Now Ms. Rick Perry has gone on record that God told her that her husband should run for President.

This fatuous claim of revelation was reported tonight on the NBC Evening News.  Ms. Perry joins the host of deluded and deplorable phonies who try to validate themselves with the bogus claim that "God told me._____" (you fill in the blank).

 

I seem to remember that G.W. Bush made a similar claim.  What is it about these Texans' claims of being wired directly to the Almighty?  Have they been influenced by those Texas charlatans, Benny Hinn and John  Hagee, or what?

 

Give me a break!

I yam what I yam and that's all I yam--but it is enough!

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Originally Posted by Contendah:
I seem to remember that G.W. Bush made a similar claim.  What is it about these Texans' claims of being wired directly to the Almighty?  Have they been influenced by those Texas charlatans, Benny Hinn and John  Hagee, or what?

Give me a break!

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There are many "Christians" that act/talk as though they're wired directly to the Almighty, & they don't have to be from Texas to make that claim. We have one that wears the hat right here on this forum that makes that claim.

 

When a presidential candidate makes that kind of claim, I know that's the one NOT to vote for. 

Do you have a link contendah? Did she say god told her or did she say she prayed and felt that is the answer god gave her? It never fails to amaze me. You democrats claim to pray, and claim prayer works, yet turn right around and belittle a republican if they say god "gave them an answer." NOT defending anyone, just once more pointing out the hypocrisy of the left. 

Here's the link, I hope it works. To the left side, click on Politics, then click on Anita Perry.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032619/ns/nightly_news

 

She said with no leadership in Washington, she felt a tugging/pulling at her heart that her husband should run for President. Said she felt that God was speaking to her. I didn't hear that she actually said God told her.

 

 

 

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

Do you have a link contendah? Did she say god told her or did she say she prayed and felt that is the answer god gave her? It never fails to amaze me. You democrats claim to pray, and claim prayer works, yet turn right around and belittle a republican if they say god "gave them an answer." NOT defending anyone, just once more pointing out the hypocrisy of the left. 


No one said Perry shouldn't pray if he wants.  There is a big difference between saying he prays about it and this is what he feels is right for him and saying God told him to run.  Why stick all Democrats into a lump of hypocrites when she said it and he has too?  There is a big difference between the two points of view.  Praying about something makes sense if it is your belief system.  Saying God told me to is a whole different matter.

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
Originally Posted by Contendah:
I seem to remember that G.W. Bush made a similar claim.  What is it about these Texans' claims of being wired directly to the Almighty?  Have they been influenced by those Texas charlatans, Benny Hinn and John  Hagee, or what?

Give me a break!

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There are many "Christians" that act/talk as though they're wired directly to the Almighty, & they don't have to be from Texas to make that claim. We have one that wears the hat right here on this forum that makes that claim.

 

When a presidential candidate makes that kind of claim, I know that's the one NOT to vote for. 


I agree.  I want my president to come from a place of reason and compassion, knowledge, and logic, and not make his or her decisions based on his God telling him it was a good thing to bomb somewhere or push for laws that restrict others' freedoms.

Just to clarify, I wouldn't vote for a candidate who said her spirit guides, other gods, or astrologist told her she must run, or someone who said he needed to run to get rid of the religious people...lol.  It wasn't just the Christian God, although I have seen so many instances of Christian politicians trying to push their own beliefs on everyone else that it is particularly twitchy to me at this point.

No one said Perry shouldn't pray if he wants. There is a big difference between saying he prays about it and this is what he feels is right for him and saying God told him to run. Why stick all Democrats into a lump of hypocrites when she said it and he has too? There is a big difference between the two points of view. Praying about something makes sense if it is your belief system. Saying God told me to is a whole different matter.

 

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My point is what I posted. Religious democrats can say they pray and that god answered their prayers or they feel god wants them to do things. Republicans say the same and get attacked. Hypocritial. There is no difference whatsoever in the left wing religious nuts and the right wing religious nuts. That has been my position the entire time. Democrats use religion just as much as republicans but for some reason I can't see they get a "pass".

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Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi on May 6 addressed the Catholic clergyman at the Catholic Community Conference on Capitol Hill, where she attempted to use the Christian leaders' belief system to push her liberal agenda.

Pelosi remarked, “The cardinals, the archbishops, the bishops that come to me … say, ‘We want you to pass immigration reform,’ and I said, I want you to speak about it from the pulpit. Some (who oppose) immigration reform are sitting in those pews, and you have to tell them that this is a manifestation of our living the gospels.”

 

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

Do you have a link contendah? Did she say god told her or did she say she prayed and felt that is the answer god gave her? It never fails to amaze me. You democrats claim to pray, and claim prayer works, yet turn right around and belittle a republican if they say god "gave them an answer." NOT defending anyone, just once more pointing out the hypocrisy of the left. 

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This should amply supply your need:

 

"Anita Perry became tearful while recounting how her family sought spiritual guidance in the run-up the Texas governor’s announced candidacy. She said Rick was reticent to run because he hadn’t seen a direct sign from God.

“God was already speaking to me, but (Rick) didn’t want to hear it,” she said. “I said listen, you may not see the burning bush, but there are people seeing that burning bush for you. So he really took it to heart, he prayed about it.”

http://www.rationalskepticism....is-faith-t26221.html

 

<<<Here’s candidate Rick Perry’s wife, Anita, reflecting on her husband being “called by God” to run for the presidency:

 

<<<"She likened Perry's decision to run to encountering a 'burning bush,' a reference to the Biblical story of Moses receiving a sign from God.   And Anita Perry suggested that her jhusband's current difficulties were 'a test.'

 

Last week, someone came up to Rick and gave him scripture.  He said, 'Rick, I want to tell you God is testing you.'">>>>

http://youcallthatart.wordpres...eton-heston-he-aint/

 

Go to minute 5:32 and following of this video.  If you seek vapidity and boredom, watch the entirety of her blithering, rambling, pitiful whining. 

 

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032619/#44892421

 

I have no objections to prayer.  What I do object to is anyone's contention that he/she has received a personal sign or message directly from God. From  such claims proceed all kinds of deception,  charlatanry, and chicanery!

I have no objections to prayer. What I do object to is anyone's contention that he/she has received a personal sign or message directly from God. From such claims proceed all kinds of deception, charlatanry, and chicanery!

 

 

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Then you should have a problem with everyone in the world that claims they prayed and god "touched their hearts", "lead" them somewhere, or "told them the answer", which would be every christian.

 

Odd that they'd even write hymns about it.

 

 

In The Garden

By: Charles Austin Miles, 1913

I come to the garden alone
While the dew is still on the roses
And the voice I hear, falling on my ear
The Son of God discloses

And He walks with me
And He talks with me
And He tells me I am His own
And the joy we share as we tarry there
None other has ever known

He speaks and the sound of His voice
Is so sweet the birds hush their singing
And the melody that He gave to me
Within my heart is ringing

And He walks with me
And He talks with me
And He tells me I am His own
And the joy we share as we tarry there
None other has ever known

I’d stay in the garden with Him
‘Tho the night around me be falling
But He bids me go; through the voice of woe
His voice to me is calling

And He walks with me
And He talks with me
And He tells me I am His own
And the joy we share as we tarry there
None other has ever known

My father used to sing that a lot when I was little...funny you posted that and reminded me.  I remember thinking how interesting it was that he would sing that one minute and do things that weren't exactly nice the next. It always made me wonder what God was whispering in his ear..lol.

 

It came to mind when I was posting how every christian claims to talk to god and he talks to them, but like I keep saying, now all of a sudden the democrats figure they can use that against republicans. Another one I remember is:

 

Have a little talk with Jesus
Tell God about your troubles
He'll hear the faintest cry
And answer bye and bye
Feel the prayer wheel turning
Know that the fire's burning
Just a talk with Jesus makes it all right

Originally Posted by mary haddock:

THERE IS A GOD! ALL I SAY IS IF HE WANTS TO RUN SO RUN. WE NEED SOMEBODY THAT WE  KNOW THAT TRULY BELIEVES IN GOD AND LET GOD BACK IN OUR COUNTRY,OR GODS WRATH WILL UPON US,WHETHER  ANYONE BELIEVES IT OR NOT.WE DEFINTANLY NEED GODS HELP.

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I guess you forgot the discussion we had that posting in caps is a form of yelling at somene?

 

How do you know that Perry "truly" believes in God? I'm curious if God has whispered this bit of info in your ear?  Most politicians play the Christian card for votes.

Personally it doesn't bother me to hear someone say he or she talks to a guide, deceased relatives, Spirit, God, or gods or herself.  If praying, singing, dancing, drawing, meditating, yoga, Reiki, thinking, walking in nature or whatever helps a person center and balance himself, cool too.  If someone said I prayed on this and I feel it is right for me then I wouldn't be concerned either.

 

It's when a person says, "God told me to do x, y, or z" that bothers me.  My experience is that when people say that for one thing they tend to use it as reasoning to do other things that might not be very reasonable, fair, ethical, or right, and it can be a slippery slope.  I can say God told me I am the next leader of the country and believe that, but it isn't a very big step from there to, "God told me this law or that law isn't right and therefore I am vetoing this bill or insisting this be done whether it takes away freedoms or not  He said I have been sent here to change xyz to reflect His laws".  

 

I just want my government leaders to not be taking directions from and believing that s/he is specially sent here to reshape things to fit his religious views.  If I believe in astrology and I check my horoscope that is not a big deal, but if I decide I need to lead the US according only to what my astrologist told me about how I am chosen to lead the country into war and come out victorious or limit the rights of the people in some way, well that is a slippery slope too.  I would expect a leader to listen to experts on topics, consider alternative options, think about what is best for the people in the US, do whatever centers her, and then act based on that instead of the idea that s/he is the chosen one and God told her it was the thing to do.  

 

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
Originally Posted by mary haddock:

THERE IS A GOD! ALL I SAY IS IF HE WANTS TO RUN SO RUN. WE NEED SOMEBODY THAT WE  KNOW THAT TRULY BELIEVES IN GOD AND LET GOD BACK IN OUR COUNTRY,OR GODS WRATH WILL UPON US,WHETHER  ANYONE BELIEVES IT OR NOT.WE DEFINTANLY NEED GODS HELP.

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I guess you forgot the discussion we had that posting in caps is a form of yelling at somene?

 

How do you know that Perry "truly" believes in God? I'm curious if God has whispered this bit of info in your ear?  Most politicians play the Christian card for votes.


Good point, semi.  Many say that and who knows what they think?

 

This brings me to the question...

 

Why do we need a president who truly believes in God to lead our country?

I just want my government leaders to not be taking directions from and believing that s/he is specially sent here to reshape things to fit his religious views. If I believe in astrology and I check my horoscope that is not a big deal, but if I decide I need to lead the US according only to what my astrologist told me about how I am chosen to lead the country into war and come out victorious or limit the rights of the people in some way, well that is a slippery slope too. I would expect a leader to listen to experts on topics, consider alternative options, think about what is best for the people in the US, do whatever centers her, and then act based on that instead of the idea that s/he is the chosen one and God told her it was the thing to do.

 

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That's what I want too, be they democrat or republican, and right now they both use religion, just differently.

Jennifer, if you can't see that Pelosi asking Cardinals and Bishops to talk to their flock about immigration reform is a WHOLE lot different from "God told me to run", then it's simply because you don't WANT to.

 

This is why I asked you (although you refused to answer) how you can reconcile your atheism and your politics. It is a FACT that many Republicans want to bring God inot politics. It is also a fact that Dems in general, do NOT want religion and politics mixed.

Originally Posted by mary haddock:

THERE IS A GOD! ALL I SAY IS IF HE WANTS TO RUN SO RUN. WE NEED SOMEBODY THAT WE  KNOW THAT TRULY BELIEVES IN GOD AND LET GOD BACK IN OUR COUNTRY,OR GODS WRATH WILL UPON US,WHETHER  ANYONE BELIEVES IT OR NOT.WE DEFINTANLY NEED GODS HELP.

 

Holy $#&*ing $#&*!!!!!

 

Caps-Lock Assault Rifle!!!!

 

 

You "DEFINTANLY" need help with spelling and syntax..

 

Yes'm.

 

Originally Posted by Road Puppy:
Originally Posted by mary haddock:

THERE IS A GOD! ALL I SAY IS IF HE WANTS TO RUN SO RUN. WE NEED SOMEBODY THAT WE  KNOW THAT TRULY BELIEVES IN GOD AND LET GOD BACK IN OUR COUNTRY,OR GODS WRATH WILL UPON US,WHETHER  ANYONE BELIEVES IT OR NOT.WE DEFINTANLY NEED GODS HELP.

 

Holy $#&*ing $#&*!!!!!

 

Caps-Lock Assault Rifle!!!!

 

 

You "DEFINTANLY" need help with spelling and syntax..

 

Yes'm.

 

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You're right Pup, There's most of us that need help in all areas and too many

haven't a clue about it.

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

I have no objections to prayer. What I do object to is anyone's contention that he/she has received a personal sign or message directly from God. From such claims proceed all kinds of deception, charlatanry, and chicanery!

 

 

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Then you should have a problem with everyone in the world that claims they prayed and god "touched their hearts", "lead" them somewhere, or "told them the answer", which would be every christian.

Not so.  Mrs Perry likened her message from God to the burning bush event in the book of Exodus. That was an extraordinary and miraculous call  from God to Moses.  Not quite like someone praying and feeling like they got what they asked for.

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

I didn't say getting what they "ask for". Read my post again. Christians have been saying "god told them so and so" ,or they "talk to god" and "god answers" for as long as I can remember. That includes democrats as well as republicans.

 

 

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I do whatever my Rice Krispies tell me to do.

 

They're always saying stuff like "Crap! Snopple! Prak!"

 

(They're a lil' bit stale...)

Originally Posted by Road Puppy:
Originally Posted by mary haddock:

THERE IS A GOD! ALL I SAY IS IF HE WANTS TO RUN SO RUN. WE NEED SOMEBODY THAT WE  KNOW THAT TRULY BELIEVES IN GOD AND LET GOD BACK IN OUR COUNTRY,OR GODS WRATH WILL UPON US,WHETHER  ANYONE BELIEVES IT OR NOT.WE DEFINTANLY NEED GODS HELP.

 

Holy $#&*ing $#&*!!!!!

 

Caps-Lock Assault Rifle!!!!

 

 

You "DEFINTANLY" need help with spelling and syntax..

 

Yes'm.

 


are you perfect roadpuppy? sometimes we hit the wrong keys.at least you read what i wrote.rep.or demo. America needs help period. and who other than god can help us.If you know of anyone please let us know.

Originally Posted by Jennifer Bestworking:

 Odd that they'd even write hymns about it.

 

In The Garden

By: Charles Austin Miles, 1913


I come to the garden alone
While the dew is still on the roses
And the voice I hear, falling on my ear
The Son of God discloses

 

And He walks with me
And He talks with me
And He tells me I am His own
And the joy we share as we tarry there
None other has ever known

 

He speaks and the sound of His voice
Is so sweet the birds hush their singing
And the melody that He gave to me
Within my heart is ringing

 

And He walks with me
And He talks with me
And He tells me I am His own
And the joy we share as we tarry there
None other has ever known

 

I’d stay in the garden with Him
‘Tho the night around me be falling
But He bids me go; through the voice of woe
His voice to me is calling

 

And He walks with me
And He talks with me
And He tells me I am His own
And the joy we share as we tarry there
None other has ever known


Hi Jennifer,

 

Isn't  that a beautiful hymn?  It is one of my favorites -- and every single word of it is true.  That is the beauty of the song.   Yes, such peace, such comfort, such eternal security.

 

Jennifer, with all my heart -- I wish the words of this song upon you and your life.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Originally Posted by mary haddock:
Originally Posted by Road Puppy:
Originally Posted by mary haddock:

THERE IS A GOD! ALL I SAY IS IF HE WANTS TO RUN SO RUN. WE NEED SOMEBODY THAT WE  KNOW THAT TRULY BELIEVES IN GOD AND LET GOD BACK IN OUR COUNTRY,OR GODS WRATH WILL UPON US,WHETHER  ANYONE BELIEVES IT OR NOT.WE DEFINTANLY NEED GODS HELP.

 

Holy $#&*ing $#&*!!!!!

 

Caps-Lock Assault Rifle!!!!

 

 

You "DEFINTANLY" need help with spelling and syntax..

 

Yes'm.

 


are you perfect roadpuppy? sometimes we hit the wrong keys.at least you read what i wrote.rep.or demo. America needs help period. and who other than god can help us.If you know of anyone please let us know.

Nope. I'm not perfect, but I make every effort to be.  All the time.

 

If you sit around bizzatching and waiting for something "magical" to help America-you'll find yourself very old and still waiting for the Great Pumpkin.

 

"We" are the only ones who can help our country.  "We" voted the current brand of crazies into office and "we" can vote them right the #$&* back out and hopefully get somebody in there who knows what he or she is doing.

 


 

but who can we trust roadpuppy? they all get up and make promise's that they can't do anything about.we have a bunch of money hungry leaders,i live from pay check to pay check,and it is a struggle,because there are no pay raise to keep up with higher food,light bills,etc.to be honest i don't know what is true anymore.but i still believe there is a god.i'm not perfect,but i try to be the best i can be.no hard feelins toward you.

Originally Posted by mary haddock:

THERE IS A GOD! ALL I SAY IS IF HE WANTS TO RUN SO RUN. WE NEED SOMEBODY THAT WE  KNOW THAT TRULY BELIEVES IN GOD AND LET GOD BACK IN OUR COUNTRY,OR GODS WRATH WILL UPON US,WHETHER  ANYONE BELIEVES IT OR NOT.WE DEFINTANLY NEED GODS HELP.

 

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So the God you believe in is so impotent that mere men can kick Him out of this country?

Get real, Mary, God is not the wimp you envision. He is still around.

 

Constitutionally respecting the religious rights and beliefs of others does not equate to removing God from anywhere.  You no doubt are among those who would return government-directed, government-controlled prayer to public school classrooms.  I am amazed that so many conservatives who want the government out of their private business are nevertheless willing to let government into that most private and personal business of prayer to God and to allow government to tell public school children WHEN to pray, to WHOM to pray, for WHAT to pray, and in WHOSE NAME to pray.

 

Consistency is a indeed a jewel!

i know my god is still around.and i for one think the bible ought to be taught in school as a suject,for anyone that wants to study it.i know your gonna say thats what church is for..no i don't like the government running my life,its seems we have no choice anymore.sometimes i wonder why we even vote,who ever some people want in office is who gets it.we are in a mess in america. i hope god see's fit to bless us some way,but if we continue to turn our backs to him,he is not going to bless our country.

You can "teach" the bible in your home mary, or yes, in your church. Leave other peoples kids alone about it. If they want their children taught from a fictional book they can do it. If you want someone good to govern this country concentrate on the man instead of religion.

Originally Posted by mary haddock:

i know my god is still around.and i for one think the bible ought to be taught in school as a suject,for anyone that wants to study it.i know your gonna say thats what church is for..no i don't like the government running my life,its seems we have no choice anymore.sometimes i wonder why we even vote,who ever some people want in office is who gets it.we are in a mess in america. i hope god see's fit to bless us some way,but if we continue to turn our backs to him,he is not going to bless our country.


I am happy that you are content with your religious choices and that you feel your God is caring for you.  The funny part is though, that you don't seem to see that if the government did say we should have Bible study in schools there would be many problems created and it would be intrusive government interference.  If the Bible is taught then all the other religious books would have to be as well, and then parents would be pulling students out right and left.  Would you want your kids to study the Qu'ran or Jewish law instead of doing their math or studying Norse Gods or whatever the flavor of the week would be?  I bet not since you want them to learn about your God and your choice of holy book,, and also your personal interpretation of the Bible as well.

 

And of course those who were atheists or agnostics or who didn't want some person in a classroom doing what they might perceive as wasting time on fairy tales, so then you would have another whole segment wanting their kids out.  I have a suggestion that might work better.  How about the parents who want their kids to have religious education at school just choose the private school of their choice and send their children there instead?    That way your kids can study the Bible all you want them too and the kids of parents who want their kids to go to school for socialization and academics can teach their kids whatever they want at home.  You wouldn't be turning your back on God, so really you should be fine, and those who don't choose to worship him won't be required to turn their backs on what they believe.

 

I agree sometimes it doesn't seem to matter how we vote and it is really discouraging...sigh.  But the tides bring in some leaders you might want one time and ones I might like another time, so I guess it all evens out in the end as long as everyone is ethical.  That is a scary thought for another thread, but I would say that we just do the best we can and live our lives the way we believe is right...it's all I can personally think of to do besides support each other and turn to each other instead of becoming more divisive.

Originally Posted by mary haddock:

i live from pay check to pay check,and it is a struggle,because there are no pay raise to keep up with higher food,light bills,etc.to be honest i don't know what is true anymore.but i still believe there is a god.

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I'm sorry you have to struggle but why is God allowing you to struggle? From what I hear some people say, God answers prayers so maybe you should try praying for the struggle to end.

Originally Posted by mary haddock:

i know my god is still around.and i for one think the bible ought to be taught in school as a suject,for anyone that wants to study it.

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If that's what you want, enroll your children in a Christian school. You do have a choice.

quote:   Originally Posted by Jennifer Bestworking:

You can "teach" the bible in your home mary, or yes, in your church. Leave other peoples kids alone about it. If they want their children taught from a fictional book they can do it. If you want someone good to govern this country concentrate on the man instead of religion.


Hi Jennifer,

 

If you will read Mary's post, you will find that she wrote, "I for one think the Bible ought to be taught in school as a subject -- for anyone that wants to study it."

 

In other words, it would be an Elective Course.   So, your children could NOT elect to take the course -- or YOU could forbid them from taking the course.   When I was in school at Sheffield, typing was an elective course.  I took it -- and today I am happy about that decision.

 

Some children ELECTING to take a course in the Bible -- may, just as well, in later years appreciate the fact that it was offered.  How can you complain about a course on the Bible being ELECTIVE?  Or is it that you want to forbid ANYONE from studying the Bible.  If you will be honest, I believe we would find that is your real goal; not just protecting children from Elective Courses in school.

 

Jennifer, if you want to be an atheist and deny God; that is your choice.  God bless you.  However, why would you deny others the right to study the Bible, as an Elective, if that is their choice?

 

Do you hate God so much -- that you want to forbid everyone from worshiping Him or reading His book?

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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