Well frog, one thing I "don't get" about democrats is their ability to overlook the religious aspects in their own party while using the "religious right" aspect of the republican party to attack all of us. Jimmy carter is "bill gray" religious, just "eat up with it", but for some reason not a peep about that and still to this day he drags his wrinkled old **** around campaigning for the democrats. Look  at the church where obama sat his butt for 20 years and would still be sitting if he hadn't run for president. Democrats know very well how to use religion and they do it just as much. They will use things like this against perry, and by the way they attack the lds now we can just imagine the "firestorm" we'll see if romney is the candidate.

Best, I seriously don't care if a candidate is a believer or not. As frog said it how they bring it into their leadership or say that others should be like them that throws up red flags for me. Take Huckabee, not long ago he said that every American should read what David Barton wrote, even if it took holding a gun on them to make them. Perry is completely in bed with this 7 mountains Dominionism movement. When I hear a candidate (regardless of party) say the things that Bachmann and Perry say, I am sure to oppose them as president.  I am not for Romney because of his stance on DOMA and evolution. He has changed his stance on both of those things and if he had not started talking like a religious nut about those issues I might have considered him a good candidate. Has nothing to do with what religion he practices in his private life.

 

As for Jimmy Carter, he is a very good man that does a lot of good for humanity. He sucked as president, but he is still respected as a kind and fair human being. Once again I don't care what his religious beliefs are he never tried to or trys to force it on others, nor does he believe in governing based on that belief. Regardless, he is not in the running for president or any other political office that I know of.

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Hi Mary Haddock,
Welcome to the Religion Forum.  Please do not allow the extremely negative atheists and other non-believers to get under your skin.   Keep in mind that they are still walking in spiritual darkness -- and cannot know the joy we have in Jesus Christ.
Mary, please do not allow the naysayers to discourage you.  Just remember that we walk in the Light and must help those who still walk in spiritual darkness -- even when they call us names.
Bill

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Yeah, Mary. Try not to let the extremely negative, hat wearer Bill Gray get to you. Keep in mind that his is a religion of Hell & d a mnation. No room for love/compassion/ kindness in this "Christian".

Please do not let his kind of Christianity discourage you. I think he actually doesn't know he's walking in spiritual darkness. Be sure to pay attention when he makes fun of others & uses his stupid cartoons to call us names, & put others down.

Is huckabee running? I'd say he has as much of a right to his religious opinion as does carter. But that's neither here nor there as far as I'm concerned. Perry isn't my candidate, can't say that enough, and after all is said and done in the religious area of politics I still say both sides use religion. I know there is no way to have a candidate without the spectre of religion hanging over them. I accept that because right now that is how politics work.  I look for the candidate that I most agree with on issues not related to religion, and if I can't agree with a candidate on those issues I will just pass on voting.  And to the people that say "if you don't vote you can't complain" I say BS. I have every right to complain if I don't feel we had a candidate that I felt comfortable voting for, or if I don't like the one in office even if I didn't "vote against" them.

David Barton is a pseudo historian, who has made it his life's work to re-write history to say that this country was founded on and meant to be a Christian nation. I have seen the video. Both versions, the one where they edited out Huckabee's "joke" and the one without the edit. Didn't seem like he meant it to be a joke even though a few in the audience did giggle. They then applauded him for his statement that Barton should be be broadcast to the whole nation and they should all listen. Check it out here:

 

http://www.opednews.com/articl...odda-110330-577.html

 

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

I look for the candidate that I most agree with on issues

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Me too. I don't care if he believes in God or not. Hopefully, someone this time will get in there & do what he says he's going to. It's not as if he can pray that God will fix our country & God will do it. Religion is brought into it because it's all about getting those Christian votes.

I think Mrs. Perry just wants to live in the White House.

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

Well frog, one thing I "don't get" about democrats is their ability to overlook the religious aspects in their own party while using the "religious right" aspect of the republican party to attack all of us. Jimmy carter is "bill gray" religious, just "eat up with it", but for some reason not a peep about that and still to this day he drags his wrinkled old **** around campaigning for the democrats. Look  at the church where obama sat his butt for 20 years and would still be sitting if he hadn't run for president. Democrats know very well how to use religion and they do it just as much. They will use things like this against perry, and by the way they attack the lds now we can just imagine the "firestorm" we'll see if romney is the candidate.


I wouldn't expect someone to not have beliefs, and I didn't see Carter trying to force his beliefs on everyone or trying to change laws or run a religious agenda...maybe I missed something.  I liked Carter and still do, and when he talked about his faith in interviews he didn't come across to me as trying to mold America after his religious beliefs.  I enjoy being around people of any faith who just live their faith and are kind and compassionate people.  Why shouldn't Democrats have faith as well?  It tends to be a more personal and less "I know the right way and am an amazing Christian who knows how you should live and shall make sure you do as I think you should" generally, but of course there are exceptions.  When we make these generalizations it all leads to others jumping the exceptions though, and that applies to anyone in a conversation I think.

 

I think the problem with making judgments publicly about everyone else is that if the person makes a mistake himself there will of course be more public comments and it is seen as hypocritical.  I don't think Democrats said it isn't good to have faith or beliefs, but I guess for me the difference is I never got at a podium and called out others for "sinning" and if I "sin" it is my own business.  Just in general, but it is a trend I have seen

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
Originally Posted by Bestworking:

I look for the candidate that I most agree with on issues

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Me too. I don't care if he believes in God or not. Hopefully, someone this time will get in there & do what he says he's going to. It's not as if he can pray that God will fix our country & God will do it. Religion is brought into it because it's all about getting those Christian votes.

I think Mrs. Perry just wants to live in the White House.


Whenever I see Perry speak I just see a preacher preaching and not a future president.  I think it relates to using the office to get the religious views in to get the power to get more religious views in to have more power...lol.  Kind of a vicious..and dangerous cycle is the feeling I get from him.

 

And yes, as long as a candidate isn't saying or acting as if he plans to turn the country into a nice big church of his choosing I go for his/her stands on issues.

Originally Posted by DarkAngel:

David Barton is a pseudo historian, who has made it his life's work to re-write history to say that this country was founded on and meant to be a Christian nation. I have seen the video. Both versions, the one where they edited out Huckabee's "joke" and the one without the edit. Didn't seem like he meant it to be a joke even though a few in the audience did giggle. They then applauded him for his statement that Barton should be be broadcast to the whole nation and they should all listen. Check it out here:

 

http://www.opednews.com/articl...odda-110330-577.html

 


Scary stuff because some will believe...sigh.

Originally Posted by DarkAngel:
I have seen the video. Both versions, the one where they edited out Huckabee's "joke" and the one without the edit. Didn't seem like he meant it to be a joke even though a few in the audience did giggle.

 

 

 

 

I have already seen it.  You didn't see a joke just like you didn't see in the other article you posted a few days ago the author said  Bush wanted a theocracy.

 

Right here:

conservative columnist Ross Douthat wrote, “the fear of theocracy has become a defining panic of the Bush era.”

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So when you read that statement you comprehend it saying that Bush tried to establish a theocracy?

 

 

 

 

(BTW, I hate the formatting of this place-ARRRGGGG)

I agree on the formatting, b.  It is just awful.

 

I just thought I would clarify that I would definitely vote for an atheist for President (or anything else) if the candidate's platform was agreeable to me.  But if that person ran on or acted as if abolishing religion or forbidding people to go to church was part of the plan, then I wouldn't vote for the candidate.  No one should be trampling on the right to worship or not worship and church and state should be separate in my personal view.

Originally Posted by frog:

"I know the right way and am an amazing Christian who knows how you should live and shall make sure you do as I think you should"

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Originally Posted by frog:

Whenever I see Perry speak I just see a preacher preaching and not a future president.  

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Hey, you just described Bill Gray!

 

That's weird that you mentioned that about Perry. We were watching him a few days ago & I remarked to my husband that he sounded more like a preacher than a presidential candidate. He looks the part of a preacher too. 

quote:   Originally Posted by Infomercial:
quote: Originally Posted by Jennifer Bestworking:

I wonder too, where did sheffield find a rabbi in the 50's? How far did that guy have to travel?

I'm no expert on the Jewish religion, but Sheffield was partly founded by a Jewish man. It had many Jewish settlers and a temple. It is possible they shared a rabbi with Florence.

Hi Info,

 

I am not sure where Rabbi Rubber Band's church, or temple, was located.  But, I know that he was a regular speaker at Sheffield High's weekly assemblies.  And, all the students, even we who were not believers, really enjoyed him.

 

And, of course, the Roman Catholic church was just down the street; so the priest did not have to travel far.

 

And, as some have mentioned -- being a Southern city, Sheffield had several Protestant clergy around -- even a few Baptists!

 

Jennifer, you ask, "I wonder too, where did Sheffield find a Rabbi in the 50's?  How far did that guy have to travel?"

 

My Friend, I realize that "way back in the 1950s" was long before you were born -- but, you might ask your parents or grandparents.  I am sure they will remember Rabbi Rubber Band.

 

And, for we "old timers" -- Sheffield had a store on Montgomery Avenue, in the heart of town, named Busy Bee.   It was owned and operated by a Jewish family.  Jennifer, there were Jewish families in Sheffield and the rest of the Shoals area -- way back then.  Maybe our schools should do a better job of teaching relatively recent history to you young folks.

 

Just curious, Jennifer, do you remember when the TriCities (that was the old timer's name for Sheffield, Tuscumbia, and Florence) -- had only three high schools:  Sheffield High, Deshler, and Coffee.  Those were the days, my Friend.  Competition was fierce in our sports. 

 

No, it was only football, baseball, basketball, and track.  No horse racing, fishing contests, or hay bailing contests.   But, as I said, Jennifer, ask your parents or grandparents.  I am sure they will remember the good old days -- when Rabbi Rubber Band came to speak to us.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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I wouldn't want my child to be around a Preacher/rabbi called rubber band. That is just too scary! 

 

Oh, BTW, Bill. This area, Muscle Shoals, Tuscumbia, Sheffield, & Florence is still referred to as the Tri-Cities. Competition is still fierce in our sports. You haven't lived in this area for years & know nothing about it. 

 

Oh, BTW, Bill. This area, Muscle Shoals, Tuscumbia, Sheffield, & Florence is still referred to as the Tri-Cities. Competition is still fierce in our sports. You haven't lived in this area for years & know nothing about it.

 

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Florence Times Tri-Cities Daily.

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:

 

 

Oh, BTW, Bill. This area, Muscle Shoals, Tuscumbia, Sheffield, & Florence is still referred to as the Tri-Cities.

 

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Which pretty much explains the fundamental problem with trying to introduce any subjects beyond the basics.  It's just too much for these people to handle.

Originally Posted by frog:
Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Hi Mary Haddock,

Welcome to the Religion Forum.  Please do not allow the extremely negative atheists and other non-believers to get under your skin.   Keep in mind that they are still walking in spiritual darkness -- and cannot know the joy we have in Jesus Christ.

I just received the following e-mail newsletter from Dr. David Jeremiah:

 

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PUSHED TO THE EDGE
"For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ . . ."  Romans 1:16

 

We've all experienced it:  A clique of "cool kids" at school decides to reduce our significance.  We aren't welcomed or included.  We  may even be called unpleasant names.  In the workplace, a particular employee might not be invited to significant policy meetings or is excluded from social gatherings. This treatment is what the Bible is experiencing today in our culture.  God's Word is being  "marginalized" -- pushed to the edge of our families and even our churches!

The gradual process of marginalization happens so slowly that we almost don't notice societal shifts till after the fact.  We wake up one day and the Bible has moved from a central position of education and authority to a shelf next to books by leading atheists, trivializing its content and intimidating its readers.

You and I can't control how others view or treat the Bible.  But there's one place we can stop its marginalization: our own lives.  When we do that, the Bible will gain new traction in our homes, churches, and communities.  Don't miss the significance of living in this particular moment of history.  Nothing could be more dangerous than to wander thoughtlessly down the path of marginalizing the Bible.

 

"Men do not reject the Bible because it contradicts itself  -- but because it contradicts them." 

Author Unknown
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I just want to share this with you.  Mary, please do not allow the naysayers to discourage you.  Just remember that we walk in the Light and must help those who still walk in spiritual darkness -- even when they call us names.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Bill, if a Christian is excluded it isn't going to be because of his Christianity.  It will be because of his behavior.  If you ever lived in this area you will know that the opposite is true here.  If you aren't Christian it is likely you will be treated differently than if you are.

 

I know it helps you feel better about yourself, but the assumption that everyone except those who think as you do are in spiritual darkness is pretty arrogant.  

no one will ever discourage me bill,i know what i know and what i believe,and noone can take that from me,i will pray for all the people that don't believe,i'm sure they believe in something,like i said every knee will bow down to the lord jesus christ,i think we hit some nerves,if they don't believe why ask for proof.i had rather believe than  loose all hope on heaven.

 

If you want to "get" Bill, just report him to the Disney Company for copyright violation. They take theft of their property very seriously. I would be willing to bet that he doesn't have permission to use their images. If he doesn't, he is asking for a visit from the FBI. Or, at the very least, a letter from a Disney lawyer.
Originally Posted by JimiHendrix:
If you want to "get" Bill, just report him to the Disney Company for copyright violation. They take theft of their property very seriously. I would be willing to bet that he doesn't have permission to use their images. If he doesn't, he is asking for a visit from the FBI. Or, at the very least, a letter from a Disney lawyer.

Thank you Deputy Dawg...............fairy land will sleep better tonight.

 

Originally Posted by frog:
Originally Posted by DarkAngel:

David Barton is a pseudo historian, who has made it his life's work to re-write history to say that this country was founded on and meant to be a Christian nation. I have seen the video. Both versions, the one where they edited out Huckabee's "joke" and the one without the edit. Didn't seem like he meant it to be a joke even though a few in the audience did giggle. They then applauded him for his statement that Barton should be be broadcast to the whole nation and they should all listen. Check it out here:

 

http://www.opednews.com/articl...odda-110330-577.html

 


Scary stuff because some will believe...sigh.

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The deplorable David Barton was featured on the equally deplorable American Family Association's radio network for about two hours on this past Tuesday.   As anticipated, he spouted off his array of anecdotal incidents and quotations that, in his warped view of things, allegedly establishing that the U.S. is a "Christian nation" and that the concept of separation of church and state has been warped and diluted beyond what the founders and framers intended.  Huckabee's ringing endorsement of this lying little, self-aggrandizing weasel makes me want to barf.  Huckabee's manipulation to remove his own scandalous and intemperate remarks from the video makes we want to dry heave, having barfed all that was barfable in response to Barton's BS.  These theocrats are UN-American and UN-patriotic and any thinking American should repudiate them!

Originally Posted by mary haddock:
i think we hit some nerves,if they don't believe why ask for proof.

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Didn't hit a nerve with me at all. The only nerve you or Bill hit with me is when you put on your hat & presume to tell me how I should live & how/what I should believe.

So if someone doesn't believe, they're not allowed to ask for proof? Isn't that how people learn, by searching or asking questions? Could be some people ask for proof to try & understand how/why people believe in the first place.

Originally Posted by JimiHendrix:
Invictus, you reply about fairy land was unnecessary. We have already established that you are an anarchist, who has no respect for the law.

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That was 4 or 5 days ago there quick draw mcgraw, don't worry, I'm not

going to hurt any of your fairy land buddies, unless they skip a payment.

 

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

It came to mind when I was posting how every christian claims to talk to god and he talks to them, but like I keep saying, now all of a sudden the democrats figure they can use that against republicans. Another one I remember is:

 

Have a little talk with Jesus
Tell God about your troubles
He'll hear the faintest cry
And answer bye and bye
Feel the prayer wheel turning
Know that the fire's burning
Just a talk with Jesus makes it all right

Bestworking,

I believe the person who wrote that hymn had a truly close relationship with God which is what inspired them to write it. I appreciate you sharing it. Here is one that I was inspired to write after my life was changed through faith.

 

When I was lost adrift on life's sea

The prince of the air had a storm around me

I couldn't find my way no matter where I turned

so I turned to Gods word the place where I learned

To get down on my knees and give God control

He filled my sails with His breeze and He delivered my soul

He took me out of the storm into the light

He took away all the wrong and made everything alright

Now my life's changed direction one hundred and eighty degrees

I'm sailing to perfection on eternitys sea

Where the waters are calm and His Son's shinning bright

I know I'll stay my course because Heaven's insight 

 

May God bless you!

Originally Posted by Gingee:
Originally Posted by Bestworking:

It came to mind when I was posting how every christian claims to talk to god and he talks to them, but like I keep saying, now all of a sudden the democrats figure they can use that against republicans. Another one I remember is:

 

Have a little talk with Jesus
Tell God about your troubles
He'll hear the faintest cry
And answer bye and bye
Feel the prayer wheel turning
Know that the fire's burning
Just a talk with Jesus makes it all right

Bestworking,

I believe the person who wrote that hymn had a truly close relationship with God which is what inspired them to write it. I appreciate you sharing it. Here is one that I was inspired to write after my life was changed through faith.

 

When I was lost adrift on life's sea

The prince of the air had a storm around me

I couldn't find my way no matter where I turned

so I turned to Gods word the place where I learned

To get down on my knees and give God control

He filled my sails with His breeze and He delivered my soul

He took me out of the storm into the light

He took away all the wrong and made everything alright

Now my life's changed direction one hundred and eighty degrees

I'm sailing to perfection on eternitys sea

Where the waters are calm and His Son's shinning bright

I know I'll stay my course because Heaven's insight 

 

May God bless you!

There is true happiness in delusion. ©

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