...will be a whopping 2%. Coffee Health Group will get nothing. Please be kind to the people who help you while you're hospitalized. Lord knows they don't do it for the money.
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quote:...will be a whopping 2%. Coffee Health Group will get nothing. Please be kind to the people who help you while you're hospitalized. Lord knows they don't do it for the money. Roll Eyes
Ummm...if they don't do it for the money, then why are you posting about a measly raise?
"Trooper", because there was a thread awhile back about the pitiful pay of health care workers in the Shoals area. I'm sorry you feel the need to comment negatively about every thing I say. You've become a troll.
quote:"Trooper", because there was a thread awhile back about the pitiful pay of health care workers in the Shoals area. I'm sorry you feel the need to comment negatively about every thing I say. You've become a troll.
Just questioning the hypocrisy of your statement.
I bet they make more that me!!!
quote:Originally posted by NYTrooper:
Just questioning the hypocrisy of your statement.
How so? As I don't work for either hospital, and as the people who do are out a decent raise for yet ANOTHER year, and as I know people who work in both hospitals, it would seem to me that if they weren't commited to patient care and were in it for the money, they'd be leaving for greener pastures. What hypocrisy is there in that? Oh, never mind. You just like to argue for arguments sake anyway.
The problem is not the workers but the management.
My mom works at Keller and they spend around ONE MILLION DOLLARS per year in advertising alone. ONE MILLION DOLLARS. Go to any main intersection you will see a $2000 a month billboard for Keller or ECM. Then, look in today's paper and you will see $1,500 full page ad every other day. It is your money not theirs.
They have the nerve to poor mouth and talk of hard times. Shame, Shame on them. The bad thing is they are garnishing the wages of the poor, people like you and me, to spend it on advertising in this paper or for a billboard.
It's amazing. There are only two hospitals in the Shoals area, Coffee Health Group and Keller.
They could use these millions of dollars between the two of them to help the people that are really suffering.
My mom works at Keller and they spend around ONE MILLION DOLLARS per year in advertising alone. ONE MILLION DOLLARS. Go to any main intersection you will see a $2000 a month billboard for Keller or ECM. Then, look in today's paper and you will see $1,500 full page ad every other day. It is your money not theirs.
They have the nerve to poor mouth and talk of hard times. Shame, Shame on them. The bad thing is they are garnishing the wages of the poor, people like you and me, to spend it on advertising in this paper or for a billboard.
It's amazing. There are only two hospitals in the Shoals area, Coffee Health Group and Keller.
They could use these millions of dollars between the two of them to help the people that are really suffering.
quote:How so? As I don't work for either hospital, and as the people who do are out a decent raise for yet ANOTHER year, and as I know people who work in both hospitals, it would seem to me that if they weren't commited to patient care and were in it for the money, they'd be leaving for greener pastures. What hypocrisy is there in that? Oh, never mind. You just like to argue for arguments sake anyway.
Not in it for the money...just give 'em more of it...lol...goodun...
You're right trooper a lot are in it for the money. You do have a few that I think really want to help others, but for the most part, NO.
quote:You're right trooper a lot are in it for the money. You do have a few that I think really want to help others, but for the most part, NO.
I'm not saying whether or not they are in it for the money. I just though it strange that the OP would post griping because of a low RAISE...and then say they were not in it for the money. The math just doesn't work, if you know what I mean.
quote:Originally posted by morkfromork:
You're right trooper a lot are in it for the money. You do have a few that I think really want to help others, but for the most part, NO.
You couldn't be more wrong, morkfromork. I am not talking about doctors. I am talking about the real STAFF. You know, cafeteria workers, housekeepers, secretaries, file clerks, account clerks, patient care techs, security guards, etc. You think making 6.00 to perhaps 10.00 an hour (10.00 after many years, I might add) is doing it for the money? Bah. And Goof Troop, giving them more money is exactly what we ought to be doing. These workers are trying to support families on that 8.00 an hour. Shame on you. And if nobody would work for that, where would all the patients be that depend on them? These people have never had a decent raise and they are still plugging away. If they were in it for the money, they wouldn't still stay year after year. So, you think they don't deserve a raise?
NYtrooper,there IS such a thing as COST OF LIVING.Its on the rise by leaps and bounds,yet here are those of us who are making due with what we are presently paid. Now if you have a problem with healthcare workers wishing to be able to pay their bills remember that the next time YOU or a member of your family is in the hospital and are receiving poor care due to shortage of workers .Many good skilled people are leaving the area due to this situation.
Thanks smurph. I am glad someone sees my point. As far as "Trooper" goes, I have decided there is no use arguing with that fool. Unless smeone just gets really bored and wants to argue with a village idiot-type.
I'm sorry. I meant the management not the rank and file. My poor mother has slaved at HKM for years for peanuts.
quote:Originally posted by morkfromork:
I'm sorry. I meant the management not the rank and file. My poor mother has slaved at HKM for years for peanuts.
God bless your mother and tell her we, the patients, are truly thankful for her! For whatever she does, it affects us all. She is exactly the kind of person I am talking about!
Something you might want to ask is did administration and department heads get their bonuses for comming in under budget this year? Helen Keller is a not-for-profit hospital and if there is money left over from the past year it is spent out somewhere so they have a zero balance. When I worked there a few years ago, one year they gave out year end bonuses to employees.
Very good point. I think it should be public record.
quote:Originally posted by im4uhonee:
Something you might want to ask is did administration and department heads get their bonuses for comming in under budget this year? Helen Keller is a not-for-profit hospital and if there is money left over from the past year it is spent out somewhere so they have a zero balance. When I worked there a few years ago, one year they gave out year end bonuses to employees.
I don't know about department heads, administrators,etc. If raises and bonuses are given, that's exactly where they go, but morkfromork is right. They'd rather buy ads on big billboards, build empty parking lots ( like the one on Avalon), etc., than give their hard working employees even the standard cost of living increase.
One thing that everyone must remember is that they are not forced to work there. If you don't like the pay find work somewhere else.
The military is always hiring.
The military is always hiring.
quote:Originally posted by flotown79:
One thing that everyone must remember is that they are not forced to work there. If you don't like the pay find work somewhere else.
The military is always hiring.
No, they don't have to work there. You'd better be glad they do. Who would take care of you then , Flo, when you were ill? Who would clean your hospital room, prepare your food, change your sheets, check your vital signs, feed you and wipe your butt if you couldn't? Wait. That's right. You could call in the military.
NYTrooper would you want good care if you or your family had to be taken to either hosp in the area?
quote:Originally posted by SaltyDog:quote:Originally posted by flotown79:
One thing that everyone must remember is that they are not forced to work there. If you don't like the pay find work somewhere else.
The military is always hiring.
No, they don't have to work there. You'd better be glad they do. Who would take care of you then , Flo, when you were ill? Who would clean your hospital room, prepare your food, change your sheets, check your vital signs, feed you and wipe your butt if you couldn't? Wait. That's right. You could call in the military.
FYI I am in the military and have been for the last 13 years. I am saying if you don't feel you are fairly compensated find work somewhere else. Believe me there is always someone willing to do your job for less money, esp if they don't have a job themselves. Sometimes one needs to be thankful for the things they have. And as someone posted earlier if it is not about the money then why complain about money. If its not about the money then complain about the working conditions. You can't have it both ways. Heck a lot of people are under paid. They are not the only ones.
quote:Originally posted by flotown79:quote:Originally posted by SaltyDog:quote:Originally posted by flotown79:
One thing that everyone must remember is that they are not forced to work there. If you don't like the pay find work somewhere else.
The military is always hiring.
No, they don't have to work there. You'd better be glad they do. Who would take care of you then , Flo, when you were ill? Who would clean your hospital room, prepare your food, change your sheets, check your vital signs, feed you and wipe your butt if you couldn't? Wait. That's right. You could call in the military.
FYI I am in the military and have been for the last 13 years. I am saying if you don't feel you are fairly compensated find work somewhere else. Believe me there is always someone willing to do your job for less money, esp if they don't have a job themselves. Sometimes one needs to be thankful for the things they have. And as someone posted earlier if it is not about the money then why complain about money. If its not about the money then complain about the working conditions. You can't have it both ways. Heck a lot of people are under paid. They are not the only ones.
Sigh. Okay, Flo, so you don't think the people who do all the real work in the hospitals deserve to make over $8.00 an hour. That's about $720 every other week. Minus taxes, health care insurance, etc, that leaves about $500 a paycheck, or one thousand dollars a MONTH take home. Do the math. Could YOUR family live on that?
You still don't get the point. You just think people should quit. You know, you don't even live here. There just aren't that many jobs around here. If they quit and can't find work again, there's not much left except government aid. And you know what? The people on aid are far better off than the ones who will work for that $8.00 an hour. So, you propose that instead of asking and pushing for a deserved raise, people just quit? It's that thought process that has helped put this country in the economic state it's in now.
Flo...I personally am happy that I don't have your attitude about these people. What if they all decided to leave the area and go elsewhere...there would be no one to take their place. There are few, if any, in line looking for these jobs. The positions stay available for long periods of time until somebody just happens to not know what the rate of pay for that position is. Then, if they do accept the position, they don't usually stay after they see that the pay is not worth what the job entails. I challenge you to take a position as a patient care tech, or house keeping position in a hospital, better yet, a nursing home. Then restate your opinion.
quote:Originally posted by NYTrooper:quote:"Trooper", because there was a thread awhile back about the pitiful pay of health care workers in the Shoals area. I'm sorry you feel the need to comment negatively about every thing I say. You've become a troll.
Just questioning the hypocrisy of your statement.
When you compare what employees get to what the bosses get then Salty Dogs comment is anything but hypocritical.....
Head dogs are not only making salaries with your tax dollars...... they are making it by sueing the poor..... that is shameful no matter how anyone slices it.....
No your are missing my point. If you feel $8 per hour does not fairly compensate you, then find work somewhere else. But you better believe there are many people that would love to make $8 per hour in the Shoals area. No I could not raise my family on $8 per hour. I would not have a family if I was making $8 per hour. I certainly would not have children. You see these things have to be taken into consideration before starting a family.
Sunny you said it "take a position as a patient care tech" that means these people choose this profession. When you choose a profession you should know the pay for the area you live in. Now if they had to take pay cuts and now make $8 per hour that is a different matter. However, I promise you when they were in the HR department, they were explained their duties and how much they would be making. I have the same attitude to those in the military that feel that they are not fairly compensated. No one is forced to join the military anymore and no on is forced to be a patient care tech in the Shoals area. You see it is simple supply and demand. See growing up in Waterloo, I realized early that there are not the jobs I wanted there, so I moved to where good jobs were.
Sunny you said it "take a position as a patient care tech" that means these people choose this profession. When you choose a profession you should know the pay for the area you live in. Now if they had to take pay cuts and now make $8 per hour that is a different matter. However, I promise you when they were in the HR department, they were explained their duties and how much they would be making. I have the same attitude to those in the military that feel that they are not fairly compensated. No one is forced to join the military anymore and no on is forced to be a patient care tech in the Shoals area. You see it is simple supply and demand. See growing up in Waterloo, I realized early that there are not the jobs I wanted there, so I moved to where good jobs were.
Flotown...... sad thing is that right now there isnt a job market to speak of..... not up here in TN and from reading Al papers and forums.... not there either....
Ppl are just taking what they can get,,, but that shouldnt mean they have to choose life over life-threatening illnesses just because they dont have money..... it is a shame we put ppl in that situation..... especially when dealing with tax-paid,,, County-owned hospitals....
Ppl are just taking what they can get,,, but that shouldnt mean they have to choose life over life-threatening illnesses just because they dont have money..... it is a shame we put ppl in that situation..... especially when dealing with tax-paid,,, County-owned hospitals....
I see, Flo. You joined the status quo and jumped ship. You expect people who live here, who have families here, whose lives are deeply rooted here, to keep bending over and taking it instead of fighting for what is right and fair, honest and deserved. These people don't get merit raises. The "cost of living" raise is always across the board when it comes. If and when it does come, it isn't always even the normal 3%. Everything here is one the rise just like everywhere else. Housing, groceries, gas, utilities. 8.00 an hour doesn't buy what it did last year. There are no jobs. Everybody can't just quit and move or join the military.
What do you want me to do. I chose a profession that has deployed me 6 years out of the 13 I have been working. I can't complain because I chose that. Again I will say that there have not been great jobs in the Shoals area in many many years and one should consider that before starting a family there. The days are gone of being a "company man" because the company is now all about the bottom line. Do I have compassion? You bet I do. Now again if they are making $8 per because of cutbacks then I would certainly have a different tune. But if I signed the contract that stated I was going to make $8 dollars then I clearly knew what I was going to make.
A person should not have to choose between "life over life-threatening illnesses just because they don't have money." Again there are 5 professions that are always looking for people to join. And the medical benefits are pretty good too.
A person should not have to choose between "life over life-threatening illnesses just because they don't have money." Again there are 5 professions that are always looking for people to join. And the medical benefits are pretty good too.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by flotown79:
Do I have compassion? You bet I do. Now again if they are making $8 per because of cutbacks then I would certainly have a different tune. But if I signed the contract that stated I was going to make $8 dollars then I clearly knew what I was going to make.
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Agreeing to 8.00 an hour to start is one thing. You would expect NOT to be making, basically if not THE, same thing five years from now when the cost of living has increased so much. RIGHT?
Do I have compassion? You bet I do. Now again if they are making $8 per because of cutbacks then I would certainly have a different tune. But if I signed the contract that stated I was going to make $8 dollars then I clearly knew what I was going to make.
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Agreeing to 8.00 an hour to start is one thing. You would expect NOT to be making, basically if not THE, same thing five years from now when the cost of living has increased so much. RIGHT?
That was not mentioned at first. That is a whole different ballgame. If you have people working at the same job for five years and they have not made a dollar more per hour then yes that is a problem. This should have been stated in the beginning and I promise you my response would have been different because this is now a different issue.
So since this issue has now been explained in detail I would have to agree with you Salty Dog.
So since this issue has now been explained in detail I would have to agree with you Salty Dog.
What is a raise?
This thread sure turned out to be about the money...lawd but that is not why they work there...
Hey brainiac, this thread was ALWAYS about money. What does the title "Annual Raise for Keller Employess..." mean to YOU? You still can't see the forest for your nose hair, I see. Maybe I should have said that nobody expects to get rich working there, not that they don't work there for the money. Everybody needs to work for money unless they're independantly wealthy. What you don't understand is that the people who work there are dedicated to the public and many have worked there for years with little or no raises and they deserve a decent one for a change.
everyone entering the healthcare field know up front they are not going to get rich(well except for some drs). Its about being paid a decent LIVEABLE wage. Not one person in heathcare would last 2 yrs if they are only in it for money.
Salty,I have come to the conclusion you cannot talk rationally with irrational people,so i simply ignore all posts made by IT.
Salty,I have come to the conclusion you cannot talk rationally with irrational people,so i simply ignore all posts made by IT.
quote:everyone entering the healthcare field know up front they are not going to get rich(well except for some drs). Its about being paid a decent LIVEABLE wage. Not one person in heathcare would last 2 yrs if they are only in it for money.
Salty,I have come to the conclusion you cannot talk rationally with irrational people,so i simply ignore all posts made by IT.
Tell me how these 'healthcare' workers are any different than any other 'uneducated' worker?
Actually the work they do is 'directed' by the educated ones. Anyone off the street can do it.
quote:Lord knows they don't do it for the money.
Yes hun...they do...
You win, Goof Troop. Now run on and find a plowshare to beat your gun into, would you?
Don't expect any more responses from me, either.
Don't expect any more responses from me, either.
goof troop? that really hurts coming from someone named after a alcoholic drink...
quote:Originally posted by NYTrooper:quote:everyone entering the healthcare field know up front they are not going to get rich(well except for some drs). Its about being paid a decent LIVEABLE wage. Not one person in heathcare would last 2 yrs if they are only in it for money.
Salty,I have come to the conclusion you cannot talk rationally with irrational people,so i simply ignore all posts made by IT.
Tell me how these 'healthcare' workers are any different than any other 'uneducated' worker?
Actually the work they do is 'directed' by the educated ones. Anyone off the street can do it.
I have worked in healthcare for 26 years, I have a degree and constantly in training to continue my education. I believe that I should and I deserve a decent wage. I have gone through years of not getting a merit raise nor a cost of living raise. I truly love my job and helping people.. It would be a very sad world if not for those caring healthcare workers whether they work in patient care or not...