulders and can hold my own.

Hi VP,

Unless you have been promoted to Godhood; then no one was referring to you at all. Starry was telling me that I offend God every day -- and I wanted her explanation of that statement.

I know that I sin every day, as does everyone, and that offends God. But, that is not what she had in mind; at least, I do not think so. So, I was asking for her clarification.

And, then, voila! -- you promote yourself to the offended One.

Sorry, VP, wrong discussion.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally posted by StarryNight:
It amazes me that someone would be offended by being called a liberal. Look up the definition of liberal - we are concerned for the disadvantaged in our society, generous, and desire that all humans are treated with respect and dignity. Remember, Jesus was a liberal!

Hi Starry,

You obviously have no understanding of Liberal Theology and what this implies. Liberal Theology teaches that the Bible is only a book of allegories, symbolism, and stories; and not the inspired, inerrant, literal Word of God. In other words, to one in Liberal Theology, the Bible is a good guidebook -- but, not the Written Word of God.

Because of this -- Liberal Theologians can rewrite and reinterpret the Bible to fit their current societal desires and norms. In other words, they can adapt the Bible to fit their lifestyles and desires -- instead of following it as God's Written Word.

Conservative Christians view the Bible as the Holy Spirit inspired, inerrant, literal Written Word of God -- and it does not change to fit society; society changes to fit God's Word.

That is one major error in Liberal Theology.

The other is that they teach that one is saved by "works" -- in other words -- salvation comes through a Social Theology of good works.

Yet, Ephesians 2:8-9 tells us, "Forby grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God -- NOT as a result of works, so that no one may boast."

If you will notice, in this very definitive Scripture passage on salvation -- there are no "good works" -- no "social theology" -- for salvation is a "free gift" from God to all who will believe and receive this "free gift."

Was Jesus Christ a liberal? Not really. He was absolutely certain that Scripture is the Written Word of God -- for He quoted Scripture often. If it were not the Written Word of God -- why would He have continued to quote from it?

So, Starry, and you also, VP -- your leaders are giving you false teachings; for the Bible is the Sole Authority on salvation and on Godly Christian living.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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ah, you swear that you are taking the whole entire bible literally, yet we know this is not true.
You don't believe in the most important SOURCE AND SUMMIT- the Eucharist.
The BIBLE says "Take this, this IS my body. Do this in memory of me".

YET YOU SAY HE DIDN"T MEAN IT.
so you cant have it both ways. either it's literal or its not.
YOU are the one twisting things to suit your own believes.
also, the bible says "Not everyone who says to me Lord, shall enter the gates of Heaven" (paraphrase)
Yet you claim anyone who professes that Jesus is the Savior is "saved". So is the scripture contradicting?
Please explain to me how YOU determine which passages are literal. You keep stating that the bible is the "literal" Word of God.
I believe it= i believe several passages give us different messages...like through faith we are saved=but Jesus still expects much of us, after that. And don't tell me that will be fruit. You can't guarantee that for everyone.
Why, because I take the WORD OF GOD Literally, do you state that I have adopted a "liberal theology"?????
Because we rely on oral teachings? We don't claim that the bible is a guide book!
Stop speaking for other faiths, when you clearly don't understand them.
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s. Liberal Theology teaches that the Bible is only a book of allegories, symbolism, and stories


Which is exactly what YOU do when you take the words of the Last Supper and declare for yourself that Jesus didn't mean literally. Nowhere in any of the Gospels does it say this is a symbol. But YOU say Jesus meant for us to do it as a symbolic reminder.
Now, I don't want to start a new discussion on the Eucharist=
I am just pointing out that by definition, you are "guilty" of liberal theology too. You talk out of 2 sides of your face. You just hung yourself on your own "definitions"....
That's really nice of you. I hope it ends well too. But I would really like an answer to the question- WHO decides which parts of the "literal" word of God is symbolic? When there is no mention of symbolism in the text.
I am really trying to follow your logic. Help me understand.
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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
Hi VP,

Because you have asked a very good question -- an because this discussion is getting too long; I have begun a new discussion to answer your question.

You will find it in "When Is The Bible Literal And When Is it Symbolic?"

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill


IN other words,
" I'll tell you what to believe. follow me, or burn in hell"

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