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They have become known by many as the "ROCKPILE CATS" This "Colony of Stray Cats", live on the Muscle Shoals TVA Reservation at the Rock Pile Picnic and Boat Launch Area. They inhabit the small caves located in the rock facing on the bottom right as you enter into the launch area. Most of these cats at one time lived in a home and were taken care for a while. Some were gotten when they were small kittens and so cute. Once they became large, needed to be fixed or doctored, some individuals did not want to spend the money.Some belong to people who could not longer afford the animal, or were having to move to areas where pets could not be taken. Thus, by hook or crook they were brought to the rock shelter and dropped off to survive on their own. The Polite word given to them was "Feral" when if you really want to know what they are is "ABANDEON CATS" from so called "Humane Human Beings".

As the years have come and gone there have been a group of people who have started to feed the cats, see to their health needs as much as finances will allow and provide soft, warm bedding for them against the harsh winters.The Colony every year would vary in size from 2 or 3 up to as many as 15. Presently, there are about 10 to 12.

That is now in the process of coming to an end. According to Mr. R.J. Moore, TVA Regional Wildlife Biologist(256-386-3440),the powers to be in Knoxville, Tenn after receiving complaints from Birding associations, etc; have decided that Feral Cats on all TVA's Reservations have to be removed.

I met with Mr. Moore last week about what his orders were and if anything could be done to maintain the Colony as they have been there so long, and had actually become a draw for a lot of people to the particular launch area. His reply was afraid not. That TVA has already started moving the Feral Cats on their other reservations and he had orders to do the same with this Colony. He stated, he was willing to work with the individuals who have been taking care of them, and time enough to see if they could find other areas for them to reside. He felt that it was only fair to allow the group time enough to come up with a plan to move the cats before he had to act. If he had to act, the first thing would be signs posted that state, DO NOT FEED THE CATS. At the same time he would have all bedding and feeding containers removed regardless if this was winter or not. Anyone caught feeding or giving comfort to the cats would be fined. They would then hire a professional trapper to catch the cats. What their faith would be afterward he was not certain. He wanted it understood this was not his decision, but a directive that had to be carried out in a time frame that was reasonable.

First it is imperative for you the reader to understand the formal definition of a "FERAL CAT". A Feral Cat is a cat that was born from domesticated cats,yet has NEVER had human contact. By definition these Rockpile cats are NOT "Feral Cats". 98% of these cats were dropped off and are considered to be "STRAY CATS" by formal definition. These cats are use to human contact either from their formal environment or from the contact they have with the group of individuals who have fed them over the years.

We have now started the relocation of these cats, for if we do not, some will have find their future is very limited in time. Recently we have picked up two and gave them homes. It was discovered immediately these so called Feral Cats, loved to be held, cuddled, scratched, loved the children and would immediately curl up in the lap of the individual,and would on the first day use the litter box. This does not happen with REAL FERAL CATS.

Feral Cats hunt daily for food as they have no choice in order to survive. The Rock Pile Cats are so well fed, most are larger and bigger than cats presently living in some homes. The real proof of their not being a major danger to the surrounding wild life is they have living among them in the cave a "Chicken" which comes out and eats with them at feeding time. This summer there were two injured geese who would come over and eat with the cats. It is interesting to watch. Here you have a "chicken" or Geese who would be a meal ticket for "Feral Cats", but here at the Rock Pile Cave are living and co-mingling among these "Domesticated Stray Cats". I guess the cats, chicken or geese have not read up on our definition of what each is suppose to be or act toward one another.

I tell you this so you will understand that most of these cats would be a great pet for older people who need companionship, children, and would also be good cats for barns, sheds, etc;

HERE IS THE PLAN

We are in the process of taking the cats to a local Vet who has agreed to neuter or spayed them, check them for their health, give them the necessary shots,check for inserted chips, all at a discounted price. They will be marked in such away so the local vets will know they came from a colony, have been given their shots and neutered. We will then give the cat or cats to individuals who are willing to take one or as many as they can afford a home. The others not adopted will be taken to another existing "Cat Colony" and released into that Colony.

We need your help by:

Adopting one or more of the neutered, all required shots and health checked cat or cats

Giving us food, either can or dried.

Giving us blankets, soft bedding, etc for the existing cat colonies some will be moved too

Join our Group and contribute whatever you can afford, ( no amount to small) toward the cats welfare until we can find them a home.

We ask that you give up a pack of cigarettes, meal out, that coke or candy bar so we can use those funds to pay for the neutering and shots of these cats.

You can PM me and give me your email, or phone number and I will contact you.

Trader
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Call them "feral" or "stray" or "alley" or any other name you wish. Free-roaming cats are a menace to wildlife and the best habitation for them is the bottom of a weighted-down gunny sack in the bottom of the lake.

And shame on you if you take any left-overs among these cats and place them in some "Cat Colony." Those cat colonies consist of free-ranging predators of native wildlife and should also be eradicated. Such cats are all too plentiful, but gunny sacks are also abundant.

Native wildlife are suffering more than enough from pollution and habitat loss. They do not need more trouble coming to them from the misinformed rescue efforts of well-meaning but ignorant folks who care less for our NATIVE ANIMALS than for some scraggly feline predator.

Feral cats (free-roaming cats living in the wild, not controlled by human owners) are a major menace to wildlife and to the integrity of the natural environment. Such animals should be humanely eliminated. The links below give details on this serious environmental issue. From the first link below (other links are at the end of this post):

"The American Ornithologists' Union, American Association of Wildlife Veterinarians, International Association of Fish and Wildlife Agencies, National Association of State Public Health Veterinarians, Inc., and the Cooper Ornithological Society have concluded that feral, homeless, lost, abandoned, or free-ranging domestic cats are proven to have serious negative impacts on bird populations, and have contributed to the decline of many bird species. Worldwide, cats may have been involved in the extinction of more bird species than any other cause, except habitat destruction;"

http://www.audubon.org/local/cn/98march/cats.html

The Wildlife Society, a prestigious organization with a reputation for professionalism and scientific integrity, endorses the following measures:

<<<<The policy of The Wildlife Society in regard to feral and free-ranging domestic cats is to:
1. Strongly support and encourage the humane elimination of feral cat colonies.
2. Support the passage and enforcement of local and state ordinances prohibiting the public feeding
of feral cats, especially on public lands, and release of unwanted pet or feral cats into the wild.
3. Strongly support educational programs and materials that call for all pet cats to be kept indoors,
in outdoor enclosures, or on a leash.
4. Support programs to educate and encourage pet owners to neuter or spay their cats, and
encourage all pet adoption programs to require potential owners to spay or neuter their pet.
5. Support the development and dissemination of sound, helpful information on what individual cat
owners can do to minimize predation by free-ranging cats.
6. Pledge to work with the conservation and animal welfare communities to educate the public about
the negative impact of free-ranging and feral cats on native wildlife, including birds, small
mammals, reptiles, amphibians, and endangered species.
7. Support educational efforts to encourage the agricultural community to keep farm-cat numbers at
low, manageable levels and use alternative, environmentally safe rodent control methods.
8. Encourage researchers to develop better information on the impacts of feral and free-ranging cats
on native wildlife populations.
9. Recognize that cats as pets have a long association with humans, and that responsible cat owners
are to be encouraged to continue caring for the animals under their control.
10. Oppose the passage of any local or state ordinances that legalize the maintenance of "managed"
(trap/neuter/release) free-ranging cat colonies.
Approved by Council March 2006. Expires March 2011.>>>>

All this needs to be done wherever these amimals have established significant populations. In other words, what is needed here is SENSIBLE SLAUGHTER!


http://joomla.wildlife.org/doc...0&%20Free%20Ranging%

20Cats.pdfhttp://veterinarynews.dvm360.com/dvm/article/articleDetail.jsp?id=31506

http://www.unitedwildlife.com/AnimalsFeralCat.html
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[quote]Are these the same cats that blue's was talking about. Could you give directions on how to find these cats?[/quote]

I don't think they're the same cats. Blues was talking about (I think) some kittens at the Florence Harbor, under O'Neal Bridge, on the north side of the river. Trader's talking about a group of mixed adult and juvenile cats at the Rockpile...which is the TVA boat launch on the south side and downstream from Wilson Dam. It's accessed off the TVA reservation road, near the admin buildings.
Mr. B...

Thank you for your opinion...Now! If you would like to help just email me. If not, then allow us the freedom and dignity of going about our business of doing what we think is right without ridicule...

Your way leads to death...our way leads to an attempt to save the animals from having the misfortune of being adopted by human beings who thought of them as a piece of furniture they could throw out when no longer wanted.

We are making every attempt to see the ones adopted are healthy and neutered. I believe you should not have a problem with that...The others are going to be neutered and given there shots before being released back into other controled cat colonies.

They will be monitored and fed on a regular bases. Any sick ones will be treated or removed from the colonies.
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beternU, I assume you've never had a cat. Next to Homo Sapiens, Felis Catis is God's most perfect creation. Observing a cat at play is better than any sermon on the existence of God.

I feel sorry for your daughter. I have memories of my father feeding baby birds, squirrels, and kittens--not shoving an innocent animal in a gunny sack and drowning it.
I doubt that BNU has any feelings at all.

Do you also support the drowning of wild dogs and puppies that kill domestic animals or do you just hate cats?

I have had more damage from wild dogs than cats, and I have been charged by wild dogs in a pack.

I am a member of the Audubon Society myself and I have rarely seen a bird caught by a domestic cat. They can fly, you know.
Mr. B...

I grew up with a father who had the same attitude as you have...as a child we see things and then make a decision, whether we are going to be like that or never be or do something like that to an innocent animal.

I chose the latter as I never really understood that personal view of what I would refer to as a "devalue of life "simply because it is an animal which the individual does not particularly like.

To me that is a character flaw that was taught usually when they were a child. I really don't now where your attitude was derive, but it is one of cruelty and if caught doing would be a chargeable offense of which I would gladly sign the warrant.

If you claim to be a Christian in faith, then you need to revisit some of your teachings...one is we have be given dominion over animals not domination over animals. Just because it walks on four legs does not mean their life is any less than yours. By the way, I am not a Christian but I am spiritual and do my best to harm none.

Now! some would say so...but for me...in my career I have dealth with a lot of two legged animals and I would gladly take some of those spare gunney sacks for a few of them...
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Betternu is right to some extent but Trader is trying to find homes for the cats which makes betternu's point sort of pointless.

We have a city park here where the cats have killed every bird, chipmunk, and squirrel.

If homes can't be found the colony should be destroyed. In addition to the loss of wildlife they spread feline leukemia.
trader

It is not a matter of "an animal which the individual does not particularly like." The common rat that infests our cities and farms and spreads disease and causes hundreds of millions of dollars of economic losses annually is an introduced exotic species in North America. I believe it is entirely ethical to continue to kill as many of these vermin as we can, specifically because the rat IS "an animal which the individual does not particularly like," and for very good reason.

You say "Just because it walks on four legs does not mean their life is any less than yours." Do you apply this principle to the relative valuation of humans and rats, or does it appply only to species you consider worthy of protection? Lest you misunderstand here, I do not share your apparent view that cats and other four-legged animals are equal in value to human beings (and why would you limit this equality to four-legged beasts? Why discriminate against fish, simply because they have fins instead of feet?).
Some folks (e.g. PETA types) cling to this warped view of species equality, but most humans wisely reject it. If that makes me a "speciesist," then so be it.

I do not dislike house cats (Felis domesticus), per se. I do NOT want them introduced and maintained into natural habitats where they do not belong. Cats originated in Northern African or Mediterranean areas; they are not native to North America. They are dedicated predators of small animals, including birds and native rodents and when they are present in sufficient numbers, the seriously depredate populations of the native wildlife.

As to matters religious, I do not think there is anything ungodly or un-Christian about my desire to see the natural order preserved and protected. It is Man, not God, who has contaminated and compromised natural ecosystems by introducing into them exotic plants and animals that disturb natural equilibria and that sometimes result in extirpation or extinction of the native species. I think it a godly and Christian business to be a good steward of the environment as God has given it, to protect and preserve that environment as much as possible. It follows that manipulating natural systems by releasing harmful, destructive non-native species goes against that godly and Christian principle. There is nothing in the principle of "dominion over animals" or in any other precept of Scripture that constrains me to support the kind of aberration created when animals are destructively introduced where they do not belong.

The "domesticated cat" (and some would contend that this term is an oxymoron) can be maintained appropriately as a companion animal when it is prevented from exercising its destructive predatory instincts against desirable native species. That means KEEP YOUR CAT INDOORS. Free-roaming cats should all be rounded up and permanently relocated where they never again will be set at large to prey on native species. Relocating them to the status of 100% indoor house cat is ok by me. Otherwise, they should be relocated to a final resting place.
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Mr. B...

Putting an animal into a sack, weighted with a rock or block then throwing it into a body of water to drown ...Well! what else can I say that you have not already demonstrated in previous post. Words are simply manifestations of the inner heart for all to see the soul reveal itself.

Since you really don't have a clue about the RockPile Cats regarding their demeanor, where they come from, or their degree danger to any environment other than what you have read, I would prefer that you just say "Thank You" and go about your way.
I have never been able to understand the PETA/ Animal Lovers rabid campaign for putting "Animals" over "Humans"
Yes, domesticated animals should be free from abuse...After all, they're "Mans best Friend"...pets...whether it be cat...dog...gerble.
However, this massive "push" to "Save the Rockpile Cats", just amazes Me.
I have lived in a rural area, since 1986.
HUMANS...have dropped off...dogs...cats...etc. for years.
Not the animals fault...but, also, not MINE!
Had I taken all of these "drop offs" in? I would have had, by now, 6000 animals...unless they re-produced, then...?
I can understand your love for ...Tabby/Brutus...I have 4 Manx's (not by choice...by Wifes WILL)
But, could not these resources, for "Feral" cats, not be directed in a "Human" way?
If you want to be a "Do Gooder"...why not...visit the local "Community Action" centers? Shelters? Religious outreaches?
Take that $10-20 bucks you would buy CAT FOOD with...and donate it to an organization that helps HUMANS?
They're out there...you just need to figure out your "priorities".
trader offers the following:
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Posted 10 January 2010 08:21 PM Hide Post
Mr. B...

Putting an animal into a sack, weighted with a rock or block then throwing it into a body of water to drown ...Well! what else can I say that you have not already demonstrated in previous post. Words are simply manifestations of the inner heart for all to see the soul reveal itself.

Since you really don't have a clue about the RockPile Cats regarding their demeanor, where they come from, or their degree danger to any environment other than what you have read, I would prefer that you just say "Thank You" and go about your way. [QUOTE]

Drowning is a pretty quick and relatively painless way to die. If it is indeed against the law here to drown cats, I would not do it, since there are legal means of caticide available.

As to my knowledge on these environmental matters, I have had a 40-year career in the field of wildlife management and biological sciences. I have participated in organized exercises to eradicate pest species. I am well-enough aquainted with the rockpile area to know that maintaining a cat colony there is indeed a threat to native fauna. Your credentials seem to be your warm feelings toward the kitty cat species and your attitude seems to be inclined against the normal, natural functions of ecosystems as God created them. If you wish to favor destructive manipulation of natural habitats and to consider that somehow to be normal and beneficial, go for it. But the very great weight (even heavier than concrete blocks) of professional opinion as regards environmental management runs very strongly against you.

As to any alleged deficiency in my knowledge of where the rockpile cats come from, all I can say is, "SO WHAT?" It matters not from whence these exotic predators came. It is of much more importance to remove them permanently from where they do not belong!
Mr. B...
Drowning relatively quick and painless...! Wow! In order to know that you must have had one of those animals I am sure you have dispatched in that manner during your 40 year wild life and bio science experience come back in your sleep and tell you it was OK, it was not painless at all, so you could rest so much better.

Or maybe you just read about it somewhere and said to yourself , IMMMMMM! that sounds quick and painless...I wonder if I can get a degree in that..
Can you tell I am greatly impressed with your 40 year wildlife credentials. As we use to say in law enforcement, just because you carry a badge doesn't mean your a "Law Enforcement Officer" or even act like one...

That must be true about your wild life profession also...
Rum Runner...
You are right....a .22 would be much quicker that the old Mr. B's Gunney sack trick...and whole lot more humane...but then again, I get the impression humane doesn't inner into the though process of Mr. B in reference to this issue. After all he is experience in eradicating species which do not fit his selected view of how "God wants it done"... another example of having an education does not always equal intelligence or someone you would want in your house.

I didn't know being kind to animals was known as being a "Do Gooder"...Wow! now that is not a bad name to be called. It just comes natural to me...I'll make a deal with you...you take care of the public for a few years..I have already had my time in the ring...I'll just keep doing what I am doing...and we both can be happy..

Deal?
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Barfed out by trader:

[QUOTE]Rum Runner...
You are right....a .22 would be much quicker that the old Mr. B's Gunney sack trick...and whole lot more humane...but then again, I get the impression humane doesn't inner into the though[sic] process of Mr. B in reference to this issue...[QUOTE]


And thought[that seems to be what you meant] does not enter into the thought process insofar as your view of the matter is concerned. Good grief, man! I told you I had no objection with permanent adoption of these predators as indoor cats. But I have also given you plenty of documentation on the destructive activities of free-ranging cats, which you want to just blow off. Well, it does not blow off as easily as you might wish, since it is long-proven, established truth in the field of wildlife management. Cats are destructive of other wildlife when allowed to live in natural environments. They should therefore not be allowed to roam at will in such environments. It is loopy to contend otherwise. No "cat colonies" needed at the rockpile or elsewhere. Keep your cat inside at all times. End of story. Now either try to answer the very real objections I have made and documented or just bug off! I do not suffer fools gladly.
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Trader...Take care of the Public??
They are the "Humans"...they are not "Cats".
Tell ya' what...contact: St Vincents...Salvation Army...and about 30 other orginizations devoted to "Saving Humans"...
You can get a list, of MORE organizations...FREE at the DHR.
Contribute MONEY to help HUMANS! OK?
Do YOU know where that is?
Veterans Drive.
Look it up.
Save a HUMAN?
From SS97:

[quote]Trader,
Have you contacted P.A.W.S. of the Shoals?

BNU, cats are made for the outdoors. You never answered about the dog packs. That's OK?...I have rarely seen a bird caught by a domestic cat. They can fly, you know.
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No. Dogs sould be controlled by their owners and not allowed to roam onto properety ownmed by others or on public streets, parks, etc. Progressive cities and counties have laws that require this, and for good reason. I have seen the damage that free-roaming packs of dogs can do to deer and other wildlife and to domestic livestock and have personally, and with permission and totally within the law, shot and killed dogs roaming at large. And I have no regrets about that.

Yes, birds can fly, but some cats are nevertheless crafty and sneaky enough to capture such birds and destroy them. Also, it is well known that cats in rural areas prey on quail, which are ground-nesting birds. The young of quail are helpless against cats, since they can not fly. Same goes for kildeer, another ground-nesting bird. It has been amply confirmed by studies performed by wildlife experts that free-roaming cats kill a huge number of birds and small native mammals. This is indisputable fact. Eradication of such cats or their permanent removal to a confined location are the only acceptable methods for preventing cats from doing this kind of damage.

Cats were NOT "made for the outdoors" of North America, since they did not originate on this continent. They no more belong in the outdoors as free-ranging animals than do domestic hogs gone wild.
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FirenzeVeritas IGNORANTLY writes:

[QUOTE]beternU, I assume you've never had a cat. Next to Homo Sapiens, Felis Catis is God's most perfect creation. Observing a cat at play is better than any sermon on the existence of God.

I feel sorry for your daughter. I have memories of my father feeding baby birds, squirrels, and kittens--not shoving an innocent animal in a gunny sack and drowning it.[QUOTE]

You know nothing about my relationships with my children relative to animals--wild or domestic--so you can kindly shut down your ignorant and wrongheaded speculation on that point.

Your conclusions about Felis catus (correct spelling and capitalization here, as compared to your illiterate version) and matters theological are simply your opinions, and you are welcome to them, but there are animals on this planet far more lovely and interesting than the domestic cat or its free-roaming version, the bird-eating, small mammal-eating despoiler of natural environments.

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