Originally Posted by frog:
Originally Posted by mary haddock:

i know my god is still around.and i for one think the bible ought to be taught in school as a suject,for anyone that wants to study it.i know your gonna say thats what church is for..no i don't like the government running my life,its seems we have no choice anymore.sometimes i wonder why we even vote,who ever some people want in office is who gets it.we are in a mess in america. i hope god see's fit to bless us some way,but if we continue to turn our backs to him,he is not going to bless our country.


I am happy that you are content with your religious choices and that you feel your God is caring for you.  The funny part is though, that you don't seem to see that if the government did say we should have Bible study in schools there would be many problems created and it would be intrusive government interference.  If the Bible is taught then all the other religious books would have to be as well, and then parents would be pulling students out right and left.  Would you want your kids to study the Qu'ran or Jewish law instead of doing their math or studying Norse Gods or whatever the flavor of the week would be?  I bet not since you want them to learn about your God and your choice of holy book,, and also your personal interpretation of the Bible as well.

 

And of course those who were atheists or agnostics or who didn't want some person in a classroom doing what they might perceive as wasting time on fairy tales, so then you would have another whole segment wanting their kids out.  I have a suggestion that might work better.  How about the parents who want their kids to have religious education at school just choose the private school of their choice and send their children there instead?    That way your kids can study the Bible all you want them too and the kids of parents who want their kids to go to school for socialization and academics can teach their kids whatever they want at home.  You wouldn't be turning your back on God, so really you should be fine, and those who don't choose to worship him won't be required to turn their backs on what they believe.

 

I agree sometimes it doesn't seem to matter how we vote and it is really discouraging...sigh.  But the tides bring in some leaders you might want one time and ones I might like another time, so I guess it all evens out in the end as long as everyone is ethical.  That is a scary thought for another thread, but I would say that we just do the best we can and live our lives the way we believe is right...it's all I can personally think of to do besides support each other and turn to each other instead of becoming more divisive.

i understand what you are saying,guess i didn't realize what i was saying,yes i will stick to the god  and jesus i believe in.yes everyone has their own beliefs,but it is my nature to want people to go to heaven,because i believe there is one,i don't push my beliefs on anyone,to those that don't believe what if there is a hell and heaven,what then,? the bible i read says every knee shall bow.

Bill, "speaking" for mary? No bill, I don't hate your god. Your god doesn't exist. And as crusty ask but you will ignore, what else will be taught in school? Are you willing to bring in the book of mormon, the koran, scientology, wiccan, and all other religions? Who will teach the bible bill? What denomination will the "teacher" be? Will they "teach" in your bible class that the earth is only 6,000 years old while they are being taught in another class that it is indeed millions of years old? So bill, you that know everything but know nothing at all, tell us how that would work. Who would pay the teachers bill? Do you expect taxpayers to foot the bill, or will churches finally do what they should have been doing all along and start paying taxes?

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:
quote:   Originally Posted by Jennifer Bestworking:

You can "teach" the bible in your home mary, or yes, in your church. Leave other peoples kids alone about it. If they want their children taught from a fictional book they can do it. If you want someone good to govern this country concentrate on the man instead of religion.


Hi Jennifer,

 

If you will read Mary's post, you will find that she wrote, "I for one think the Bible ought to be taught in school as a subject -- for anyone that wants to study it."

 

In other words, it would be an Elective Course.   So, your children could NOT elect to take the course -- or YOU could forbid them from taking the course.   When I was in school at Sheffield, typing was an elective course.  I took it -- and today I am happy about that decision.

 

Some children ELECTING to take a course in the Bible -- may, just as well, in later years appreciate the fact that it was offered.  How can you complain about a course on the Bible being ELECTIVE?  Or is it that you want to forbid ANYONE from studying the Bible.  If you will be honest, I believe we would find that is your real goal; not just protecting children from Elective Courses in school.

 

Jennifer, if you want to be an atheist and deny God; that is your choice.  God bless you.  However, why would you deny others the right to study the Bible, as an Elective, if that is their choice?

 

Do you hate God so much -- that you want to forbid everyone from worshiping Him or reading His book?

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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Oh, Bill, there you go again twisting words and trying to make others seem hateful or controlling.  The reality is YOU are twisting things again and saying things that just aren't true.

 

The Bible and other books are offered as a course of study in some places of higher education as true electives, so if a person chose to take it there it is available.  Where did anyone ever say that those who believe in the Bible (or other religious books) shouldn't be allowed to study them?  You can twist words and make up things all you want, but we all know no one here said children shouldn't be allowed to read or study the Bible.  That is just silly and if you are honest with yourself you will admit that.

 

All anyone is saying is that besides the logistical nightmare of trying to accommodate all faiths in your religious school elective programs, there is no need for studying the Bible in a public school.  Any parent who wants a child to study the Bible can do so and you totally and absolutely know that.  Parents send their children to Christian or whatever other faith schools for that reason, and you know that.  What do the children do in Sunday school and all the other times they go to church???  

 

If a parent wants to have a child study Bible or whatever else from morning until night, all weekend, and every other time s/he is free to do so of course, but you knew that already.  There is NO need for a Bible elective course in public schools at all since there is ample opportunity for any parent to teach it according to whatever the family's particular interpretations may be outside school.  Public school isn't for that and you know that.  It's just another opportunity to get in some digs at anyone who doesn't agree with you.  No one is denying children a chance to study the Bible and you know it...lol.  How about you try being honest with yourself instead of trying to make others seem to have an agenda that you made up in your head?

 

I could ask you as you asked...do you hate religious freedom so much that you actually believe that it would be appropriate to teach the Bible in public schools when they have so much else they need to learn during those hours already and the Bible is available for anyone to learn at all other times of the day?  Do you need to compare taking typing to studying a religious text in order to make your point?  It isn't the same thing and you know it.  What would you be saying if it was another religious book that was chosen to study instead of the one you believe is the right one?

 

So go get your kids to take elective Bible courses at a church, church school, home, Christian college, or wherever you like...except public school.  I think you would find that most people don't care what you or your kids read, but just that one religion's book isn't treated as "THE ONE" and taught in school.  You can't get away with your twisting...no one said anything you said s/he did and you know that in your heart if you are honest with yourself.

Originally Posted by frog:

Oh, Bill, there you go again twisting words and trying to make others seem hateful or controlling.  The reality is YOU are twisting things again and saying things that just aren't true.

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That's the know it all way of the hat wearing Bill Gray.

Hi Frog,
 
You tell me, "All anyone is saying is that besides the logistical nightmare of trying to accommodate all faiths in your religious school elective programs, there is no need for studying the Bible in a public school."

 

Frog, in school the children are required to study English -- but, they can ELECT to also study French, Latin, etc.   There is never a call to offer ALL world languages as ELECTIVES -- only a select few -- the important ones.   So, yes, schools can cover all bases by offering ELECTIVE classes in the Bible and another in the CULTS.  This would cover all the other religions.  Actually, most schools do offer a class in World Religions.   I was asked to speak at one of our local colleges in their World Religion class.   I will be happy to share that PowerPoint presentation with you if you like.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:
Hi Frog,
 
You tell me, "All anyone is saying is that besides the logistical nightmare of trying to accommodate all faiths in your religious school elective programs, there is no need for studying the Bible in a public school."

 

Frog, in school the children are required to study English -- but, they can ELECT to also study French, Latin, etc.   There is never a call to offer ALL world languages as ELECTIVES -- only a select few -- the important ones.   So, yes, schools can cover all bases by offering ELECTIVE classes in the Bible and another in the CULTS.  This would cover all the other religions.  Actually, most schools do offer a class in World Religions.   I was asked to speak at one of our local colleges in their World Religion class.   I will be happy to share that PowerPoint presentation with you if you like.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill


Oh seriously, surely you know that teaching a language to children does contribute to their education and future ability to become employed and communicate, and you do know that religion is NOT the same as a language at all, but you don't want to admit there is a difference.  Religion is simply a personal interpretation of beliefs, and I wouldn't want a class in Atheism taught either since it is part of a personal belief system.  

 

You are seriously blind if you don't see that many other religions of the world see Christianity as a cult and would argue that YOU might think yours is one of the important ones, but others may not.  You talked at a college?  Wow, how awesome!  That doesn't make your religion any more right or "the only" one, you know.  I think it's awesome to have a World Religions class in college, but NOT in anything below that since kids can go get that at home/church if the parents desire (and ours have and will continue to).  They are old enough in college to at least begin to understand that your view is just that...your view, and they have hopefully  received the tools they need to process the professors'  information as a study of literature and not a religion class that tells them there is one way to think more clearly than at younger ages.  They or the parents pay for whatever they learn and if they want to get a degree or take a class in religion cool beans.  I'll pass on the PowerPoint, thanks, although I'm sure it was interesting.  I'm sure the students thought it was, too, but perhaps not in the way you think.

 

You outdo yourself sometimes.  A class in the Bible and one in the cults...you just made my point.  If all the others are cults so is yours, but you won't see that and that is why religious education doesn't belong in public schools.  

quote:    Originally Posted by Jennifer Bestworking:

Bill, "speaking" for mary?  No bill, I don't hate your god. Your god doesn't exist. And as crusty ask but you will ignore, what else will be taught in school?  Are you willing to bring in the book of mormon, the koran, scientology, wiccan, and all other religions?  Who will teach the bible bill?  What denomination will the "teacher" be?  Will they "teach" in your bible class that the earth is only 6,000 years old while they are being taught in another class that it is indeed millions of years old?  So bill, you that know everything but know nothing at all, tell us how that would work.  Who would pay the teachers bill? Do you expect taxpayers to foot the bill, or will churches finally do what they should have been doing all along and start paying taxes? 


Hi Jennifer,

 

Yes, I am willing to have all those religions taught as a ELECTIVE class.  They could actually do this in one ELECTIVE class -- WORLD AND CULT RELIGIONS.

 

In school the children are required to study English -- but, they can ELECT to also study French, Latin, etc.   There is never a call to offer ALL world languages as ELECTIVES -- only a select few -- the important ones.   So, yes, schools can cover all bases by offering ELECTIVE classes in the Bible and another in the World Religions and CULTS.  This would cover all the other religions. 

 

Actually, most schools do offer a class in World Religions.   I was asked to speak at one of our local colleges in their World Religion class.   I will be happy to share that PowerPoint presentation with you if you like.   It is titled "It All Began With Creation!"  I have other PowerPoint presentations I can also share: "We Believe" -- "End Times - Part 1" -- and, "End Times - Part 2."    I will be happy to share them with anyone who will PM me their e-mail address.

 

You ask who will teach the ELECTIVE class on the Bible.  That could be handled in one of two ways.  Either a Christian teacher could do this.  I know that my senior pastor's wife, who retired a few years ago after teaching in the local public school system for 35 years, would have been very happy to take on that c****.   Or, the schools could allow various local Christian clergy to do it. 

 

You ask which denomination.   Why not allow clergy from all the Christian denominations?  This way, students could get a good overview of them all.  When I was in high school in Sheffield, we had local clergy from Protestant, Roman Catholic, and Jewish churches come to our school each week and speak to the student body.   Guess what?  Not one single complaint from anyone!   Not even we non-Christians complained -- for we enjoyed those assemblies.  I especially enjoyed the Jewish Rabbi.  He told us to just call him Rabbi Rubber Band -- since his name was hard to pronounce and it did rhyme with rubber band.

 

And, Jennifer -- surprise, surprise -- I was not harmed in the slightest by spending one hour a week in the assemblies hearing local clergy speak and hearing prayers.  Honest, not one scar is showing from what you would call this horrible experience.

 

So, yes -- let's have two ELECTIVE classes in our schools: (1) The Bible, and (2) The Cults.

 

Sounds like a win-win situation to me!   But, I will admit that for those who wet their pants every time they hear the name "God' -- may need to bring extra underclothing with them.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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Sounds like a win-win situation to me! But, I will admit that for those who wet their pants every time they hear the name "God' -- may need to bring extra underclothing with them.

 

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And you think that people would want you or anyone like you speaking to their children? The way you "talk" with your statements such as the one above?  And your religion is only important to you and people like you, it is not the most important one to others. Now tell me, who would pay for all this? Who would decide which ones are cults? Again, people like you? No thanks.

And, Jennifer -- surprise, surprise -- I was not harmed in the slightest by spending one hour a week in the assemblies hearing local clergy speak and hearing prayers. Honest, not one scar is showing from what you would call this horrible experience.

 

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Something sure messed up your head.

So, yes -- let's have two ELECTIVE classes in our schools: (1) The Bible, and (2) The Cults.

 


Bill, you did it again!  You made the point that you can't see this as a world religion class.  You see it as another chance to teach kids that your way is right and everyone else is wrong.  No, I don't any of your friends or church members teaching a class on religion in my kids' school since they are there to learn the subjects they need to become educated adults and not indoctrinated and inflexible.  I can teach them world religions  fine at home and at my own church and we do, actually.  There are plenty of religious private schools for parents who want that taught in school, so there is NO need to have it in public schools. and you know it.  It isn't a fear they will learn about the Bible, but it is the knowledge I want them to learn about it a a book, not the only way to think.

 

The cults????  What a joke your idea is.  You want your kids in religion class at school?  You are free to send them to private school.  How about we have some useful elective classes that will actually make economic and educational sense instead of adding religion classes to the schedule if we happen to have some money left over.  Two classes...one your way and the other would be cults... 

As I have pointed out before, Bill Gray would like nothing more than to turn this country into a theocracy. He will deny it every time it is said, but then he post things like he did above and proves I and other here are right. If he had the power he would teach Christianity in our public schools as the only valid religion or belief system. All others would be cults.

 

Those who think like Bill Gray are a danger to our democracy and everything that our country is founded on.

 
Originally Posted by Bill Gray:
Hi Frog,
I was asked to speak at one of our local colleges in their World Religion class.   I will be happy to share that PowerPoint presentation with you if you like.

Bill


Originally Posted by frog:

I'll pass on the PowerPoint, thanks, although I'm sure it was interesting.  I'm sure the students thought it was, too, but perhaps not in the way you think.

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Bill loves to brag about his speeches & his supposed knowledge of the Bible & computers. Usually people that have to brag like he does, doesn't know jack crap & has a low self-esteem problem.

 

James 4:16 says "But now ye rejoice in your boastings: all such rejoicing is evil". If the Bible is to be believed, then Bill Gray is evil.

 

Wouldn't you have loved to hear the conversation of those students after class? 

Originally Posted by CrustyMac:

I wonder if Bill would be okay with teaching the Torah as an elective, then all the others as World and Cult religions. 

 

Bill is clueless at exactly how many people he will offend with his idea, including most Christians.


Well, that plan is as rational as teaching any other religion as elective...lol.

 

Bill is clueless at exactly how many people he will offend with his idea, including most Christians.

 

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Bill doesn't care who he offends with his nutty ideas. What I find funny is his thinking that only his beliefs would be taught, and that school systems would allow the "teachers" to teach that all others are cults.

You ask who will teach the ELECTIVE class on the Bible. That could be handled in one of two ways. Either a Christian teacher could do this. I know that my senior pastor's wife, who retired a few years ago after teaching in the local public school system for 35 years, would have been very happy to take on that c****. Or, the schools could allow various local Christian clergy to do it.

 

You ask which denomination. Why not allow clergy from all the Christian denominations? This way, students could get a good overview of them all.

 

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I notice you posted a christian should teach the class. Sorry bill, you couldn't do that and be fair about it.

 

 

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

You ask who will teach the ELECTIVE class on the Bible. That could be handled in one of two ways. Either a Christian teacher could do this. I know that my senior pastor's wife, who retired a few years ago after teaching in the local public school system for 35 years, would have been very happy to take on that c****. Or, the schools could allow various local Christian clergy to do it.

 

You ask which denomination. Why not allow clergy from all the Christian denominations? This way, students could get a good overview of them all.

 

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I notice you posted a christian should teach the class. Sorry bill, you couldn't do that and be fair about it.

 

 


Thanks for the perspective.  One more time I would say that either these groups are all wrong, lying, really misinformed, or there is not one absolutely correct answer with all the others being wrong.  

Originally Posted by mary haddock:

god tells me to stop,he will bring people to their knees,then they will know that he is who he is. so be it in jesus name, AMEN


Stop what?  I am confused.  Stop posting in this thread?  Stop what?

quote: Originally Posted by Jennifer Bestworking:
quote:  Originally Posted by Bill Gray:
You ask who will teach the ELECTIVE class on the Bible.  That could be handled in one of two ways. Either a Christian teacher could do this.  I know that my senior pastor's wife, who retired a few years ago after teaching in the local public school system for 35 years, would have been very happy to take on that task.  Or, the schools could allow various local Christian clergy to do it.

 

You ask which denomination. Why not allow clergy from all the Christian denominations? This way, students could get a good overview of them all.

I notice you posted a christian should teach the class. Sorry bill, you couldn't do that and be fair about it.

Hi Jennifer,

 

Only a Christian believer could effectively teach an ELECTIVE class on the Bible. 

 

However, if YOU want to teach the ELECTIVE class on world religions and cults, I would have no problem with that. 

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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Only a Christian believer could effectively teach an ELECTIVE class on the Bible.

 

However, if YOU want to teach the ELECTIVE class on world religions and cults, I would have no problem with that.

 

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And that attitude you have is why it will never happen. You ain't topdog and you don't get to call the shots. If I taught about cults, yours would be at the top of the list.

Originally Posted by mary haddock:

god tells me to stop,he will bring people to their knees,then they will know that he is who he is. so be it in jesus name, AMEN

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Whatever He told you to stop, then you better do it & quickly. God can be very vindictive.

Originally Posted by frog:
Originally Posted by mary haddock:

god tells me to stop,he will bring people to their knees,then they will know that he is who he is. so be it in jesus name, AMEN


Stop what?  I am confused.  Stop posting in this thread?  Stop what?

some of you seem to have all the answers. so you don't want to hear the truth. so i'm not going to reply  to these post,i am not going to argue with anyone,as to what i believe.god is the father,jesus is the son of god. now and forever.

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

I wonder too, where did sheffield find a rabbi in the 50's? How far did that guy have to travel?

 

 

I'm no expert on the Jewish religion, but Sheffield was partly founded by a Jewish man. It had many Jewish settlers and a temple. It is possible they shared a rabbi with Florence.

Hi Mary Haddock,

Welcome to the Religion Forum.  Please do not allow the extremely negative atheists and other non-believers to get under your skin.   Keep in mind that they are still walking in spiritual darkness -- and cannot know the joy we have in Jesus Christ.

I just received the following e-mail newsletter from Dr. David Jeremiah:

 

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PUSHED TO THE EDGE
"For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ . . ."  Romans 1:16

 

We've all experienced it:  A clique of "cool kids" at school decides to reduce our significance.  We aren't welcomed or included.  We  may even be called unpleasant names.  In the workplace, a particular employee might not be invited to significant policy meetings or is excluded from social gatherings. This treatment is what the Bible is experiencing today in our culture.  God's Word is being  "marginalized" -- pushed to the edge of our families and even our churches!

The gradual process of marginalization happens so slowly that we almost don't notice societal shifts till after the fact.  We wake up one day and the Bible has moved from a central position of education and authority to a shelf next to books by leading atheists, trivializing its content and intimidating its readers.

You and I can't control how others view or treat the Bible.  But there's one place we can stop its marginalization: our own lives.  When we do that, the Bible will gain new traction in our homes, churches, and communities.  Don't miss the significance of living in this particular moment of history.  Nothing could be more dangerous than to wander thoughtlessly down the path of marginalizing the Bible.

 

"Men do not reject the Bible because it contradicts itself  -- but because it contradicts them." 

Author Unknown
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I just want to share this with you.  Mary, please do not allow the naysayers to discourage you.  Just remember that we walk in the Light and must help those who still walk in spiritual darkness -- even when they call us names.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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some of you seem to have all the answers. so you don't want to hear the truth. so i'm not going to reply to these post,i am not going to argue with anyone,as to what i believe.god is the father,jesus is the son of god. now and forever.

 

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Well mary it seems you think you have all the answers seeing as how you think you're posting the "truth".

Welcome to the Religion Forum. Please do not allow the extremely negative atheists and other non-believers to get under your skin. Keep in mind that they are still walking in spiritual darkness -- and cannot know the joy we have in Jesus Christ.

 

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What negativity bill? What "spiritual" darkness? You sure don't seem joyful. You can't even answer simple questions.

I'm no expert on the Jewish religion, but Sheffield was partly founded by a Jewish man. It had many Jewish settlers and a temple. It is possible they shared a rabbi with Florence.

 

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Anything is possible but I still think it's very doubtful the highschool would bring in any other religious "speaker" besides your good old fashioned baptist preachers. This was the early 50s in sheffield alabama.

Originally Posted by mary haddock:
Originally Posted by frog:
Originally Posted by mary haddock:

god tells me to stop,he will bring people to their knees,then they will know that he is who he is. so be it in jesus name, AMEN


Stop what?  I am confused.  Stop posting in this thread?  Stop what?

some of you seem to have all the answers. so you don't want to hear the truth. so i'm not going to reply  to these post,i am not going to argue with anyone,as to what i believe.god is the father,jesus is the son of god. now and forever.


I personally don't have all the answers and I respect that you believe in God.  No, just as no one will convince you there is no God as you couldn't convince people there is one, and there is no point in us all trying to change others' views.  But really it is possible to discuss our views and not argue...if you have found what/who is your belief system then I am happy for you and wish you peace with it

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Hi Mary Haddock,

Welcome to the Religion Forum.  Please do not allow the extremely negative atheists and other non-believers to get under your skin.   Keep in mind that they are still walking in spiritual darkness -- and cannot know the joy we have in Jesus Christ.

I just received the following e-mail newsletter from Dr. David Jeremiah:

 

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++
PUSHED TO THE EDGE
"For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ . . ."  Romans 1:16

 

We've all experienced it:  A clique of "cool kids" at school decides to reduce our significance.  We aren't welcomed or included.  We  may even be called unpleasant names.  In the workplace, a particular employee might not be invited to significant policy meetings or is excluded from social gatherings. This treatment is what the Bible is experiencing today in our culture.  God's Word is being  "marginalized" -- pushed to the edge of our families and even our churches!

The gradual process of marginalization happens so slowly that we almost don't notice societal shifts till after the fact.  We wake up one day and the Bible has moved from a central position of education and authority to a shelf next to books by leading atheists, trivializing its content and intimidating its readers.

You and I can't control how others view or treat the Bible.  But there's one place we can stop its marginalization: our own lives.  When we do that, the Bible will gain new traction in our homes, churches, and communities.  Don't miss the significance of living in this particular moment of history.  Nothing could be more dangerous than to wander thoughtlessly down the path of marginalizing the Bible.

 

"Men do not reject the Bible because it contradicts itself  -- but because it contradicts them." 

Author Unknown
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++

I just want to share this with you.  Mary, please do not allow the naysayers to discourage you.  Just remember that we walk in the Light and must help those who still walk in spiritual darkness -- even when they call us names.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Bill, if a Christian is excluded it isn't going to be because of his Christianity.  It will be because of his behavior.  If you ever lived in this area you will know that the opposite is true here.  If you aren't Christian it is likely you will be treated differently than if you are.

 

I know it helps you feel better about yourself, but the assumption that everyone except those who think as you do are in spiritual darkness is pretty arrogant.  

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

I'm no expert on the Jewish religion, but Sheffield was partly founded by a Jewish man. It had many Jewish settlers and a temple. It is possible they shared a rabbi with Florence.

 

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Anything is possible but I still think it's very doubtful the highschool would bring in any other religious "speaker" besides your good old fashioned baptist preachers. This was the early 50s in sheffield alabama.


I would say that would still be pretty doubtful, actually.

Originally Posted by SeniorCoffee:
Such a shame she is so delusional. She is another one needing professional help. She really does just need to stop putting her "faith" into something so silly, if for no other reason than it seems to be driving her over the edge.

Well, it isn't any different to call her faith silly than it is for Bill or others to call not believing silly I would say.  Now Perry's wife's behavior is silly in that she doesn't get that they aren't treated the way they are because they believe in God, but because of the way they act.  All the presidents I know of have believed in God, so that isn't a big deal.  It's how they behave about their beliefs that gets them treated how they have been and the victim mentality about the consequences of their behavior.  

 

If a person ran on a platform of forcing all religious people to stop attending church the person would be attacked and rightfully so, just as the idea of forcing the Christian beliefs upon everyone gets attacked.  She did seem pretty upset for so early in a campaign, and that isn't a good sign.

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